[pfurey89]

This is why I haven’t placed my order yet, this is a big enough sale to wait it out. I sent my ear molds a head of time just in case I select the A18 Tzar. Has anyone here gotten Ultimate Ears UE 18+ Pro? How do they stack up against 64audio. I hear a lot of good things about them.

To my ears, 64 is as close to perfect as current market IEMs can get. I would stick with them as a brand over almost anything (I’ve yet to hear the LCD i4 though).

 

[scorp32]

This is why I haven’t placed my order yet, this is a big enough sale to wait it out. I sent my ear molds a head of time just in case I select the A18 Tzar. Has anyone here gotten Ultimate Ears UE 18+ Pro? How do they stack up against 64audio. I hear a lot of good things about them.

I had to buy through a different distributor due to 64 audio not being able to ship directly to China. I'm American, but married to a Chinese woman. Can't read any Chinese, but speak it well enough to get around, so I can't read anything on the Chinese websites, but I found a distributor, so I pulled the trigger and went for the Fourte's.. I've never listened to either the A18's nor the Fourte.

I've read enough posts claiming that they are totally worth the "blind" leap of faith. (fingers crossed)

 

[wldcohso]

I had to buy through a different distributor due to 64 audio not being able to ship directly to China. I'm American, but married to a Chinese woman. Can't read any Chinese, but speak it well enough to get around, so I can't read anything on the Chinese websites, but I found a distributor, so I pulled the trigger and went for the Fourte's.. I've never listened to either the A18's nor the Fourte.

I've read enough posts claiming that they are totally worth the "blind" leap of faith. (fingers crossed)

btw, it's been a while since I was on head-fi, but it seems I can't post anything on the "FOR SALE" forum. Anybody know why?

Please excuse me posting "off-topic."

Welcome back, you need to post more in order to sale in the classified section. Delete the sale portion of your message so that you don’t get flagged. You can’t post for sale items outside the classified section.

 

[scorp32]

Welcome back, you need to post more in order to sale in the classified section. Delete the sale portion of your message so that you don’t get flagged. You can’t post for sale items outside the classified section.

Thanks for giving me the heads up.. edited right away

 

[Ahmad313]

I’m trying to decide before next week. One day I really enjoy the Fourte but the next day I’m really enjoying U18 Tzar.

Yes, it is hard to decide which one is more tasty , Apple or Pineapple ,

 

[Wyville]

This is why I haven’t placed my order yet, this is a big enough sale to wait it out. I sent my ear molds a head of time just in case I select the A18 Tzar. Has anyone here gotten Ultimate Ears UE 18+ Pro? How do they stack up against 64audio. I hear a lot of good things about them.

If you have not read them yet, here are two reviews that might be of interest. They're by the same reviewer, so you can get a good reference with his A18 review for the UE18+ Pro review:
A18: http://theheadphonelist.com/rank-3-64-audio-a18/
UE18+ Pro: http://theheadphonelist.com/rank-8-ultimate-ears-ue18-pro/

Sadly I have only heard the U6, so I can't really comment on how the UE18+ compare with some of 64 Audio's line, but the UE18+ are at the top of my wish list. I heard them pretty much exactly as Nic's review and they are very natural, smooth and have amazing vocals. Still hope to be able to review the U10 or one of the new models at some point, as the U6 had quite a natural tone as well, especially with the M15 APEX modules and aftermarket cable.

 

[Sinusoid]

This is why I haven’t placed my order yet, this is a big enough sale to wait it out. I sent my ear molds a head of time just in case I select the A18 Tzar. Has anyone here gotten Ultimate Ears UE 18+ Pro? How do they stack up against 64audio. I hear a lot of good things about them.

If you care about pictures here is a measurement I did when comparing all UE and 64 Audio models. This is UE18 vs U18 lined up at 1khz. U18 is the darker fatter line, each horizontal line represents one db

 

[Sinusoid]

This is why I haven’t placed my order yet, this is a big enough sale to wait it out. I sent my ear molds a head of time just in case I select the A18 Tzar. Has anyone here gotten Ultimate Ears UE 18+ Pro? How do they stack up against 64audio. I hear a lot of good things about them.

And this graph is to compare UE18 with U12's lined up again at 1khz and U12 is the fatter pink line

 

[Gavin C4]

Really good review of the Tia Fourte from Pinky. Tried both U18T and Tia Fourte, both are great. with the U18 having the ability to be in the form of custom, I am definitely going for the A18. Really looking forward to the black Friday sale.

 

[twister6]

If you care about pictures here is a measurement I did when comparing all UE and 64 Audio models. This is UE18 vs U18 lined up at 1khz. U18 is the darker fatter line, each horizontal line represents one db

What is your measurement setup, coupler? sw? I captured nearly identical FR of U18t and U12 using Veritas coupler with StarTech usbaudio interface and ARTA sw.

 

[DWbirdseye]

Thanks to Barra I was a participant in the U18 Tzar and Tia Fourte tour. I've participated in other tours but due to having narrow ear canals I could rarely enjoy the I.E.M.s as the fit didn't accommodate my ears. This was not the case with these universals from 64 Audio.

My first experience with the Tzar and Fourte took place at the RMAF canjam outside of Denver in 2016. As most of you know who have attended these events, there are a lot of distractions which make it hard to fully evaluate your selections; however, this is not the case when you have an entire week with a tour kit. In 2016 when I first heard these I.E.M.s I was very impressed, and at the conclusion of the show I walked away thinking these were best of show. Well after spending countless hours with these I am even more impressed.

To my ears these 2 in-ears are very different and will appeal to differing tastes. To be upfront, I preferred the Tia Fourte. My music preferences tilt toward amplified music such as rock, hard rock, fusion, progressive jazz, etc..but on the other hand I enjoy acoustic based music with a strong emphasis on jazz. For me it's much easier to evaluate equipment based on these genres of music because I know intimately how these instruments should sound both amplified and unamplified. Amplified instruments are more of a challenge because there are many more variables such as tube vs. solid state amps, Fender guitars vs. Gibson, vs. Ibanez, etc... effects pedals, microphones, so on and so forth. One of the challenges for the listener is knowing something about the musicians and their recording preferences which invariably effects what we hear in the music. The drum kit is difficult to faithfully reproduce accurately, and is also one that covers a good part of the frequency range when cymbals are included. Cymbals can be a real pain to reproduce, and with the sheer volume of different sounding cymbals it is a challenge for the producer and listener alike. As an example, some drummers prefer e.q. in the studio which unnaturally effects the sound of the drums. As a listener it's hard to judge whether or not the I.E.M. has colored the sound, and if we didn't know the drums were heavily e.q.'d we would blame the I.E.M. for messing up the drum sound. With heavily processed music these concerns are minimized, which makes it very hard to evaluate the sound quality of an I.E.M. because the standards for judging are different as timbre, pitch, and imaging are less important., but slam, and the visceral impact of the presentation is important.

For my evaluation I focused on recordings that are well mastered, featuring musicians/drummers who will fight with engineers that want to impose their idea of what sounds good. The musicians know what they want but are always challenged by engineers who have a formula.

As I unpacked the tour kit the first box to greet my eyes was the U18 Tzar, and so I tried these first. Right off the bat I felt the bass was overly emphasized, so I switched out the apex module which immediately made a big difference. Now the music was presented in a more balanced way with the bass being prominent in the mix, but not terribly intrusive. The Tzar presents the music in a full bodied manner, while still maintaining good pin point imaging on a realistic sound stage. 3 dimensional imaging is present with good depth, while instruments are easily identified from left to right, front to back. Vocals are front and center as they should be, and identifying the words being sung is good. The problem I have with the U18, which is very minor, is the bass which I feel colored the lower mid range ever so slightly. The sound of the kick drum, and toms are rendered very nicely with realistic resonance. The toms are full with dimension, while the kick drum is impactful, and again very full bodied. The problem is that in creating what I would consider a very realistic sound, the decay of the instruments in that region lingers a little too long which slightly effects the clarity in the lower mid range. The same is true for the bass guitar, but here, the fullness adversely effects the texture of the bass, especially as it relates to the reproduction of an acoustic double bass. The fullness of sound extends through the frequency range where guitars sound good, but lack that last bit of definition, and articulation.

On the other hand, the Tia Fourte excels in the area of articulation, definition, airiness, resolution, and clarity. In comparison the U18 is only lacking because of the existence of the Fourte. Guitars, violins, and horns sound very good. As an example, when a guitarist picks at that first note, the leading edge of the note is very hard to reproduce, but not so with the Fourte. When a sax player blows into the horn to create that first note it sounds different than the sequence of notes that follow; here I'm talking about texture. When a jazz drummer rides the cymbals his cymbal strokes are what drives the rhythm. The definition, and articulation of the drum stick as it strikes the cymbal is both illuminating, and revealing. Hi-hat beats that I thought were quarter notes were in fact eighth notes. - The older jazz drummers typically used Zildjian K cymbals which are characterized by a dry sound with fast decay. While listening to an older recording featuring John Coltrane and Milton Jackson it became apparent that the drummer was using a Zildjian A cymbal as his ride cymbal, which was very rare 'as it produced a higher pitch with a longer decay; not a desirable trait back then. Moving down the scale, kick drums, and toms didn't quite have the natural resonance of the U18, but bass guitar was more textured with better note articulation. Vocals were very good with lyrics easily discerned. The sound stage is nice and wide, but not as deep as the U18, The imaging with the Forte is sharp, and focused with better spacing, or air between the instruments.

In conclusion, both monitors are excellent and will appeal to a wide variety of listeners. I personally prefer the Fourte because I feel like I'm hearing what the engineer probably heard - with every detail highlighted in an open airy environment, but presented in a very cohesive, non clinical way. Dare I say musical. When listening to instruments I feel like I'm right there on stage with the musicians, particularly in terms of tone and pitch. I also think the implementation, and execution of Tia is better in the Fourte. However, I think the U18 will appeal to a wider audience with its ability to switch out the apex modules offering big bass for those that like music where the bass is significantly heightened. You know, I have a confession to make, I didn't want to write down my impressions for fear that I would be forced to empty my wallet as I confirmed my thoughts and feelings. Oh well.

Last edited: Yesterday at 2:51 PM

 

[PinkyPowers]

Thanks to Barra I was a participant in the U18 Tzar and Tia Fourte tour. I've participated in other tours but due to having narrow ear canals I could rarely enjoy the I.E.M.s as the fit didn't accommodate my ears. This was not the case with these universals from 64 Audio.

My first experience with the Tzar and Fourte took place at the RMAF canjam outside of Denver in 2016. As most of you know who have attended these events, there are a lot of distractions which make it hard to fully evaluate your selections; however, this is not the case when you have an entire week with a tour kit. In 2016 when I first heard these I.E.M.s I was very impressed, and at the conclusion of the show I walked away thinking these were best of show. Well after spending countless hours with these I am even more impressed.

To my ears these 2 in-ears are very different and will appeal to differing tastes. To be upfront, I preferred the Tia Fourte. My music preferences tilt toward amplified music such as rock, hard rock, fusion, progressive jazz, etc..but on the other hand I enjoy acoustic based music with a strong emphasis on jazz. For me it's much easier to evaluate equipment based on these genres of music because I know intimately how these instruments should sound both amplified and unamplified. Amplified instruments are more of a challenge because there are many more variables such as tube vs. solid state amps, Fender guitars vs. Gibson, vs. Ibanez, etc... effects pedals, microphones, so on and so forth. One of the challenges for the listener is knowing something about the musicians and their recording preferences which invariably effects what we hear in the music. The drum kit is difficult to faithfully reproduce accurately, and is also one that covers a good part of the frequency range when cymbals are included. Cymbals can be a real pain to reproduce, and with the sheer volume of different sounding cymbals it is a challenge for the producer and listener alike. As an example, some drummers prefer e.q. in the studio which unnaturally effects the sound of the drums. As a listener it's hard to judge whether or not the I.E.M. has colored the sound, and if we didn't know the drums were heavily e.q.'d we would blame the I.E.M. for messing up the drum sound. With heavily processed music these concerns are minimized, which makes it very hard to evaluate the sound quality of an I.E.M. because the standards for judging are different as timbre, pitch, and imaging are less important., but slam, and the visceral impact of the presentation is important.

For my evaluation I focused on recordings that are well mastered, featuring musicians/drummers who will fight with engineers that want to impose their idea of what sounds good. The musicians know what they want but are always challenged by engineers who have a formula.

As I unpacked the tour kit the first box to greet my eyes was the U18 Tzar, and so I tried these first. Right off the bat I felt the bass was overly emphasized, so I switched out the apex module which immediately made a big difference. Now the music was presented in a more balanced way with the bass being prominent in the mix, but not terribly intrusive. The Tzar presents the music in a full bodied manner, while still maintaining good pin point imaging on a realistic sound stage. 3 dimensional imaging is present with good depth, while instruments are easily identified from left to right, front to back. Vocals are front and center as they should be, and identifying the words being sung is good. The problem I have with the U18, which is very minor, is the bass which I feel colored the lower mid range ever so slightly. The sound of the kick drum, and toms are rendered very nicely with realistic resonance. The toms are full with dimension, while the kick drum is impactful, and again very full bodied. The problem is that in creating what I would consider a very realistic sound, the decay of the instruments in that region lingers a little too long which slightly effects the clarity in the lower mid range. The same is true for the bass guitar, but here, the fullness adversely effects the texture of the bass, especially as it relates to the reproduction of an acoustic double bass. The fullness of sound extends through the frequency range where guitars sound good, but lack that last bit of definition, and articulation.

On the other hand, the Tia Fourte excels in the area of articulation, definition, airiness, resolution, and clarity. In comparison the U18 is only lacking because of the existence of the Fourte. Guitars, violins, and horns sound very good. As an example, when a guitarist picks at that first note, the leading edge of the note is very hard to reproduce, but not so with the Fourte. When a sax player blows into the horn to create that first note it sounds different than the sequence of notes that follow; here I'm talking about texture. When a jazz drummer rides the cymbals his cymbal strokes are what drives the rhythm. The definition, and articulation of the drum stick as it strikes the cymbal is both illuminating, and revealing. Hi-hat beats that I thought were quarter notes were in fact eighth notes. - The older jazz drummers typically used Zildjian K cymbals which are characterized by a dry sound with fast decay. While listening to an older recording featuring John Coltrane and Milton Jackson it became apparent that the drummer was using a Zildjian A cymbal as his ride cymbal, which was very rare 'as it produced a higher pitch with a longer decay; not a desirable trait back then. Moving down the scale, kick drums, and toms didn't quite have the natural resonance of the U18, but bass guitar was more textured with better note articulation. Vocals were very good with lyrics easily discerned. The sound stage is nice and wide, but not as deep as the U18, The imaging with the Forte is sharp, and focused with better spacing, or air between the instruments.

In conclusion, both monitors are excellent and will appeal to a wide variety of listeners. I personally prefer the Fourte because I feel like I'm hearing what the engineer probably heard - with every detail highlighted in an open airy environment, but presented in a very cohesive, non clinical way. Dare I say musical. When listening to instruments I feel like I'm right there on stage with the musicians, particularly in terms of tone and pitch. I also think the implementation, and execution of Tia is better in the Fourte. However, I think the U18 will appeal to a wider audience with its ability to switch out the apex modules offering big bass for those that like music where the bass is significantly heightened. You know, I have a confession to make, I didn't want to write down my impressions for fear that I would be forced to empty my wallet as I confirmed my thoughts and feelings. Oh well.

Last edited: Yesterday at 2:51 PM

Good write-up. Thanks for sharing!

 

[wldcohso]

Thanks to Barra I was a participant in the U18 Tzar and Tia Fourte tour. I've participated in other tours but due to having narrow ear canals I could rarely enjoy the I.E.M.s as the fit didn't accommodate my ears. This was not the case with these universals from 64 Audio.

My first experience with the Tzar and Fourte took place at the RMAF canjam outside of Denver in 2016. As most of you know who have attended these events, there are a lot of distractions which make it hard to fully evaluate your selections; however, this is not the case when you have an entire week with a tour kit. In 2016 when I first heard these I.E.M.s I was very impressed, and at the conclusion of the show I walked away thinking these were best of show. Well after spending countless hours with these I am even more impressed.

To my ears these 2 in-ears are very different and will appeal to differing tastes. To be upfront, I preferred the Tia Fourte. My music preferences tilt toward amplified music such as rock, hard rock, fusion, progressive jazz, etc..but on the other hand I enjoy acoustic based music with a strong emphasis on jazz. For me it's much easier to evaluate equipment based on these genres of music because I know intimately how these instruments should sound both amplified and unamplified. Amplified instruments are more of a challenge because there are many more variables such as tube vs. solid state amps, Fender guitars vs. Gibson, vs. Ibanez, etc... effects pedals, microphones, so on and so forth. One of the challenges for the listener is knowing something about the musicians and their recording preferences which invariably effects what we hear in the music. The drum kit is difficult to faithfully reproduce accurately, and is also one that covers a good part of the frequency range when cymbals are included. Cymbals can be a real pain to reproduce, and with the sheer volume of different sounding cymbals it is a challenge for the producer and listener alike. As an example, some drummers prefer e.q. in the studio which unnaturally effects the sound of the drums. As a listener it's hard to judge whether or not the I.E.M. has colored the sound, and if we didn't know the drums were heavily e.q.'d we would blame the I.E.M. for messing up the drum sound. With heavily processed music these concerns are minimized, which makes it very hard to evaluate the sound quality of an I.E.M. because the standards for judging are different as timbre, pitch, and imaging are less important., but slam, and the visceral impact of the presentation is important.

For my evaluation I focused on recordings that are well mastered, featuring musicians/drummers who will fight with engineers that want to impose their idea of what sounds good. The musicians know what they want but are always challenged by engineers who have a formula.

As I unpacked the tour kit the first box to greet my eyes was the U18 Tzar, and so I tried these first. Right off the bat I felt the bass was overly emphasized, so I switched out the apex module which immediately made a big difference. Now the music was presented in a more balanced way with the bass being prominent in the mix, but not terribly intrusive. The Tzar presents the music in a full bodied manner, while still maintaining good pin point imaging on a realistic sound stage. 3 dimensional imaging is present with good depth, while instruments are easily identified from left to right, front to back. Vocals are front and center as they should be, and identifying the words being sung is good. The problem I have with the U18, which is very minor, is the bass which I feel colored the lower mid range ever so slightly. The sound of the kick drum, and toms are rendered very nicely with realistic resonance. The toms are full with dimension, while the kick drum is impactful, and again very full bodied. The problem is that in creating what I would consider a very realistic sound, the decay of the instruments in that region lingers a little too long which slightly effects the clarity in the lower mid range. The same is true for the bass guitar, but here, the fullness adversely effects the texture of the bass, especially as it relates to the reproduction of an acoustic double bass. The fullness of sound extends through the frequency range where guitars sound good, but lack that last bit of definition, and articulation.

On the other hand, the Tia Fourte excels in the area of articulation, definition, airiness, resolution, and clarity. In comparison the U18 is only lacking because of the existence of the Fourte. Guitars, violins, and horns sound very good. As an example, when a guitarist picks at that first note, the leading edge of the note is very hard to reproduce, but not so with the Fourte. When a sax player blows into the horn to create that first note it sounds different than the sequence of notes that follow; here I'm talking about texture. When a jazz drummer rides the cymbals his cymbal strokes are what drives the rhythm. The definition, and articulation of the drum stick as it strikes the cymbal is both illuminating, and revealing. Hi-hat beats that I thought were quarter notes were in fact eighth notes. - The older jazz drummers typically used Zildjian K cymbals which are characterized by a dry sound with fast decay. While listening to an older recording featuring John Coltrane and Milton Jackson it became apparent that the drummer was using a Zildjian A cymbal as his ride cymbal, which was very rare 'as it produced a higher pitch with a longer decay; not a desirable trait back then. Moving down the scale, kick drums, and toms didn't quite have the natural resonance of the U18, but bass guitar was more textured with better note articulation. Vocals were very good with lyrics easily discerned. The sound stage is nice and wide, but not as deep as the U18, The imaging with the Forte is sharp, and focused with better spacing, or air between the instruments.

In conclusion, both monitors are excellent and will appeal to a wide variety of listeners. I personally prefer the Fourte because I feel like I'm hearing what the engineer probably heard - with every detail highlighted in an open airy environment, but presented in a very cohesive, non clinical way. Dare I say musical. When listening to instruments I feel like I'm right there on stage with the musicians, particularly in terms of tone and pitch. I also think the implementation, and execution of Tia is better in the Fourte. However, I think the U18 will appeal to a wider audience with its ability to switch out the apex modules offering big bass for those that like music where the bass is significantly heightened. You know, I have a confession to make, I didn't want to write down my impressions for fear that I would be forced to empty my wallet as I confirmed my thoughts and feelings. Oh well.

Last edited: Yesterday at 2:51 PM

Nice write up, your review definitely helps. Today I loving the Fourte...

 

[DWbirdseye]

Good write-up. Thanks for sharing!

You bet! It just so happens I read your review no more than 2 minutes ago, and my sincere compliments to you. I love your descriptors, and imagery as you paint your picture of the sound qualities of the Fourte. It truly is that good!

 

[PinkyPowers]

You bet! It just so happens I read your review no more than 2 minutes ago, and my sincere compliments to you. I love your descriptors, and imagery as you paint your picture of the sound qualities of the Fourte. It truly is that good!

Thanks, man. I put in a little more effort than I usually do. Felt these deserved it, ya know?