The Zishan dsd's corner

May 5, 2022 at 1:54 PM Post #3,661 of 3,716
Вы планируете деактивировать реле защиты? Он закорачивает выход на GND, поэтому вы не слышите щелчки и удары при включении/выключении питания. Это может не быть проблемой, если ваш операционный усилитель имеет защиту от короткого замыкания на выходе.
due to the war in my country, I only have 4580, 4556 , 4562 and 6172 available. I'm not strong in materiel and I don't know if they have such protection. can you educate me on a possible buffer bypass ? someone wrote that it worsens the sound, right?
 
May 5, 2022 at 7:17 PM Post #3,662 of 3,716
due to the war in my country, I only have 4580, 4556 , 4562 and 6172 available. I'm not strong in materiel and I don't know if they have such protection. can you educate me on a possible buffer bypass ? someone wrote that it worsens the sound, right?

Well, I have done some mods to one of my Single AK4497EQ DSD units, and was planning to remove the transistor buffer stage - but haven't done it yet (got busy with other projects).

It's possible that the transistor buffer may be able to supply more output current than some op-amps, so removing the buffer might limit your output current - and reduce the performance if you have a hard to drive set of headphones.

On the other hand - a high-current op-amp may be able to deliver more current than the transistors - using the op-amp to drive your headphones may provide better performance.

I can't remember what the part numbers are for the transistors, but it shouldn't be too hard to determine what their maximum current capability is.

It looks like the NJM4556A has the highest output current (±70-mA) of the op-amps you list - so that would be the one to compare to the transistor specs.
 
May 29, 2022 at 3:09 PM Post #3,663 of 3,716
First mass version DSD - AK4490 mod. LPF OP627 or OP2810. Composite OP-Amp OP 1642.
 

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Jun 26, 2022 at 1:35 PM Post #3,665 of 3,716
This is the buffer configuration of OPA 1622 that Ivan describes bellow.

I think this is only for people that want to experiment with electronics and with the player, because replacing the discrete transistors with this or any other opamp buffer, will require a major modification: all discrete components that are part of the discrete transistors circuit need to be lifted and if we think a bit about that and we see that Ivan didn't stop there, he replaced all the analog amplification. So if you start doing this, maybe you end up like his PCB. :)
I think this Matrix quote applies to the mods Ivan did:
After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.



I've configured 1622 as a buffer per your instructions, I also read the datasheet to get the pinout and all makes sense, but could you please take a look at my photos and see if I did it right?

Maybe the photos are useful with your instructions, so I post them here.

Top side with the "bridge 1-2 and 6-7" and "extra 22uF caps", I didn't had 22uF, so I used 10uF.
(I used zero ohm resistor bridge, but a wire or solder can do the same job)
IMG_20190306_231427.jpg

Back side, here I replaced this two 1uF capacitors with 0.1uF, they are in parallel with the top side capacitors.
IMG_20190306_231503.jpg

The buffer pins are:
IMG_20190307_165131.jpg

IMG_20190307_172921.jpg

I used another dip8 opamp layout to identify the dip8 PCB pins and the wire colors:
DIP8-Colors.jpg
tell me please, do you have a photo of the built-in op 1622 in the role of a buffer?
 
Jun 30, 2022 at 1:40 PM Post #3,667 of 3,716
Not directly related to the DSD, but Zishan has released a new desktop DAC/Disc-Player/Bluetooth/Wifi, the “D1”. Looks like a high-end MD2 for $226 on AliExpress
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Does it have a touch screen for control, or does it use something like a smartphone app?
 
Jun 30, 2022 at 4:39 PM Post #3,668 of 3,716
Does it have a touch screen for control, or does it use something like a smartphone app?
The screen is simply described as LCD and doesn’t appear to be a touch screen… The remote looks the same as the MD1/MD2 (simple) one.
The description talks about Rigelian (IOS) and Malp (Android) Apps support which I think is how you would manage the USB disc player feature (there are 3 USB ports on that thing, in addition to the USB-C Amanero DAC interface).
It also talks about supporting Airplay, DLNA (I assume renderers), and future support for NAA push (HQplayer?), Roon protocols, internet radio, and adding DTS output.
Seems very ambitious on the software side… which would make me nervous coming from Zishan !!!:scream:
 
Jun 30, 2022 at 5:58 PM Post #3,669 of 3,716
The screen is simply described as LCD and doesn’t appear to be a touch screen… The remote looks the same as the MD1/MD2 (simple) one.
The description talks about Rigelian (IOS) and Malp (Android) Apps support which I think is how you would manage the USB disc player feature (there are 3 USB ports on that thing, in addition to the USB-C Amanero DAC interface).
It also talks about supporting Airplay, DLNA (I assume renderers), and future support for NAA push (HQplayer?), Roon protocols, internet radio, and adding DTS output.
Seems very ambitious on the software side… which would make me nervous coming from Zishan !!!:scream:

If it's going to support streaming, then there has to be some way to enter account info, and WiFi passwords. :ksc75smile:
 
Jul 7, 2022 at 5:31 PM Post #3,670 of 3,716
tell me please, do you have a photo of the built-in op 1622 in the role of a buffer?
Hi,
Yes, I found the photo you want, not the best quality, but it shows the connections.
At the time I used 400 Ohms earbuds and didn't need a buffer, so this was only a test and I removed it.
If you decide to put it, don't make those long wires, just solder it in place with short wires.
IMG_20190307_201835.jpgIMG_20190307_201923.jpg

Also notice that I had removed the discrete transistor buffer and put 2 shunt resistors marked 000 to close the PCB opamp loop.
See more about those resistors here:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-zishan-dsds-corner.826185/page-211#post-15986652
 
Sep 24, 2022 at 8:49 PM Post #3,672 of 3,716
Is there going to be new release of Zishan DSDs with ak4493s/ak4499ex? 🤔🙄🥺

I'm not sure whether there are any people who have connections to Zishan on this thread - but I do believe there may be some on the Walnut and Zishan (WaZe) Facebook groups.
 
Jan 8, 2023 at 11:41 AM Post #3,674 of 3,716
My DSD dual ES9038Q2M is on fw 0.5d
Dual AK4497 fw 0.5c
Single AK4497 fw 0.4M

Are those the recommended ones nowaday?

I've heard some stories about high resell value, I was thinking of selling AK4497 and dual AK4497, what's the consensus on their worth at the moment?
 
Jan 8, 2023 at 11:47 AM Post #3,675 of 3,716
My DSD dual ES9038Q2M is on fw 0.5d
Dual AK4497 fw 0.5c
Single AK4497 fw 0.4M

Are those the recommended ones nowaday?

I've heard some stories about high resell value, I was thinking of selling AK4497 and dual AK4497, what's the consensus on their worth at the moment?

Priceless!
 

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