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May 23, 2025 at 3:23 AM Post #107,086 of 107,316
Pity it kills the battery life (if you're talking about the as-yet unofficial double-power 'feature').

I wouldn't say it kills it. Perhaps it goes from 72 hours to 48 hours/charge. I use mine for a few hours every day and only need to charge it about once every 3 days. it's still leagues above anything else I've tried in terms of battery life, save perhaps the P6 Pro.
 
May 23, 2025 at 5:32 AM Post #107,087 of 107,316
Hot take:

The bass of the Traillii with Orpheus is better than the APX SE with standard cable 🧐

There is something about the analog rumble of the Traillii with Oprhy that just works for me.
Its less clean, less separated, but that sort of RRRRR sound in the low-ends just connects with me.

While the Apx SE hits a little harder, and works a little better for genres like hiphop and edm.

Add Orphy to the Apx Se and it becomes a lot closer. Then the apx is actually more all rounded.

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May 23, 2025 at 5:46 AM Post #107,088 of 107,316
I wouldn't say it kills it. Perhaps it goes from 72 hours to 48 hours/charge. I use mine for a few hours every day and only need to charge it about once every 3 days. it's still leagues above anything else I've tried in terms of battery life, save perhaps the P6 Pro.
Do you mean high gain or Walkman One double power setting (beta)?
 
May 23, 2025 at 9:49 AM Post #107,090 of 107,316
Cross-posting from the Forte Ears Impressions thread:

Forte Ears Mefisto - Early Impressions

mefistopreview.jpg



Thanks to @Riccardoyeh, Mefisto is finally in da house. I've been listening on and off for the past 24 hours, and have managed to formulate some very early impressions of Mefisto, mostly relative to Macbeth.

Interestingly, I don't think Macbeth is going to be Mefisto's direct competitor; instead I think the likes of Campfire Audio's Clara, Icelab's Spectrumica and FIR Audio's Project K will come into the conversation much more when we're talking about Mefisto down the line. Still, as far as Forte Ears goes, Macbeth is the benchmark, and I daresay - based on early evidence - we're in for a changing of the guard soon, RRP be damned!

Forte Ears’ sophomore release, Mefisto, is for me an immediately more accessible alternative to Macbeth, retailing at $2,899 versus Macbeth’s $4,000. Despite its lower price, however, Mefisto may well be the more complete and appealing of the two offerings — both in its sound tuning and refined aesthetics.

Internally, Mefisto debuts a new driver configuration: dual 7.8mm dynamic drivers for bass, four balanced armatures, and a newly developed micro-planar tweeter dubbed Aria. The result is a physical, air-moving bass presentation that immediately stands apart from Macbeth’s more elevated but less tactile BA bass. The leaner lower midrange on Mefisto also enhances separation, contributing to its transparent character. This does, however, come at the cost of slightly less body in male vocals, which Macbeth renders with a smoother, chestier tone.

Treble was an initial concern — micro-planar drivers can often introduce unpleasant zing at the highest peaks — but Mefisto impresses here, too. There’s a palpable sense of relief in its restrained top-end; it manages to remain articulate without drawing undue attention. While a slight sandiness is detectable in the upper harmonics of female vocals, it’s far from the sibilant edge present in some competitors.

The mid-to-upper treble range is less elevated than Macbeth, and with a more subdued upper midrange, Mefisto allows its bass to cut through with more conviction, despite marginally lower volume. Technically, both models are on par — wide, holographic soundstages with pinpoint imaging and exceptional resolution, particularly in the vocal and treble regions. Macbeth may edge out Mefisto slightly in 3D layering, but the difference is subtle.

Build quality remains stellar. Both shells are large but ergonomically contoured, with Mefisto sporting a more sophisticated cast silver (yes, pure silver!), ruby-inlaid design. Fit is generally secure, though some pressure buildup is felt in longer sessions, mirroring the experience with Macbeth.

While these impressions are early, Mefisto already feels like a more musically expressive and carefully tuned evolution of Forte’s vision. With further listening — and the addition of Eletech’s new Odyssey cable — a fuller review will follow. For now, Mefisto strikes a compelling balance of technical prowess and emotional engagement.

With all that said, here's what you really came here for, some eye candy of Riccardo's new baby. Enjoy!

MefistoPreview_01.jpgMefistoPreview_02.jpgMefistoPreview_03.jpgMefistoPreview_04.jpgMefistoPreview_05.jpgMefistoPreview_06.jpgMefistoPreview_07.jpg
 
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May 23, 2025 at 10:54 AM Post #107,091 of 107,316
Those look beautiful. Like a fine piece of art.
 
May 23, 2025 at 11:31 AM Post #107,092 of 107,316
Cross-posting from the Forte Ears Impressions thread:

Forte Ears Mefisto - Early Impressions

mefistopreview.jpg



Thanks to @Riccardoyeh, Mefisto is finally in da house. I've been listening on and off for the past 24 hours, and have managed to formulate some very early impressions of Mefisto, mostly relative to Macbeth.

Interestingly, I don't think Macbeth is going to be Mefisto's direct competitor; instead I think the likes of Campfire Audio's Clara, Icelab's Spectrumica and FIR Audio's Project K will come into the conversation much more when we're talking about Mefisto down the line. Still, as far as Forte Ears goes, Macbeth is the benchmark, and I daresay - based on early evidence - we're in for a changing of the guard soon, RRP be damned!

Forte Ears’ sophomore release, Mefisto, is for me an immediately more accessible alternative to Macbeth, retailing at $2,899 versus Macbeth’s $4,000. Despite its lower price, however, Mefisto may well be the more complete and appealing of the two offerings — both in its sound tuning and refined aesthetics.

Internally, Mefisto debuts a new driver configuration: dual 7.8mm dynamic drivers for bass, four balanced armatures, and a newly developed micro-planar tweeter dubbed Aria. The result is a physical, air-moving bass presentation that immediately stands apart from Macbeth’s more elevated but less tactile BA bass. The leaner lower midrange on Mefisto also enhances separation, contributing to its transparent character. This does, however, come at the cost of slightly less body in male vocals, which Macbeth renders with a smoother, chestier tone.

Treble was an initial concern — micro-planar drivers can often introduce unpleasant zing at the highest peaks — but Mefisto impresses here, too. There’s a palpable sense of relief in its restrained top-end; it manages to remain articulate without drawing undue attention. While a slight sandiness is detectable in the upper harmonics of female vocals, it’s far from the sibilant edge present in some competitors.

The mid-to-upper treble range is less elevated than Macbeth, and with a more subdued upper midrange, Mefisto allows its bass to cut through with more conviction, despite marginally lower volume. Technically, both models are on par — wide, holographic soundstages with pinpoint imaging and exceptional resolution, particularly in the vocal and treble regions. Macbeth may edge out Mefisto slightly in 3D layering, but the difference is subtle.

Build quality remains stellar. Both shells are large but ergonomically contoured, with Mefisto sporting a more sophisticated silver-plated, ruby-inlaid design. Fit is generally secure, though some pressure buildup is felt in longer sessions, mirroring the experience with Macbeth.

While these impressions are early, Mefisto already feels like a more musically expressive and carefully tuned evolution of Forte’s vision. With further listening — and the addition of Eletech’s new Odyssey cable — a fuller review will follow. For now, Mefisto strikes a compelling balance of technical prowess and emotional engagement.

With all that said, here's what you really came here for, some eye candy of Riccardo's new baby. Enjoy!

MefistoPreview_01.jpgMefistoPreview_02.jpgMefistoPreview_03.jpgMefistoPreview_04.jpgMefistoPreview_05.jpgMefistoPreview_06.jpgMefistoPreview_07.jpg
So I know it may too early to compare but how does it compare to Clara since you mentioned it. I have thought about preordering but I really should demo it as it’s still not cheap.
 
May 23, 2025 at 11:58 AM Post #107,093 of 107,316
So I know it may too early to compare but how does it compare to Clara since you mentioned it. I have thought about preordering but I really should demo it as it’s still not cheap.
I'll compare the two this weekend and report back here.
 
May 23, 2025 at 12:36 PM Post #107,094 of 107,316
The Trifecta feel more special to me, but that could just be price bias kicking in. The Astrolith feel like a casual listen whereas the Trifecta are an active choice for me - that sounds like nonsense, but I'm not deleting it!
With owning all of them, I would lean a little more towards the Grand Maestro. It's musical with the ability to dig super deep. The trifecta has amazing bass but is a bit slower and less musical then the GM. GM has the bass, digs deeps, midbass is fast, and the treble isn't too spicy. The trifecta is a specific tune, which I love. I still own them today. But they're more of a "fun" listen for me. Either way I would pick between the GM and trifecta. You won't be disappointed with either decision as they're both GREAT IEM's. Good luck!
Thanks for the suggestions!

I got a chance to re-demo the Grand Maestro yesterday and was actually quite surprised with the whole performance package. It has been a while since I demoed GM and I never really got an intensive session with it. Musicality is top tier, along with great macrodynamics performance. Despite having a very deep sub-bass rumble, unlike Duality, GM's mid-bass to sub-bass quantity is much more balanced, and slam/punch is better to my ears. Midrange with vocal switch on is almost as good as my Jewel/Erlky, and the treble's tuning concept fits my taste that leans towards a series of peaks instead of something linear like Anni's treble.

Somehow, GM reminds me a lot of APX SE's sound from my memory, only with a tad less resolution across all frequency ranges. Soundstage is almost as good as Fourte, which I also demoed recently, so I'm really looking to the potential of the SuperStage module upgrade on it. GM's sound was just too convincing that I decided to purchase it with less than a 45 minute demo :)

Will try to find a Trifecta to demo when I visit SG/Japan later this year! So many positive impressions about it's capability to push air and I'm super into DD bass with good physicality and long-decay!
 
May 23, 2025 at 2:17 PM Post #107,095 of 107,316
Cross-posting from the Forte Ears Impressions thread:

Forte Ears Mefisto - Early Impressions

mefistopreview.jpg



Thanks to @Riccardoyeh, Mefisto is finally in da house. I've been listening on and off for the past 24 hours, and have managed to formulate some very early impressions of Mefisto, mostly relative to Macbeth.

Interestingly, I don't think Macbeth is going to be Mefisto's direct competitor; instead I think the likes of Campfire Audio's Clara, Icelab's Spectrumica and FIR Audio's Project K will come into the conversation much more when we're talking about Mefisto down the line. Still, as far as Forte Ears goes, Macbeth is the benchmark, and I daresay - based on early evidence - we're in for a changing of the guard soon, RRP be damned!

Forte Ears’ sophomore release, Mefisto, is for me an immediately more accessible alternative to Macbeth, retailing at $2,899 versus Macbeth’s $4,000. Despite its lower price, however, Mefisto may well be the more complete and appealing of the two offerings — both in its sound tuning and refined aesthetics.

Internally, Mefisto debuts a new driver configuration: dual 7.8mm dynamic drivers for bass, four balanced armatures, and a newly developed micro-planar tweeter dubbed Aria. The result is a physical, air-moving bass presentation that immediately stands apart from Macbeth’s more elevated but less tactile BA bass. The leaner lower midrange on Mefisto also enhances separation, contributing to its transparent character. This does, however, come at the cost of slightly less body in male vocals, which Macbeth renders with a smoother, chestier tone.

Treble was an initial concern — micro-planar drivers can often introduce unpleasant zing at the highest peaks — but Mefisto impresses here, too. There’s a palpable sense of relief in its restrained top-end; it manages to remain articulate without drawing undue attention. While a slight sandiness is detectable in the upper harmonics of female vocals, it’s far from the sibilant edge present in some competitors.

The mid-to-upper treble range is less elevated than Macbeth, and with a more subdued upper midrange, Mefisto allows its bass to cut through with more conviction, despite marginally lower volume. Technically, both models are on par — wide, holographic soundstages with pinpoint imaging and exceptional resolution, particularly in the vocal and treble regions. Macbeth may edge out Mefisto slightly in 3D layering, but the difference is subtle.

Build quality remains stellar. Both shells are large but ergonomically contoured, with Mefisto sporting a more sophisticated silver-plated, ruby-inlaid design. Fit is generally secure, though some pressure buildup is felt in longer sessions, mirroring the experience with Macbeth.

While these impressions are early, Mefisto already feels like a more musically expressive and carefully tuned evolution of Forte’s vision. With further listening — and the addition of Eletech’s new Odyssey cable — a fuller review will follow. For now, Mefisto strikes a compelling balance of technical prowess and emotional engagement.

With all that said, here's what you really came here for, some eye candy of Riccardo's new baby. Enjoy!

MefistoPreview_01.jpgMefistoPreview_02.jpgMefistoPreview_03.jpgMefistoPreview_04.jpgMefistoPreview_05.jpgMefistoPreview_06.jpgMefistoPreview_07.jpg
I am not hearing that sandiness you're referring to but will focus my listening more. I've been listening pretty hard following 100 hr burn in and have been astonished that I cannot identify the planar driver except to know it's there doing its thing.
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Regarding the Clara comparison, I think these two stand in different forests except that their tunings resemble each other in elevated bass and treble. Clara is a more laid back listen while Mefisto is not, at least for me. I would probably say Mefisto is closer to a GM than Clara.

Bass is tremendous, in quality and quantity. People who wanted DD bass in a @Riccardoyeh tuning will be very happy here. Also, in comparison to the Clara, Mefisto brings more high end detail (tho I need to listen harder for that sand you mentioned from the planar driver). I heard a Mefisto prototype with ESTs at the same time I heard the one with the planar, and before knowing which was which, I distinctly preferred the planar.

The Temptation cable is everything I remembered it to be in prototype and final demos. It is so perfect for Mefisto that I cannot imagine cable rolling, much as I haven't rolled Ambition off Macbeth, except for some testing with other IEMs. @Eric Chong and Riccardo have an amazing sympatico and both Macbeth, and 1 year later, Mefisto, are the results of this unique friendship and collaboration.

And to let so many people listen throughout the process - at Canjams, meetups, wherever it can happen - the greatest thing is that we all helped a little bit in how awesome both of these IEMs are. And we knew then what to expect in a final product and have not been disappointed. Riccardo and Eric are themselves, unique guys who are both part and parcel of what the best of this community can be!!

Congrats on two-out-of-two! By my math, that is 💯%!!!
 
May 23, 2025 at 2:22 PM Post #107,096 of 107,316
I am not hearing that sandiness you're referring to but will focus my listening more. I've been listening pretty hard following 100 hr burn in and have been astonished that I cannot identify the planar driver except to know it's there doing its thing.
1000099767.jpg
Regarding the Clara comparison, I think these two stand in different forests except that their tunings resemble each other in elevated bass and treble. Clara is a more laid back listen while Mefisto is not, at least for me. I would probably say Mefisto is closer to a GM than Clara.

Bass is tremendous, in quality and quantity. People who wanted DD bass in a @Riccardoyeh tuning will be very happy here. Also, in comparison to the Clara, Mefisto brings more high end detail (tho I need to listen harder for that sand you mentioned from the planar driver). I heard a Mefisto prototype with ESTs at the same time I heard the one with the planar, and before knowing which was which, I distinctly preferred the planar.

The Temptation cable is everything I remembered it to be in prototype and final demos. It is so perfect for Mefisto that I cannot imagine cable rolling, much as I haven't rolled Ambition off Macbeth, except for some testing with other IEMs. @Eric Chong and Riccardo have an amazing sympatico and both Macbeth, and 1 year later, Mefisto, are the results of this unique friendship and collaboration.

And to let so many people listen throughout the process - at Canjams, meetups, wherever it can happen - the greatest thing is that we all helped a little bit in how awesome both of these IEMs are. And we knew then what to expect in a final product and have not been disappointed. Riccardo and Eric are themselves, unique guys who are both part and parcel of what the best of this community can be!!

Congrats on two-out-of-two! By my math, that is 💯%!!!
Great impressions! Mine isn't burned in yet - all my impressions are out the box. There's every chance the treble will smooth out and bass incease in quantity/impact with burn-in, but I have to say it's pretty stellar as-is right now and easily my favourite of the two Forte Ears IEMs (granted I haven't heard Macbeth witb Ambition or Mefisto with Temptation).

Very keen to compare it with Clara, though the way you describe the differences is exactly what I'm expecting to hear 👊🏻
 
May 23, 2025 at 2:45 PM Post #107,097 of 107,316
Just got those beautiful CFA candies from the tour . They are all great but the one is standing out for me is the Solaris horizon. I kept listening it a lot. Soundstage is wide and airy, bass is great right enough amount of slam and weight. I like it paired with the time stream silver the most. This set is very impressive for me that i will consider getting one to complement with my Apx Se after the tour.
Thanks @Rockwell75 and CFA to arrange this tour. Happy listening to all coolers!
 

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May 23, 2025 at 3:12 PM Post #107,099 of 107,316
I am not hearing that sandiness you're referring to but will focus my listening more. I've been listening pretty hard following 100 hr burn in and have been astonished that I cannot identify the planar driver except to know it's there doing its thing.
1000099767.jpg
Regarding the Clara comparison, I think these two stand in different forests except that their tunings resemble each other in elevated bass and treble. Clara is a more laid back listen while Mefisto is not, at least for me. I would probably say Mefisto is closer to a GM than Clara.

Bass is tremendous, in quality and quantity. People who wanted DD bass in a @Riccardoyeh tuning will be very happy here. Also, in comparison to the Clara, Mefisto brings more high end detail (tho I need to listen harder for that sand you mentioned from the planar driver). I heard a Mefisto prototype with ESTs at the same time I heard the one with the planar, and before knowing which was which, I distinctly preferred the planar.

The Temptation cable is everything I remembered it to be in prototype and final demos. It is so perfect for Mefisto that I cannot imagine cable rolling, much as I haven't rolled Ambition off Macbeth, except for some testing with other IEMs. @Eric Chong and Riccardo have an amazing sympatico and both Macbeth, and 1 year later, Mefisto, are the results of this unique friendship and collaboration.

And to let so many people listen throughout the process - at Canjams, meetups, wherever it can happen - the greatest thing is that we all helped a little bit in how awesome both of these IEMs are. And we knew then what to expect in a final product and have not been disappointed. Riccardo and Eric are themselves, unique guys who are both part and parcel of what the best of this community can be!!

Congrats on two-out-of-two! By my math, that is 💯%!!!
Thanks. That cable is insane but there’s no way I’d spend the same price for the cable as the IEM. Stunning looks though. I do get some fatigue occasionally with the Clara/340 combo on low gain/high dac gain. I do believe some of this has to do with the music though as I listen to mostly metal, prog, and prog rock which is generally not well mastered.
 

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