BobJS
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Just a technical note : $2K and less category, 64 Audio "U4s" and "U4S" both appear individually rather than being aggregated into U4s x 2
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Just a technical note : $2K and less category, 64 Audio "U4s" and "U4S" both appear individually rather than being aggregated into U4s x 2
Lol! Thanks for the respect. Go back to reading philosophy!You are old news!
theintention
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Easy fix, just add a new question that’s like “Most anticipated IEM” or “Favorite unreleased IEM”
dpeterfy32
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What is the technical difference between ca trifecta and Bonneville? I mean here the resolution, clarity, space, imaging.
Purely meant as a comedic remark, I hope I did not offend you!Lol! Thanks for the respect. Go back to reading philosophy!
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This is a mini Review for UM Multiverse Mentor
Disclaimer:
i am not a reviewer, just posting what i hear, based on what i have. keep in mind we all hear differently, and have different taste and requirement and extractions from our gear. i will try to make the review short, simple and direct. note i listen to J-pop mostly.
i will be Brutally Honest and won't Sugar Coat anything, i am not here to sell you the CIEM nor Cables , i am here to share my opinion.
Please keep opinions civilized, and remember, we all hear differently. its all Subjective by the end of the day.
Gear Used:
UM MM
iBasso 320 Max TI
Stock Cable
DH Mini Chimera Cable
DH Prion4 Cable
Tonally:
i think MM is on the fun side, warm and not all the way Neutral/Reference, it does a good job separating notes and creating 3D image, while keep you entertained with its unique and amazing dynamics, especially that you get to pin point most details and to enjoy all.
Bass:
Coming from CIEM BA based Bass MM left me confused at the start, this isn't typical BA at all, ofc thats what they were going for. the Bass were very fun, textured and have quantity actually but never bleeds into mids and treble at the same time.
typical BA at least on my 64 Audio A18s is Agile, Fast, very textured and the punch is stronger yet very small in quantity with different texture, so when i was getting used to the MM's bass it took time to actually convert me, and now i can't go back. reviews made me skeptical yet MM Bass won me over honestly.
Bass on MM is very fun, and thanks for MM's 3D nature, it made me pin points more details and enjoy that separation between notes, making me able to enjoy music further.
Mids:
Mids on MM is Slightly Forward from the Center to my ears at least, its feel like other notes are wrapped around the Vocals, 3D image, Holographic, Vocals and Upper mids are just right making me see that image of how bass, treble and everything else are revolving around the Vocal.
i really enjoy hearing female vocals on many tracks, so when i can hear them fully its part of the fun, depend on the track and singer, so that placement is not too forward to make you lose fun from bass and treble, nor its dead center making you wanting more from the vocalist. (depend on your needs)
there is hint of sweetness and lushness as well. yet i would say Vocals could use more of that and be smoother, so its a downside i see in mids (on this DAP at least)
Treble:
i am a Treble Head big time, i was very worried about the lack of Sparkle, especially that i listen mainly to J-pop
MM's Treble was there, yet its actually fun, because MM is a whole package, everything is done in a way to make the stage fun. Treble was extended yet surprisingly it didn't make me crave more all the way, because the rest of the show was that enjoyable, and MM is the only CIEM that made me not demand that Treble Sparkle to be there as much, even on stock cable.
Treble is Extended, Fun, with good Micro details, yet its enough quantity to tell you its there and entertain you, its never harsh or with any kind of glare. still as a Treble head i wish there was slightly more.
Sound Stage:
its Big enough to allow you to pin point details, hence why its called Multiverse, its bigger stage that my A18s and Annihilator 23 which makes me happy since honestly i like fuller sound and MM was very generous with it.
its this way to allow more pin pointing and 3D stage for MM do spread its magic in a bigger stage wowing the audience
Comparisons:
Annihilator 23:
the Annihilator is very Neutral compared to MM, and its Bass does an amazing job, ofc its a Dynamic Driver Bass, so i wasn't expecting a lot on MM's attempt on this. yet surpassingly MM Bass wasn't a sloth either, it hold its own weight and style and was good enough for the kind of music i listen too
Treble on Annihilator is amazing and fun, its Electrostatic driver after all, yet like explained earlier, MM's Treble and its nature is part of what MM trying to do, and even for a Treble head like me, it did deliver, while still i wish there was slightly more.
Mids on Annihilator 23 is where i decided i want another IEM, because i listen to jpop, and to me Annihilator's mids were taking a back seat, i wasn't able to enjoy female vocal's presentation, it was the price to pay for that amazing Bass and Treble.
64 Audio A18s:
MM win almost everything here, its a huge upgrade after all, yet one thing that A18s does better is Clarity and Control, but ofc it got less on its plate compared to the fuller MM.
i would say A18s Mids are smoother and cleaner too. its Neutral and Refence style CIEM by the end of the day.
Stock Cable:
the review you read is based on Stock Cable. i would be happy with stock cable it actually surprised me. yet when i tried other cables, i can understand why to some UM MM is boring, coming from Annihilator 23 for example. (based on what i read on this Thread) i did my research here before buying.
that being said, stock cable is really good, if you are having fun and MM give you what you need. no need to change it at all. honestly its a good cable. to many of us cable don't do any change, and some have good or bad synergy. we all hear differently.
one more note, 320 Max TI as a DAP + UM MM is never boring, its very fun imo.
DH Mini Chimera Cable:
This Cable is very good on my 64 Audio A18s. Synergy is Key, sadly not the case for MM
Bass and Treble good, but it bleeds into Vocals, which already changed from Tiny Forward to Slightly back from Center. it Ruined the Balance IMO.
DH Prion4 Cable (Former Flagship):
Extra Treble and made the IEM on the brighter side a little, thankfully i can't say no to Treble as long as it doesn't go too far and Ruin the balance, few Tracks wasn't as good with the added brightness.
Bass is Fun and Controller, more Textured yet Punch became slightly Less though. Cable added more clarity, speed and control too.
Mids, and Vocal because Centric, and took a small step vs its original position, but thats given since Bass and Treble had some boost.
i still don't think this cable got best Synergy for MM, since Vocals/Mids lost little magic yet again the IEM because more fun, especially coming from Annihilator 23, good addition for certain flavor nevertheless, i would add its too Bright when paired with MM.
still for the price, only get it if you want that U shape Fun sound sig alteration if you EDM Music is suffering from the ahhh i am bored Syndrome lol.
Pros: Amazing Treble/Bass (good to have if you have another cable that take care of mids/Vocals for you)
Cons: Slight Impact on Upper Mids/Vocals and making this IEM U shape with less Vocal Smoothness/Clarity, very bright for MM it get fatiguing fast.
Cable Synergy:
Cables that are more focused on Mids/Vocals and Warmth will have better synergy with MM in my opinion, while the other type will ruin MM's Balance and Harmony. not that these other cables are bad, its just certain IEMs need Certain cables that synergize with it better.
Stock cable have way more Synergy than the previous two cables, so i guess i need to start looking for the right cable if i wanted to upgrade stock cable.
Conclusion:
UM MM is an amazing CIEM, very happy with the purchase, with the right setup it feel very Desktop Quality became Portable, no wonder why IEM been so hype lately.
if I have to Describe UM MM in one line I would Say: Jack of all the Trade and Master of Some.
Disclaimer:
i am not a reviewer, just posting what i hear, based on what i have. keep in mind we all hear differently, and have different taste and requirement and extractions from our gear. i will try to make the review short, simple and direct. note i listen to J-pop mostly.
i will be Brutally Honest and won't Sugar Coat anything, i am not here to sell you the CIEM nor Cables , i am here to share my opinion.
Please keep opinions civilized, and remember, we all hear differently. its all Subjective by the end of the day.
Gear Used:
UM MM
iBasso 320 Max TI
Stock Cable
DH Mini Chimera Cable
DH Prion4 Cable
Tonally:
i think MM is on the fun side, warm and not all the way Neutral/Reference, it does a good job separating notes and creating 3D image, while keep you entertained with its unique and amazing dynamics, especially that you get to pin point most details and to enjoy all.
Bass:
Coming from CIEM BA based Bass MM left me confused at the start, this isn't typical BA at all, ofc thats what they were going for. the Bass were very fun, textured and have quantity actually but never bleeds into mids and treble at the same time.
typical BA at least on my 64 Audio A18s is Agile, Fast, very textured and the punch is stronger yet very small in quantity with different texture, so when i was getting used to the MM's bass it took time to actually convert me, and now i can't go back. reviews made me skeptical yet MM Bass won me over honestly.
Bass on MM is very fun, and thanks for MM's 3D nature, it made me pin points more details and enjoy that separation between notes, making me able to enjoy music further.
Mids:
Mids on MM is Slightly Forward from the Center to my ears at least, its feel like other notes are wrapped around the Vocals, 3D image, Holographic, Vocals and Upper mids are just right making me see that image of how bass, treble and everything else are revolving around the Vocal.
i really enjoy hearing female vocals on many tracks, so when i can hear them fully its part of the fun, depend on the track and singer, so that placement is not too forward to make you lose fun from bass and treble, nor its dead center making you wanting more from the vocalist. (depend on your needs)
there is hint of sweetness and lushness as well. yet i would say Vocals could use more of that and be smoother, so its a downside i see in mids (on this DAP at least)
Treble:
i am a Treble Head big time, i was very worried about the lack of Sparkle, especially that i listen mainly to J-pop
MM's Treble was there, yet its actually fun, because MM is a whole package, everything is done in a way to make the stage fun. Treble was extended yet surprisingly it didn't make me crave more all the way, because the rest of the show was that enjoyable, and MM is the only CIEM that made me not demand that Treble Sparkle to be there as much, even on stock cable.
Treble is Extended, Fun, with good Micro details, yet its enough quantity to tell you its there and entertain you, its never harsh or with any kind of glare. still as a Treble head i wish there was slightly more.
Sound Stage:
its Big enough to allow you to pin point details, hence why its called Multiverse, its bigger stage that my A18s and Annihilator 23 which makes me happy since honestly i like fuller sound and MM was very generous with it.
its this way to allow more pin pointing and 3D stage for MM do spread its magic in a bigger stage wowing the audience
Comparisons:
Annihilator 23:
the Annihilator is very Neutral compared to MM, and its Bass does an amazing job, ofc its a Dynamic Driver Bass, so i wasn't expecting a lot on MM's attempt on this. yet surpassingly MM Bass wasn't a sloth either, it hold its own weight and style and was good enough for the kind of music i listen too
Treble on Annihilator is amazing and fun, its Electrostatic driver after all, yet like explained earlier, MM's Treble and its nature is part of what MM trying to do, and even for a Treble head like me, it did deliver, while still i wish there was slightly more.
Mids on Annihilator 23 is where i decided i want another IEM, because i listen to jpop, and to me Annihilator's mids were taking a back seat, i wasn't able to enjoy female vocal's presentation, it was the price to pay for that amazing Bass and Treble.
64 Audio A18s:
MM win almost everything here, its a huge upgrade after all, yet one thing that A18s does better is Clarity and Control, but ofc it got less on its plate compared to the fuller MM.
i would say A18s Mids are smoother and cleaner too. its Neutral and Refence style CIEM by the end of the day.
Stock Cable:
the review you read is based on Stock Cable. i would be happy with stock cable it actually surprised me. yet when i tried other cables, i can understand why to some UM MM is boring, coming from Annihilator 23 for example. (based on what i read on this Thread) i did my research here before buying.
that being said, stock cable is really good, if you are having fun and MM give you what you need. no need to change it at all. honestly its a good cable. to many of us cable don't do any change, and some have good or bad synergy. we all hear differently.
one more note, 320 Max TI as a DAP + UM MM is never boring, its very fun imo.
DH Mini Chimera Cable:
This Cable is very good on my 64 Audio A18s. Synergy is Key, sadly not the case for MM
Bass and Treble good, but it bleeds into Vocals, which already changed from Tiny Forward to Slightly back from Center. it Ruined the Balance IMO.
DH Prion4 Cable (Former Flagship):
Extra Treble and made the IEM on the brighter side a little, thankfully i can't say no to Treble as long as it doesn't go too far and Ruin the balance, few Tracks wasn't as good with the added brightness.
Bass is Fun and Controller, more Textured yet Punch became slightly Less though. Cable added more clarity, speed and control too.
Mids, and Vocal because Centric, and took a small step vs its original position, but thats given since Bass and Treble had some boost.
i still don't think this cable got best Synergy for MM, since Vocals/Mids lost little magic yet again the IEM because more fun, especially coming from Annihilator 23, good addition for certain flavor nevertheless, i would add its too Bright when paired with MM.
still for the price, only get it if you want that U shape Fun sound sig alteration if you EDM Music is suffering from the ahhh i am bored Syndrome lol.
Pros: Amazing Treble/Bass (good to have if you have another cable that take care of mids/Vocals for you)
Cons: Slight Impact on Upper Mids/Vocals and making this IEM U shape with less Vocal Smoothness/Clarity, very bright for MM it get fatiguing fast.
Cable Synergy:
Cables that are more focused on Mids/Vocals and Warmth will have better synergy with MM in my opinion, while the other type will ruin MM's Balance and Harmony. not that these other cables are bad, its just certain IEMs need Certain cables that synergize with it better.
Stock cable have way more Synergy than the previous two cables, so i guess i need to start looking for the right cable if i wanted to upgrade stock cable.
Conclusion:
UM MM is an amazing CIEM, very happy with the purchase, with the right setup it feel very Desktop Quality became Portable, no wonder why IEM been so hype lately.
if I have to Describe UM MM in one line I would Say: Jack of all the Trade and Master of Some.
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I may not have mentioned this here before. If you want to try a desktop amp look at the HoloAudio Bliss. This is a very powerful amplifier that is also ultra quiet and can be used with IEMs. In fact, it might be one of the best amps available at any price to drive IEMs. While it has a 4.4 mm output as well for IEMs, the resistance is a touch higher. So also use the XLR out with an XLR to 4.4mm adapter ( always connect and disconnect the IEM from the adapter ONLY after removing the adapter from the amp. This is a practice that should be followed with any amplifier. ). These adapters are inexpensive and on amazon. Get the ones with no cable. The KTE version ( top version ) is $3400.00 and will also drive most any HP as it was designed with the Susvara in mind.
In the case of IEMs, it is not really that more power is needed to allow for them to scale up. It is the quality of the amplifier. I am not aware of any IEM that requires more than milliwatts of output. In the case of the Bliss you will have a fully Class A amplifier. This, along with its circuit design allows it to be of much higher quality than any dap or mobile unit.
As you can now also use HPs, try your Elite in this amp. Or even better try a Susvara or what wowed me at CanJam, the ZMF Atrium Closed on this amp. I have driven the amp fabulously with my N8 DAP in addition to Holo’s own May DAC. Enjoy.
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Not at all! I was laughing out loud. You never have to hesitate with me.
As i read trough this i remember many other IEM’s i could have mentioned, but forgot
Edit: Quoted wrong post, but anyway
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Simpeler
100+ Head-Fier
Very much appreciate the suggestion, Holo is hard to audition here. But I will be on the lookout for a place todo so. Or maybe a shop with great return policy
drftr
Headphoneus Supremus
Perhaps check Elise Audio whether they're bringing it to CanJam? They're the distributor and dealer in the UK I think.Very much appreciate the suggestion, Holo is hard to audition here. But I will be on the lookout for a place todo so. Or maybe a shop with great return policy
drftr
Simpeler
100+ Head-Fier
I see them on the show exhibitor’s list, nice ill contact them
Magna Hifi in Heiloo, 40 minutes from Amsterdam?Very much appreciate the suggestion, Holo is hard to audition here. But I will be on the lookout for a place todo so. Or maybe a shop with great return policy
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