[Indigo Bob]

  I agree
 
I agree we can cut slack and we have been very patient, howwever business is still business and deadlines are reality for all engineers and businessmen.  It's not too much to ask for what was promised.

 
That may be, but let's be honest.  That's just impatience talkin' and it's not like your gonna find a better deal.

 

[barondla]

The Phantom series is supposed to be the best Trinity can do. The best can't and shouldn't be rushed. Trinity wants these to be in the line up a few years. They have to be dialed in great to do that. Go Bob, you can do it. Don't release them until you are happy. Not like most of us are lacking earphones.

 

[linux4ever]

I'm not asking for the product, but for updates only
 
Over the past 2 weeks the updates have been very few. It would be helpful just to keep the updates coming on a regular basis as to what's happening. I'm okay with the delay of the final finished product. We the buyers benefit from a better and a quality product. But need regular updates which has been sorely lacking recently.

 

[pedronet]

I understand all of the wanting for updates but i completely agree that we cannot rush things nor Bob. Development takes time whether we like it or not. I really understand that you wanna see some results even if they're little but sometimes it is impossible.
 
All i can say, from personal experience, is that Bob won't let you down. His products are worth the wait. If some of you have already some trinity products think what they would be if they were rushed at their development stage. Not that good is what i imagine because trinity has a special kind of attention to the details imo. The filters available in 2 lengths are a perfect example.
 
If the master 4 are getting filters like the deltas, that's a huge improvement because besides the bass you can also adjust the treble, and to my eyes that's a huge plus. 

 A little wait for this feature is more than worth it isn't it? Just a thought.

 

[pedronet]

  I'm not asking for the product, but for updates only
 
Over the past 2 weeks the updates have been very few. It would be helpful just to keep the updates coming on a regular basis as to what's happening. I'm okay with the delay of the final finished product. We the buyers benefit from a better and a quality product. But need regular updates which has been sorely lacking recently.

I see what you're saying. I can't argue with that but Bob has been busy for a good cause and he usually answers all the questions even when he's busy so if he's not posting much maybe it's because he really can't.

 

[nealh]

Here's my two cents. Bob and Trinity audio Are doing done something that very few companies ever do. They involve their customer in the most intimate way. We are very lucky and fortunate that he has taken this approach.

However, by doing so he is putting himself out on a limb. He is trying to promise us the best products at the best price and in the fastest way possible. But by involving, the community into the product development and obtaining it's feedback with an open mind that will benefit the product and improve the sound quality he has put himself in a difficult position. He has to go back reassess and revise to utilize this feedback and unfortunately that affects the timeline and release dates in a way that is not so predictable.

He could like nearly 100% other companies ignore this information and just put out the product that he thinks is OK. This works for many companies but how often does that leave the consumer wanting something more.

I understand the desire for updates and information. I am as anxious as everyone else but I have come to realize this is what makes Bob and Trinity audio such a gem. But by involving the community this has created some unexpected issues.

As impatient as I am I now realize it is so much more important to get what I really want and I really believe that Bob will deliver this.

So in my case, I have just accepted the fact that I have to bite my tongue and put my selfish desire and impatience aside. I would prefer to wait an extra month or two to get a product that I will be happy with and enjoy potentially for years. Under those conditions what does a short delay matter.

I understand it's difficult for companies to do this but we have one that is willing to do it and we should embrace that.

How often do companies delay their products and overpromise leaving us so disappointed. We spend our hard earned money and don't end up with the best product available because they over promised and under delivered.

The thought that I can get a product at a fantastic price with excellent quality and a fantastic sound signature with the ability to customize it to my liking, was something I didn't even think was possible.

In all of this Bob tries his best to answer questions provide information and details while he's actively developing a product. I am sure he would love to deliver the product tomorrow to all of us with all of these features but it's just not possible.

Patients is the hardest part because of how much we desire what he is developing.

Bob take your time and provide the best product that makes you content because in the long term we will all appreciate it a thousand percent and the small delays will be forgotten very quickly.

 

[Xamdou]

Delay = more time to save money = more money to spend on audio stuff = no more money
The endless loop 

 
Don't really mind minor delays too myself since I backed some kickstarter project which have yet to deliver for almost half a year till now

 

[garcsa]

  All this is fine. It would be nice if @Bobtrinity can post some updates now and then. I can understand it being hectic and busy, but it is a good practice to have regular updates. Not seen any lately but speculations from head-fi members.

+1 
Just one questio? will the M4 more v-shaped or more neutral (Atlas vs. Delta both with some neutral filter)?

 

[myemaildw]

you bought a product that not only not in stock but also not built yet. thats probably why i didnt buy it.

 

[glassmonkey]

 

  All this is fine. It would be nice if @Bobtrinity can post some updates now and then. I can understand it being hectic and busy, but it is a good practice to have regular updates. Not seen any lately but speculations from head-fi members.

I agree
 
I agree we can cut slack and we have been very patient, however business is still business and deadlines are reality for all engineers and businessmen.  It's not too much to ask for what was promised.

What exactly has been promised with regards to the the Phantom series? The Sabre is the only one that has gone on pre-order and been late. Any other delays have nothing to do with promises. Bob said he wanted to launch the Kickstarter in late March/early April, that is not a promise. That is expressing a wish.
 
While I'd like to be updated, Bob doesn't have a big crew, and his HeadFi presence is already admirable. Most product developers don't work with the community like he does. We should be saluting him for involving us, not denigrating him for imaginary promises.

 

[sososerious]

you bought a product that not only not in stock but also not built yet. thats probably why i didnt buy it.

In Bob we trust, our loyalty rewarded with massive discounts for top quality products.

Each to their own I guess!

 

[myemaildw]

anyone has hyperion to sell?

 

[peter123]

  I'm not asking for the product, but for updates only
 
Over the past 2 weeks the updates have been very few. It would be helpful just to keep the updates coming on a regular basis as to what's happening. I'm okay with the delay of the final finished product. We the buyers benefit from a better and a quality product. But need regular updates which has been sorely lacking recently.

 
What would you prefer?
 
1. That Bob works as hard as possible to finish the product(s)
 
2. That Bob spend his time here giving information that surely will give more questions forcing him to spend even more time here

 

[myemaildw]

i prefer bob selling hyperion

 

[Jackpot77]

What would you prefer?

1. That Bob works as hard as possible to finish the product(s)

2. That Bob spend his time here giving information that surely will give more questions forcing him to spend even more time here

Excellent points. At last count, Bob and his team are finishing/launching the following:

Phantom Sabre (shipping)
Vyrus (reworking prior to shipping)
Master 4 (preorder)
Master 6 (reworking prior to KS launch)
Phantom Air (KS launch)
Phantom Hunter (launching)

Along with the Bluetoith cables from the Atlas project.

The fact that Bobtrinity finds time to get on here at all is a miracle at the moment. Have a bit of patience and we will hopefully all be rewarded with some truly excellent audio gear!