Trinity Audio Engineering - What the future holds

[mayank11280]

  Hello All, Is there any news regarding Trinity - Delta Hybrid when will be shipped. I`m asking because I check Trinity site every 2,3 days and stay on PREPARING FOR DISPATCH from quite long time. I know that was pre-order and because of that there was big discount but man I placed this order 08.12.2016 and to be honest my patience is almost over. I don`t wanna be rude or something like that but I`m a lil bit disappointed from all this waiting. 

Bob did tell they are shipping all the items and since they have more than 5000 items it is going to take some time to ship them all. All the shipments should be sent by 24th/25th March.
There is an update on the website regarding it as well.

 

[loopman]

Thank you mayank11280 I hope that at least for Easter they will come. Fingers crossed.

 

[Alex3221]

Hi guys,
I totally understand that asking this before anyone has heard it may not bring and ultimate answer but I'll try anyway (and at least it will be a different question than "when will it ship" ).
I've been using Vsonic GR07 for some time and as the fixed cable is going to give way soon and the price for repair does not seem reasonable, I am looking for a replacement. Going through forums, I came across Trinity offering good looking phones for good prices (particularly the pre-sales) and my question is: Is it a good idea to buy Icarus III (or maybe Master) as a replacement for GR07? I don't have much experience with phones, I bought GR07 wanting to have something better than PortaPro. That got me to a completely new level of quality but I have never tried anything else. I also don't need to have a number of phones at the same time. One is enough for me.
I listen mainly to classical music, opera, acappella vocal music or acoustic guitar stuff. Would Icarus III be good for this? I understand that no one can really say but at least you have experience with some of the Trinity phones and can maybe compare to GR07. I admit that I have no idea if we are talking about a similar quality level or if either Trinity or Vsonic are completely a different level, impossible to compare.

Thanks a lot for any suggestions.

I have vivo xe800 (is supposed to sound pretty similar to the gr07) and PM4 (Master is supposed to be a PM4's upgrade).
PM4 clearly is far way better on all frequencies. Vocals on PM4 are better, specially the male vocals. soundstage on xe800 is a little bit more wider but PM4 has a better depth.
I think Master will be better for sure. I hope it helps you.

P.S: I'm use to listen symphonies, orchestas and instrumental music; and PM4 sounds pretty cool.

 

[C97DDR]

The future has these.

Updated AD....


https://trinity-audio-engineering.myshopify.com/collections/original-series/products/trinity-atlas-v-ii-hybrid-in-ear-monitor

Not a big fan of the design. But looking forward to have them in my hands and give them a listen.

 

[On The And Of 1]

Not a big fan of the design. But looking forward to have them in my hands and give them a listen.

The initial design looked very similar to the original Atlas, that gives excellent comfort, I'm hoping the new shape holds true too.

 

[beemerm635]

The initial design looked very similar to the original Atlas, that gives excellent comfort, I'm hoping the new shape holds true too.

 

the new design is the same shape as the Master/Icarus III IEM's, which are both highly anticipated and mid tier. For me that inspires confidence as Bob wouldn't release the centre of his lineup (yes he has said no more IEM's after phantom and Icarus range for 3 years) being the VYRUS V2, Atlas Delta, Master, ICARUS III, ICARUS IV, plus the 2 TOTL, 1000 units per annum of each, without a design as perfect as he can get them.

 

[Tommy C]

 

The initial design looked very similar to the original Atlas, that gives excellent comfort, I'm hoping the new shape holds true too.

 

the new design is the same shape as the Master/Icarus III IEM's, which are both highly anticipated and mid tier. For me that inspires confidence as Bob wouldn't release the centre of his lineup (yes he has said no more IEM's after phantom and Icarus range for 3 years) being the VYRUS V2, Atlas Delta, Master, ICARUS III, ICARUS IV, plus the 2 TOTL, 1000 units per annum of each, without a design as perfect as he can get them.

 
 
I kind of doubt it. Releasing new models on preorder bases seems to be their business model. New models sell, people get all excited when the new and improved model is being introduced and open their wallets.  
This industry is very hype driven. If you are not making noise you may not be able to survive. Trinity is not big enough or been around long enough to have the luxury to stay put for 3 years.
I would love to see a smaller lineup with more info and with models being available for a longer period of time, but based on past experience that  hasn't been the case. 

 

[Midgetguy]

   
 
I kind of doubt it. Releasing new models on preorder bases seems to be their business model. New models sell, people get all excited when the new and improved model is being introduced and open their wallets.  
This industry is very hype driven. If you are not making noise you may not be able to survive. Trinity is not big enough or been around long enough to have the luxury to stay put for 3 years.
I would love to see a smaller lineup with more info and with models being available for a longer period of time, but based on past experience that  hasn't been the case. 

Not to mention he said a long while ago that nothing would after the Phantom range. And then we got the Icarus models. I can't blame him for making more stuff, that's what he does: make more new things and experiment. You can bet he'll continue to make new things and fiddle with the old after the current orders get shipped out to people. Nothing wrong with that, but I'd prefer he keep it under wraps for a year or two. He can fiddle and create all he wants in that time span, just don't tell/tease us or make any release or development announcements.

 

[fearlessleader]

This industry is very hype driven.

Speaking of which... Adam Blair just released a V2 of Pump Audio IEMs on Kickstarter.

Serious question: Any likelihood that those Pump IEMs will be better than Master and/or Icarus? For two days they'll be close to the price of the Icarus -- and I'd guess that the Icarus should be much better, but... Adam's hype does make me ask.

 

[Tommy C]

Yeah, it's their business model it seems and if people are OK with it then it's their decision. Personally, l like new and innovative companies but l don't think releasing a new model every few months is what l would like to see. I often purchase top of the line items that been around for a year or two and backed up by longer warranty. I often get killer deals for models that been around for a couple of years.  As a potential customer l don't see new models being released every 3-4 months as a good thing to be honest.
I usually purchase top of the line items, especially earphones. The Hunter looks interesting but l'm having hard time convincing myself knowing a new model will be available in a few months perhaps and due to the fact there is not much info, reviews, graphs, sound signature etc... Also for that kind of money l'm expecting more than 1 yr warranty. 
for me, if I'm investing that kind of money on a pair of top tier IEM l want to have enough info before making a decision to pull the trigger. 

 

[Midgetguy]

  Yeah, it's their business model it seems and if people are OK with it then it's their decision. Personally, l like new and innovative companies but l don't think releasing a new model every few months is what l would like to see. I often purchase top of the line items that been around for a year or two and backed up by longer warranty. I often get killer deals for models that been around for a couple of years.  As a potential customer l don't see new models being released every 3-4 months as a good thing to be honest.
I usually purchase top of the line items, especially earphones. The Hunter looks interesting but l'm having hard time convincing myself knowing a new model will be available in a few months perhaps and due to the fact there is not much info, reviews, graphs, sound signature etc... Also for that kind of money l'm expecting more than 1 yr warranty. 
for me, if I'm investing that kind of money on a pair of top tier IEM l want to have enough info before making a decision to pull the trigger. 

Well I believe that for the Hunter and perhaps the PM6, warranty is supposed to be 2 years on the IEM, 5 years on the cables. But I do agree, that sort of release schedule annoys me because hardware isn't like software; it shouldn't be updated with cost every few months. Campfire Audio, for example, took nearly 2 years before releasing the second Lyra these past couple months.

 

[Neotribal]

  Not to mention he said a long while ago that nothing would after the Phantom range. And then we got the Icarus models. I can't blame him for making more stuff, that's what he does: make more new things and experiment. You can bet he'll continue to make new things and fiddle with the old after the current orders get shipped out to people. Nothing wrong with that, but I'd prefer he keep it under wraps for a year or two. He can fiddle and create all he wants in that time span, just don't tell/tease us or make any release or development announcements.

 
LOL... maaan they've barely been in existence for that long... less than two years even at the Kickstarter launch. The campaign started in May of 2015 and I didn't get my reward till September - October 2015. That's the first products they ever developed and shipped as a company... plus they had a ton of HeadFi input and involvement at the onset so I think keeping stuff under wraps is probably a recent development

 

[Tommy C]

Last time l asked l was told it's 12 months. It was a couple of weeks, so I am not sure really. 
Don't get me wrong, l have nothing against them and haven't heard their products yet, but like you said, this is not software. You can easily have a great pair of IEMs that sound superb and been around for 2,5,7 and even 10 years. 
 
I'm using a few IEMs from different brands that were released back in 2012, 2013 and 2015 at the moment, all between the $250-$600 range. I have tried some new stuff that had to be returned or had to find them a new home since l really didn't like some of them. I have tried quite a few over the years.
I consider myself a power user. I use my IEMs daily, around 8 hrs a day for work and pleasure, l tend to baby my gear and it's important for me to have a good customer service if l need support. I usually take the time to read reviews and see impressions from other users which l always take with a grain of salt.
But back to topic, l would like to see less new models, more time to do proper QA and tuning and no last minute changes. Many companies don't release anything before the items are ready to be shipped on the shelf/.Now l know how it works and this may not be Trinity's business model and l get that, at the same time the last few months of the preorder models got me hesitant before l open my wallet. 

 

[Midgetguy]

   
LOL... maaan they've barely been in existence for that long... less than two years even at the Kickstarter launch. The campaign started in May of 2015 and I didn't get my reward till September - October 2015. That's the first products they ever developed and shipped as a company... plus they had a ton of HeadFi input and involvement at the onset so I think keeping stuff under wraps is probably a recent development

I'm well aware of how young Trinity Audio is; I was also part of the original KS launch

. My point is that they could stand to pace their releases better. Felt like it went initial launch, then a new Delta (Delta V2) was released barely a few months after people actually got the first run of IEMs. That iteration (loved by most who bought one it seems) was discontinued only mere months after its own release. So within a single year, TWO iterations of an IEM came and went. By contrast, Campfire Audio started doing their own IEM lineup around the same time Trinity Audio started up and now, almost 2 years later, they've released the Lyra II, a followup to the original Lyra. Almost 2 years before release of a new iteration whereas the Delta blew through 2 iterations AND was discontinued within a single year. And while companies like Campfire Audio release/ship a couple of new models within a couple months, Trinity Audio is releasing and shipping out (by my current count) upwards of 7 different models all at the same time.
 
You can see why I'm critical of the release and revision schedules. Look at it another way; companies in any hardware sector designate warranties to indicate, in a way, product life span. If there's a one year warranty, they expect it will last longer than that. IEMs tend to have a 1-year warranty at least. The Delta, flagship of the initial launch and loved by most as well as its second iteration, was physically outlasted by its warranty period not because the product itself failed, but because it was discontinued. TWICE! I feel like an IEM's product life cycle should be able to outlast the standard warranty period attached to it unless there was something catastrophically wrong with the design.
 
I like Trinity Audio and it's great to see the progress they're making, but their strategy is a double-edged sword. New models generate interest, but considering how new models keep coming up as replacements for previous models, you may just end up with people not buying at all because they expect that a newer version will be out within a few months, so what's the point?

 

[nealh]

I'm well aware of how young Trinity Audio is; I was also part of the original KS launch . My point is that they could stand to pace their releases better. Felt like it went initial launch, then a new Delta (Delta V2) was released barely a few months after people actually got the first run of IEMs. That iteration (loved by most who bought one it seems) was discontinued only mere months after its own release. So within a single year, TWO iterations of an IEM came and went. By contrast, Campfire Audio started doing their own IEM lineup around the same time Trinity Audio started up and now, almost 2 years later, they've released the Lyra II, a followup to the original Lyra. Almost 2 years before release of a new iteration whereas the Delta blew through 2 iterations AND was discontinued within a single year. And while companies like Campfire Audio release/ship a couple of new models within a couple months, Trinity Audio is releasing and shipping out (by my current count) upwards of 7 different models all at the same time.

You can see why I'm critical of the release and revision schedules. Look at it another way; companies in any hardware sector designate warranties to indicate, in a way, product life span. If there's a one year warranty, they expect it will last longer than that. IEMs tend to have a 1-year warranty at least. The Delta, flagship of the initial launch and loved by most as well as its second iteration, was physically outlasted by its warranty period not because the product itself failed, but because it was discontinued. TWICE! I feel like an IEM's product life cycle should be able to outlast the standard warranty period attached to it unless there was something catastrophically wrong with the design.

I like Trinity Audio and it's great to see the progress they're making, but their strategy is a double-edged sword. New models generate interest, but considering how new models keep coming up as replacements for previous models, you may just end up with people not buying at all because they expect that a newer version will be out within a few months, so what's the point?

I think what Trinity is doing with make -release -change is a horrible business model from a customer's stand point. Leaves a bad taste and does not built confidence in my eyes.
I am disappointed to say the least.