The Opamp thread

Jul 30, 2016 at 7:52 PM Post #5,311 of 7,456
My pair of S3601 came in and now have a quad I can try on my RSA Apache. When I took out the V5s, I found 1 of the wires on the extension legs had broke. It had not died but just touched enough to work.

With no burn in the spaciousness of the music has increased by a significant amount. The female vocals are intimate on Karrin Allyson's "footprints".

Time to just kick back and listen.
 
Aug 1, 2016 at 4:21 PM Post #5,312 of 7,456
Hi Mike, it's good to be in the club :grin:

You have me searching my stash for the LT1612's again but must have paired them with amps I've sold over time...

I have LT1678's here aren't they the dual version that Ron used to include in his TopKit??
 
Aug 1, 2016 at 4:51 PM Post #5,313 of 7,456
Hi Mike, it's good to be in the club :grin:

You have me searching my stash for the LT1612's again but must have paired them with amps I've sold over time...

I have LT1678's here aren't they the dual version that Ron used to include in his TopKit??

 
Actually, I had referenced the Texas Instruments (Burr Brown) OPA1612 duals, which are also available as OPA1611 singles - the op-amp found in the original Meier Stepdance.
 
:-)
 
Aug 2, 2016 at 4:58 AM Post #5,314 of 7,456
Just received my SSV5OPAD this afternoon. So far they sound awesome. I believe some burning in is required, so I will amend the post when I know more.
 
I only have the stock opamps with me, I will try my best to describe the transition from stock to SSV5. I also assume you are familiar with the stock opamps. English is not my first language so my description may suck so bear with it :P
 
Setup:
Asus Xonar STX II
Audio Technica R70x - neutral sounding, relatively narrow sound stage.
 
Audio track:
Mountains (Interstellar OST)
Ghost Town (Adam Lambert)
A Stutter (Ólafur Arnalds)
好久不見 (楊永聰)
Lighthouse (Patrick Watson)
Heroes (Peter Gabriel)
01;41 (Ólafur Arnalds and Nils Frahm)
 
Original setup #1:
LPF Muses 8820
I/V 2x Muses 8920
 
Great low and mid. However I still find the mid and high a little lacking for tracks like Mountains and Ghost Town. The clarity is not there. There's no punch. So I decided to switch the I/V stage to 2x TI LME49720 to see how it goes.
 
Setup #2:
LPF Muses 8820
I/V 2x TI LME49720
 
Extremely loud volume. Tight and heavy bass. Lacking when it comes to details. After prolonged use I realised the mid and high from this combination is very harsh and tiring. Definitely not suitable for usage for more than an hour. Actually I wouldn't recommend this setup for anyone, it's probably bad for the ears 
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Setup #3:
LPF Muses 8920
I/V 2x Muses 8820
 
Everything sounds great and sound as it is. Smooth mid and high, great bass. No real complaints here. This is very similar to the #1 setup but less amped high.
 
Setup #4:
LPF SS V5 OPA-D
I/V 2x SS V5 OPA-D
 
The first thing I noticed about the change is cleanliness of the audio output and volume. Much cleaner and balanced volume. I tried a few more tracks, noticed a slightly wider sound stage on my R70x (almost non-existent before) and very detailed bass which I have never noticed before. Definitely noticed instruments I have never noticed before far in the background. Bass is less pronounce as compared to all setups above, less punchy but more detailed. Mid and high are well controlled as well, sounds a little warmer/mellower than before. Separation is a not a night and day difference than before but noticeably better. This setup is something you can listen to the whole day without feeling fatigued.
 
Conclusion:
It costs $250AUD(180USD), so is it worth the money? Yes and no. My have a sorta mixed feelings with the upgrade(definitely an upgrade, no question about that). My R70x is about 350USD on Amazon and STXII is 250USD. As of now my dac/amp setup costs more than headphones and I believe that's where the problem lies. If you are a user whose aim to get a soundcard or amp is to make your high impedance cans to work as it should, there is no need to upgrade to the SSV5s. It makes a difference. yes but not worth the 180USD difference. However if you were to use some higher end headphones regardless of impedance, the SSV5s should make a huge difference to you without getting a new setup.
 
Aug 4, 2016 at 9:10 PM Post #5,316 of 7,456
Well I Got my Burson V5i and well to put it short and quick they are going back.  They do bring out a slight bit more detail maybe..... But i cant stand that far away feeling they give, i dont know how that works but i dont like it.  It leaves me feeling distant from the music and it seems to take the fun out of listening at least for me.  Oh well they are not really needed anyway i ordered them to to upgrade my ZXR but then the modi multibit came out and well you know what happened there. 
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 12:05 PM Post #5,317 of 7,456
 
 


With a few millimeters to spare the sparko's fit in my Neco Soundlab V4 and gave me a reason to keep it. 
I need to change the gain to do dt880 600's more justice but sounds delightful.  The first thing I noticed was the
high's and how well the sparko's deal with them but that maybe because the dt880's live on my tube amp most
of the time. I'll give them a proper listen and report back.

 
They actually fit in there?  Nice.
 
Aug 5, 2016 at 11:33 PM Post #5,319 of 7,456
Have anyone tried the Earth Moon Sun something from Audio GD? They seems to be quite cheap

 
And discontinued.
I still have OPA Sun.  It is fun.  They all need upgrade decoupling capacitors, the stock Evox MKT suck majorly.  You can see more about that in audio-gd threads concerning the Compass (2009) and FUN amp/DAC combos and in this thread.
 
Aug 7, 2016 at 3:25 AM Post #5,321 of 7,456
Generally what will replacing a buffer with an opamp instead do for your main opamp upstream in the amp.... ?
 
Aug 10, 2016 at 6:06 PM Post #5,322 of 7,456

Burson V5i
 
First impressions without burnin in I/V in Xonar.
Full, smooth, liquid.
The original V5 SS was exceedingly detailed and sharp before burn in. This seems much mellower and softer.
(Das Grosse Erwachen – Annett Louisan) instruments not clearly distinguished. Voice right between ears and is lovely.
(Rehab – Amy Winehouse) muddled mess. Hard to distinguish instruments.
(L’Amor – Arianna Savall) Soft and gentle, missing micro detail. Veiled.
Makes me want to turn up the volume to catch that micro detail that I am used to. I can feel that much is missing. Muffled like when there is a haze vs a crisp cool day where you can see for miles.
The blackness of the V5 SS is ethereal and weightless. The V5i blackness is heavier, smaller.
 
Before burn in. Polite, no sibilance, good bass. Gets confused with many instruments of similar timbre.
Decay is not good. Bass quantity is good but wooly, indistinct.
 
Ok, after a little burn in:
Treble is finally coming up. Separation is becoming better. There is something not quite right in the mids. I feel like I’m straining to hear the pristine detail from the V5 SS.
Listening to Annett Louisan – Zu viel Information, there are sleigh bells or a tambourine but they sound like a bag of nuts right now.
I hope this is only burn in. Will let it burn more… more!!!
 
 
After sufficient burn in:
These are actually really good. The treble is clear, fast and detailed. The bass is full and thick. They are obviously better than average chip opamps. More dynamic, smoother and more detailed.
If you are wondering what to upgrade your JRC 2114 or 49720 or even the AD 797 and LME 49990 with and cost is a consideration, then go for the V5i. These are hands down better than those chips.
 
If price does not matter or you already have the big boy V5 SS then these are not for you.
 
Now, onto a problem that I have with the V5i.
My favorite headphone amp is a variation of “The Wire”. Signal comes in and goes straight to the I/V stage. The output goes straight into an LME 49600 buffer and goes straight to the headphones. No resistors or capacitors in the signal path with one caveat. I have a switch to enable or bypass input capacitors, depending what source I am using. If the source has any offset I use the caps, If no offset then no caps. DC coupled perfection. To my ears this sounds better than a circuit with a servo. Perhaps I am not good enough at implementing a good servo, but I swear a servo does not sound as clean or dynamic as a circuit without it.
So here is my first problem. The V5 SS give me 0.01 mv offset. The V5i produces a whopping 100mv for the two single V5i on an adapter and around 70 mv on a dual V5i. That is unacceptably high in my headphone amp. I have tried taming it with different resistor settings but based on the info in the data sheet, I don’t have the magic formula. (If anyone here can figure out the resistor settings, let me know and I’ll try them)
So anyone who does not have output capacitors or a servo needs to check their offset before hooking up headphones if you have a V5i in your headphone amp.
I understand that my particular amp is the most sensitive to this problem but I have not run into this kind of offset with any other opamp except the NE5534.
The norm for a chip opamp in my setup is around 3 mw. The V5SS is really phenomenal in this respect.
 
For me the V5 SS is the mike drop of all op amps. Since I put those in, there has not been one twitch towards the other opamps. I didn’t even think about them. Why would I want to pull out the V5 for any of those little chips?
V5i has me thinking about how to fix it again. I added the Silmic II caps and of course they helped but… once you are spoiled, then what?
 
Another small (non) issue is the lip on the metal cap. If you want to use two singles on an adapter, these will pose a problem. I ended up sanding the lip off so I could squeeze them together. However, there really is no reason to use two singles on an adapter. The dual already is two singles. No benefit to be had.
 
Anyone considering the V5i needs to be aware that burn in on these is painful. It is the opposite of the V5 SS. The V5 SS starts off as sharp, the trebles are piercing and need time to mellow. The V5i starts off as dull and this is really frustrating. It is a muddy, bass heavy mess until it burns in. Once you are there, the instrument placement is correct and the bass is clean. Give these at least 100 hours before listening critically. Otherwise you will just pull them out.
 
My conclusion: For their price range they are the best opamps. But if you spent any time with the V5 SS it will be very hard to live with the V5i. If you are moving up the opamp ladder, this is a significant improvement over the usual chip opamps. If space does not allow for V5 SS then (aside from Sparkos which I want to try out) the V5i will be your best bet.



 
Aug 14, 2016 at 11:44 PM Post #5,324 of 7,456
   
And discontinued.
I still have OPA Sun.  It is fun.  They all need upgrade decoupling capacitors, the stock Evox MKT suck majorly.  You can see more about that in audio-gd threads concerning the Compass (2009) and FUN amp/DAC combos and in this thread.

Very disheartening to hear. After I've got my Bursons and my Sparkos op-amp I really want to try all the expensive op-amps in the world.
 

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