[VicAjax]

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Originally Posted by Samgotit /img/forum/go_quote.gif You forgot those pesky laws, Vic, like a person in uniform straight line motion will remain in uniform straight line motion, unless you can kick them as they go by. Also, there's the smell of cadaverine and putrescine.

laws are still there to support theories. Gravity for instance, is a theory upheld by a set of laws.

theories and laws are similar in that they make predictions that must be upheld (or falsified) by observation. however, a theory is "larger" than a law.

 

[SR-71Panorama]

If there is intelligent life out there, I say come on down! We could sure as hell use some here on Earth.

 

[Rav]

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Originally Posted by VicAjax /img/forum/go_quote.gif i'm skeptical about this. can you be more specific about the example?

Don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but did you ever hear about the theory of climate change?

 

[oicdn]

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Originally Posted by saint.panda /img/forum/go_quote.gif I just find it immensely discriminating that pretty much all UFO sightings are in the US.

Well, we are the most "advanced" or "powerful" country in the world. If you were observing a culture or species, would you observe the mediocre, or would you want to see the best of what that species or culture has to offer?

I understand what you're saying though

 

[slowpogo]

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Originally Posted by Rav /img/forum/go_quote.gif Don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but did you ever hear about the theory of climate change?

So why are the ice caps shrinking and ocean levels rising, and the CO2 levels going through the roof? These are all quantifiable observations.

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Originally Posted by oicdn /img/forum/go_quote.gif Well, we are the most "advanced" or "powerful" country in the world. If you were observing a culture or species, would you observe the mediocre, or would you want to see the best of what that species or culture has to offer?

I'm American, yet I disavow that remark. Technologically, Japan has us beat and always will, probably. There are other democracies with far lower crime and unemployment, and much better health care. The only way in which we are really superior is our military.

I like my country and am glad to live here (for now) but I would never call us "the most advanced" by any stretch of the imagination. There are plenty of problems here.

I liked this thread better when it was about UFO's (directly).

 

[VicAjax]

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Originally Posted by Rav /img/forum/go_quote.gif Don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but did you ever hear about the theory of climate change?

there is only a political argument about climate change. in the scientific community there is, in fact, consensus that global warming is real and that humans are having an impact. there are still debates over reversibility and impact.

 

[Rav]

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Originally Posted by slowpogo /img/forum/go_quote.gif So why are the ice caps shrinking and ocean levels rising, and the CO2 levels going through the roof? These are all quantifiable observations.

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Originally Posted by VicAjax /img/forum/go_quote.gif there is only a political argument about climate change. in the scientific community there is, in fact, consensus that global warming is real and that humans are having an impact. there are still debates over reversibility and impact.

Like i said, i don't want to turn this into a political discussion (despite the fact that i think climate change is/should be a scientific concern) so i'll just point you here:

Science and Public Policy Institute - “Consensus”? What “Consensus”?Among Climate Scientists, The Debate Is Not Over

 

[VicAjax]

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Originally Posted by Rav /img/forum/go_quote.gif Like i said, i don't want to turn this into a political discussion (despite the fact that i think climate change is/should be a scientific concern) so i'll just point you here: Science and Public Policy Institute - “Consensus”? What “Consensus”?Among Climate Scientists, The Debate Is Not Over

if you think it should be a scientific concern and not political, why are you linking to a website funded by Exxon and run by a former Republican operative?

 

[Rav]

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Originally Posted by VicAjax /img/forum/go_quote.gif if you think it should be a scientific concern and not political, why are you linking to a website funded by Exxon and run by a former Republican operative?

That automatically discounts the source?

 

[slowpogo]

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Originally Posted by Rav /img/forum/go_quote.gif That automatically discounts the source?

Well, would they say anything else? "Yes, global warming is real; we must increase auto efficiency, search for alternative fuel sources, and above all, buy less of our product (oil)." It's in Exxon's best interest to oppose the theory--that's just ridiculously obvious.

Republicans also have a history of opposing initiatives to stop global warming. Why might this be? For one, they have clear, widespread ties to the oil industry; they practically share the same pair of pants.

It's like showing us a study that concludes murder is actually morally correct, funded by a bunch of death row inmates.

Show us a non-concensus study not linked to entities whose best interest lies in discrediting global warming theory, then I'll listen.

 

[VicAjax]

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Originally Posted by Rav /img/forum/go_quote.gif That automatically discounts the source?

considering no one involved in that site is a scientist, yes.

 

[Rav]

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Originally Posted by VicAjax /img/forum/go_quote.gif considering no one involved in that site is a scientist, yes.

I'd laugh if i didn't think you were serious, so instead i'll just walk away shaking my head.

 

[VicAjax]

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Originally Posted by Rav /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'd laugh if i didn't think you were serious, so instead i'll just walk away shaking my head.

with all due respect, Christopher Monckton is not a climatologist, meteorologist, geologist or, in fact, any ologist of any sort. he's a former policy advisor for Margaret Thatcher and some sort of Viscount.

his boss is Robert Ferguson, a former Republican congressional advisor.

the page you link to is a poor, rambling attempt by Monckton to discredit an article from Science by an actual scientist who reviewed nearly 1,000 randomly selected papers on climate change.

you walk away shaking your head only because you've no reasonable response.

 

[Rav]

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Originally Posted by VicAjax /img/forum/go_quote.gif with all due respect, Christopher Monckton is not a climatologist, meteorologist, geologist or, in fact, any ologist of any sort. he's a former policy advisor for Margaret Thatcher and some sort of Viscount. his boss is Robert Ferguson, a former Republican congressional advisor. the page you link to is a poor, rambling attempt by Monckton to discredit an article from Science by an actual scientist who reviewed nearly 1,000 randomly selected papers on climate change. you walk away shaking your head only because you've no reasonable response.

Yeah, whatever.




Getting back on topic

 

[Marados]

Even if you are to pick a single paper which suggests otherwise, a meta-analysis shows that the general consensus is most definitely in favour of the theory of climate change.