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Jan 2, 2024 at 9:40 AM Post #76,441 of 88,247
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They may work that extra mile in refinement that Sony or Technics failed (on me)

I will likely try them when I am finished fitting my cabled setup
Fokus Prestige has been taking most of my time lately, even over Ronin. Noble has done a great job with the tuning of Prestige and that bass reaches low and deep. It is very satisfying. It's made me remember what a well tuned DD can do to your listening experience and put me on the prowl again for a diff IEM that has a DD.
 
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Jan 2, 2024 at 9:45 AM Post #76,442 of 88,247
Question for the Perpetua fans. What type of music do you enjoy it with the most? Is it a generalist or a specialist?
Personally, I use it as more of a specialist … male vocal/singer songwriter. I have yet to try it for more complex composers like rock, etc.
 
Jan 2, 2024 at 9:48 AM Post #76,443 of 88,247
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KL958RY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3HXMIPI4MR2R6&psc=1

It should be thoroughly amazing with your Annihilator also...and Perpetua if you manage to swing that.
From the product description:
“Engineered with 4-wire braided Kimber Kable
Made using advanced braiding techniques, the four wire braided cables engineered with Kimber Kable are handcrafted to seamlessly handle high power and deliver ultimate sound performance.”

First time I’ve read that in this description. Looks like this one ships from Japan though. Does this model suffer from the outside of Japan 🇯🇵 volume cap and then with this particular unit shipping from Japan does it possibly circumvent that if so?

Great deal with Amazon return policy backing it if so.
 
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Jan 2, 2024 at 9:52 AM Post #76,444 of 88,247
Those are the toys I’m looking forward to buy in 2024:
1. Astell Kern x Vision Ears Aura - for my personal “enjoyable reference” listening
2. Noble Spartacus - for the energized fun listening

And those are the toys that would require something from my house to be sold off 😂:
1. New unnamed Oriolus flagship
2. Elysian Dio - that would be very hard to audition prior to buying I believe
3. Nightjar Duality - and this one can make only through blind buying
 
Jan 2, 2024 at 9:59 AM Post #76,445 of 88,247
Fokus Prestige has been taking most of my time lately, even over Ronin. Noble has done a great job with the tuning of Prestige and that bass reaches low and deep. It is very satisfying. It's made me remember what a well tuned DD can do to your listening experience and put me on the prowl again for a diff IEM that has a DD.
Fatfreq MSE or Nostalgia Camelot are good options for DD goodness
 
Jan 2, 2024 at 10:25 AM Post #76,446 of 88,247
From the product description:
“Engineered with 4-wire braided Kimber Kable
Made using advanced braiding techniques, the four wire braided cables engineered with Kimber Kable are handcrafted to seamlessly handle high power and deliver ultimate sound performance.”

First time I’ve read that in this description. Looks like this one ships from Japan though. Does this model suffer from the outside of Japan 🇯🇵 volume cap and then with this particular unit shipping from Japan does it possibly circumvent that if so?

Great deal with Amazon return policy backing it if so.
I’m fairly sure the WM1A and WM1Z didn’t have region-dependent voltage caps. They were all made the same. Though, if you’re getting one from Japan, the UI might start out in Japanese. You’ll have to find the menu and change it to English. My WM1A was a 2nd-hand unit from Japan, and I had a friend change it for me. You can probably do it yourself with Google Translate or lucky pressing. :D
 
Jan 2, 2024 at 10:31 AM Post #76,447 of 88,247
While some IEMs scale with desktop gear, almost all of them sounds good from a nice dongle like RU7 or even something cheaper.
My listening is mainly with DAP or fullsize DAC/AMP.



Diminishing is strong even at the 20usd bracket, but we could argue that 1000$ is point where it's more about tuning differences and getting the very last percentages of performance. Up to each if that's worth it or not, some would even stop at the cheap EA500 at 70 usd and call that endgame.

My advice is take time and enjoy the ride, try different IEMs on the way up and you will probably learn what you love. And even consider buying used, if its wrong for you it's less of a loss when you sell it again.



But if you go for the 800$ mark all the models you mention will be good.

DTE900 and Neon Pro is more in the energetic and speedy camp, both are excellent. Love the Neon Pro tuning and coherent sound, but lacks DD. But it has a excellent timbre for an all BA, my favorite all BA. My metal god 😁

DTE900 is super impressive with a technical and fast low end, energetic and detailed tuning overall.
Quite unbeatable at this price range if the sound is for you. DTE900 lack some polish compared to better tuned models, and has a forward ear gain that can be to tiresome. DTE is airy, but not that much compared to NP.

Ascension is the most balanced and organic sounding AüR, the balance between the low end and the rest make it warmer than Neon Pro. Has the DD that NP lacks, but it's a quite different low end tonality compared to DTE900. Ascension is more textured and natural, DTE is faster and more visceral but also less natural sounding on acoustic music.

Have no idea about how the crossovers work in the Ascension, but to me the midrange sound closer to DD than BA. More rich and engaging, used it for the Xmas vacation and the midrange made me now dislike the 64audio U4s as its lifeless in the midrange.
Highs are also good, airy and natural without being peaky or tiresome.

All 3 models have good soundstage
DTE900 very speaker like with a more forward projection that's further away from you. Have l more width than most IEMs.

Neon Pro is more 3D, has good depth and width but less than DTE900 and is closer to your head.

Ascension is also good at 3D stage and has a presentation that blends the qualities of NP and DTE900. Has also the maybe the best dynamic range in the stage where it can sound like it's more behind you and also reach far forward or to the sides.



@Scuba Devils is not alone, think many prefer more relaxed tunings and specially in the upper mids/ear gain.
Both Neon Pro and DTE900 has forward upper mids, both rides the borderline of what I find ok. Perfect for most days, but not on a bad day or with brighter recordings. This is also where Ascension is much better than Neon Pro and DTE900, has a more forgiving tuning.

I have still a new toy syndrome on Ascension, so keep that in mind. But even so it's a set that I wouldn't say wowed me at forst listen, it has grown more and more over the days to maybe be my favorite now.

And there is plenty of other good brands and models.

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Thank you so much for this reply. I decided to not overthink it any longer and ordered the Ascension last night based on early reviews, from you and a few others, it seems it could be the perfect choice 🤞🏼
 
Jan 2, 2024 at 10:41 AM Post #76,448 of 88,247
Given my ( humble ) exp i would tell anybody >that can afford it< to shot for the top tier : to save time energy and upgradities .

Not a rule but surely very common that when affordable , and when sound and music is a constant or a need in life , one would experience upgradities and go through upgrade windows in life

Passing through upper tiers in IEM is not that bad really :pmy exp.. 800$ in classifieds with a little patience and use can land you a lot of value : I saw V16 divinity that went used for 800$, they are already totl iems and very good reference sound besides signatures and preferences.. Just an example , there are many occasions Sony ier-z1r goes for similar price nowadays , Mest mkII or mkIII etc. : you have quite a market in this price range and it is a smart choice , a sweet spot for price/performance, and value.
So a budget that when well spent can definitely keep you happy for a time and a long on your case maybe , and it happened to me too ...after quite a time upgradities knocked my doors again, so.. it happens, again and again, many the reasons .


Passing straight from btr7 to any dap I have is quite a difference , for sound quality , it is something I can tell quite fast too: but this is true and noticeable on totl iems ( or kilobucks iems if you prefer) and a little less on more mid-fi gears ; and I can definitely echo what you wrote too : if I am walking around with the chain and through different ambients/noise and crowd scenarios , then the difference , still there and pleasurable still , becomes a bit less evident and less strict on perception .. so if your case use is more casual and mainly on the move , you might be very well served with btr7 ; it is the best bt dongle I have had , up with ru6 and ru7 too or nearly so to my ears for sound quality - besides synergies differences and similar considerations - so it can definitely and already be a good option in your case, iems of choice and use

🍻🍻to you too!
Very much appreciated. I decided to pass right through the $400-$700 range and go straight for the Aur Ascension. Seems early adopters have very positive thoughts and it seems it could be perfect for my tastes.
 
Jan 2, 2024 at 10:46 AM Post #76,449 of 88,247
What’s the lead time on a 622B CIEM? I bought a universal to give it another go in case I missed on something during my audition. I have too many friends who consider it a top 3 set to not try it again. If I do end up enjoying it more I’ll likely get a custom. Do they have custom designs?

Hi! 👋
In my case, they told me it was about a month to get the CIEM. If it hadn’t been blocked at the Chinese customs, I would have had it slightly before a month. And if I receive it this week (as it should) it will be a bit over a month.
They do have custom designs. I attached the Canpur PDF so you can have a look at the options (it’s the Chinese version though so, sorry about that).
One thing to note is that for the moment they only seem to have the black shell option available. At least in my case I could only choose black. For the face plates they have many designs available, but it doesn’t look like you can stray away from those selections.
You can also make a custom logo and choose different colors for it. Different designs for each sides are also possible.
Although, they have several wooden faceplates options, the guy from my local shop advised me against as he said wood could potentially impact the tuning of the set, especially in the case of this one which has 2 BCDs. I don’t know if there is such a risk, but I’m just sharing what I’ve been told.
Lastly, they’ll need to analyze your ear shape and size first, because since the 2 BCDs need to be positioned in a specific way, some ear morphologies /size might not be able to work as custom design to fit the tech.

aw Julien we shall definitely find sometime to meet in Shanghai before you leave! Sadly my trips to Shanghai last year were all short and rush ones packed with business engagements....

Yeah man! That would definitely be awesome to meet you before I go!! :)
Me sadly I don’t think I’ll be able to go towards Hongkong before I go. I’d love to, but I think it’s gonna be tight on my side…
But yeah! If you manage to stop by Shanghai and have some spare time before March, that would be fantastic!! :ksc75smile:


We'll find a way to put some European ears together, although efforts always stop at the exact same point. We gotta come up with a Plan B @Scuba Devils...

Canpur I would be able to demo in the Netherlands, but Rosenkranz absolutely not.

drftr

Definitely looking forward to meet the Coolers in Europe! :)

Yeah Rosenkranz is hard to find anywhere but Japan! And even there it’s probably not that easy to find. Here in Shanghai they have some for demo in one shop because the owner of the shop is Japanese, so they have several exotic Japanese brands that are not easy to come by.

Also, if we meet, I’ll have P0 to let you try! Another set that’s almost impossible to demo anywhere, except some audio shows in China. :)


Question for the Perpetua fans. What type of music do you enjoy it with the most? Is it a generalist or a specialist?
I don’t really qualify as a Perpétua fan, I don’t own it and probably never will, but I demoed it many times (always with Kondo cable) and while I appreciate what it does, I personally think it’s a mids centric set that specializes in vocals timbre. I would not classify it in the generalist/allrounder category and would personally not recommend this set as a one and only. It’s an excellent set though and one of the best at what it does well.

Cheers guys,

Julien
 

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Jan 2, 2024 at 10:50 AM Post #76,450 of 88,247
Very much appreciated. I decided to pass right through the $400-$700 range and go straight for the Aur Ascension. Seems early adopters have very positive thoughts and it seems it could be perfect for my .
Ascension and Divinity may be close :p and now you don't have to wait for Divinity or else in classifieds.. 👌look forward to your impressions then
 
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Jan 2, 2024 at 10:51 AM Post #76,451 of 88,247
Hi! 👋
In my case, they told me it was about a month to get the CIEM. If it hadn’t been blocked at the Chinese customs, I would have had it slightly before a month. And if I receive it this week (as it should) it will be a bit over a month.
They do have custom designs. I attached the Canpur PDF so you can have a look at the options (it’s the Chinese version though so, sorry about that).
One thing to note is that for the moment they only seem to have the black shell option available. At least in my case I could only choose black. For the face plates they have many designs available, but it doesn’t look like you can stray away from those selections.
You can also make a custom logo and choose different colors for it. Different designs for each sides are also possible.
Although, they have several wooden faceplates options, the guy from my local shop advised me against as he said wood could potentially impact the tuning of the set, especially in the case of this one which has 2 BCDs. I don’t know if there is such a risk, but I’m just sharing what I’ve been told.
Lastly, they’ll need to analyze your ear shape and size first, because since the 2 BCDs need to be positioned in a specific way, some ear morphologies /size might not be able to work as custom design to fit the tech.



Yeah man! That would definitely be awesome to meet you before I go!! :)
Me sadly I don’t think I’ll be able to go towards Hongkong before I go. I’d love to, but I think it’s gonna be tight on my side…
But yeah! If you manage to stop by Shanghai and have some spare time before March, that would be fantastic!! :ksc75smile:




Definitely looking forward to meet the Coolers in Europe! :)

Yeah Rosenkranz is hard to find anywhere but Japan! And even there it’s probably not that easy to find. Here in Shanghai they have some for demo in one shop because the owner of the shop is Japanese, so they have several exotic Japanese brands that are not easy to come by.

Also, if we meet, I’ll have P0 to let you try! Another set that’s almost impossible to demo anywhere, except some audio shows in China. :)



I don’t really qualify as a Perpétua fan, I don’t own it and probably never will, but I demoed it many times (always with Kondo cable) and while I appreciate what it does, I personally think it’s a mids centric set that specializes in vocals timbre. I would not classify it in the generalist/allrounder category and would personally not recommend this set as a one and only. It’s an excellent set though and one of the best at what it does well.

Cheers guys,

Julien

Thank you so much!
 
Jan 2, 2024 at 11:22 AM Post #76,452 of 88,247
Hello Cooler. So over the last few months I've posted a question or so now and then about various DD iems, looking for a perfect pair to compliment my u12t. I visited e-earphone many times demoing various sets. So I feel I should mention, today I tried a set and was quickly enamoured with them and made the purchase... it's the 634ears MIROAK II - Japan Limited set. I think they were released very recently and only being sold at a couple of stores here. I really didn't know much about them and just tried on a whim as I remembered the company being mentioned on this site. WOW are they good, just what I've been looking for. Treble is nice and crisp, mids are solid, the bass is nice and thick but also seems really controlled, like it doesn't wash into other parts of the music like I've heard with other sets. I've seen the sound described as "organic" and yeah, absolutely, I agree. I was just floored a few minutes ago by Joni Mitchell playing a demo of "Help Me" with just a guitar, sounds incredibly nice. Anyway for whatever it's worth, which is one guy's feeling and set of ears :) , I think they're amazing and a joy to listen to. Thanks everyone for answering my questions and in general for all the helpful and interesting posts!! Here are a few shots from the day.
 

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Jan 2, 2024 at 11:44 AM Post #76,453 of 88,247
Hello Cooler. So over the last few months I've posted a question or so now and then about various DD iems, looking for a perfect pair to compliment my u12t. I visited e-earphone many times demoing various sets. So I feel I should mention, today I tried a set and was quickly enamoured with them and made the purchase... it's the 634ears MIROAK II - Japan Limited set. I think they were released very recently and only being sold at a couple of stores here. I really didn't know much about them and just tried on a whim as I remembered the company being mentioned on this site. WOW are they good, just what I've been looking for. Treble is nice and crisp, mids are solid, the bass is nice and thick but also seems really controlled, like it doesn't wash into other parts of the music like I've heard with other sets. I've seen the sound described as "organic" and yeah, absolutely, I agree. I was just floored a few minutes ago by Joni Mitchell playing a demo of "Help Me" with just a guitar, sounds incredibly nice. Anyway for whatever it's worth, which is one guy's feeling and set of ears :) , I think they're amazing and a joy to listen to. Thanks everyone for answering my questions and in general for all the helpful and interesting posts!! Here are a few shots from the day. Welcome to the 634ears club :beerchug:

What wood is on the model?
Mine is Miroak-II Cocobolo, but with ABS? barrel that is the standard version, Japanese edition have metal barrel to have a sharper sound.

I adore mine, I bet they have some similarities even if there is some material differences. Warm and organic, yes indeed.

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Jan 2, 2024 at 12:42 PM Post #76,454 of 88,247
What wood is on the model?
Mine is Miroak-II Cocobolo, but with ABS? barrel that is the standard version, Japanese edition have metal barrel to have a sharper sound.

I adore mine, I bet they have some similarities even if there is some material differences. Warm and organic, yes indeed.

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Your set is gorgeous, wow. I'm sure they're very similar. And you know I think "organic" is something I read on one of your posts.... yes 100%!! As far as I can tell from the translation, the wood is African padauk, and that's fixed for this Japan variant. By the way which cord as you using? I actually like the one that came with it a lot, but it's pretty short and I'd like to get a balanced cord (though I wonder with this set if perhaps unbalanced might actually be better?) Anyway I'll probably post in the thread dedicated to this iem to see about this.
 
Jan 2, 2024 at 12:48 PM Post #76,455 of 88,247
From the product description:
“Engineered with 4-wire braided Kimber Kable
Made using advanced braiding techniques, the four wire braided cables engineered with Kimber Kable are handcrafted to seamlessly handle high power and deliver ultimate sound performance.”

First time I’ve read that in this description. Looks like this one ships from Japan though. Does this model suffer from the outside of Japan 🇯🇵 volume cap and then with this particular unit shipping from Japan does it possibly circumvent that if so?

Great deal with Amazon return policy backing it if so.

I clicked on the link out of curiosity, and indeed, it's a good price for a used WM1Z. Just double check with that Japanese seller since it is 2nd hand dealer, and a regular Amazon return policy might not be applicable.
 

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