[AndrewFischer]

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Originally Posted by Edwood OK, then lets compare Apples to apples, shall we? [size=small]PC[/size] Fujitsu 17inch WIDE SCREEN HIGH DEFINITION LCD TFT MONITOR VL-15DX7 Details: -17inch FUJITSU VL-15DX7 WIDE 400:1 -CONTRAST 40CD/M-BRIGHTNESS STEREO SPEAKERS DVI-DIGITAL CONECTOR Part - TFUJVL15DX7 $359 Microsoft (Keyboards) -Wireless Optical Desktop Keyboard + Mouse for Bluetooth M54-00004 $78.00 ..................... $ So that leaves a savings of $460.03 you can spend on a virtually silent Zalman Reserator and other extras. You could go with a small Shuttle XPC too. Or upgrade some of the components for a faster computer. As for the new iMac, it all depends if you are willing to pay more than a 50% premium for space and style. -Ed

That's a fair comparison. I'm glad to see you quoted a high quality display and keyboard. I don't like listening to music sitting next to a vacuum cleaner. I'd add in some Zalman low noise coolers and a quiet case. The PC still comes out about $350 less. That's enough money for a DIY head-amp, a good set of phones or a DIY DAC.


Mac or PC? I don't care. They both run iTunes

 

[Sphinx]

Just curious Ed, where did you get them prices from there very good

 

[shimage]

Those are really good prices... I'd like to know where you priced that as well... If it was online, you gotta tack on shipping to that, though I suppose that tax on the locally acquired stuff more than makes up for it (damn 9% sales tax...).

Why is this thread still open?

 

[kugino]

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Originally Posted by Edwood OK, then lets compare Apples to apples, shall we? [size=small]PC[/size] Fujitsu 17inch WIDE SCREEN HIGH DEFINITION LCD TFT MONITOR VL-15DX7 Details: -17inch FUJITSU VL-15DX7 WIDE 400:1 -CONTRAST 40CD/M-BRIGHTNESS STEREO SPEAKERS DVI-DIGITAL CONECTOR Part - TFUJVL15DX7 $359 Microsoft (Keyboards) -Wireless Optical Desktop Keyboard + Mouse for Bluetooth M54-00004 $78.00 $226 - Athlon 64 3000 with motherboard, cpu, and fan. AMD Athlon XP 2000 Barebones Computer; Athlon XP Mainboard; CPU CPU + Fan + Motherboard + 10-Bays Supper Case + 300Watt AMD Power Supply $110.00 Generic 256MB PC3200 DDR Memory $26.97 AGPTEK Geforce FX 5200 AGP 128MB Video Card with DVI and Tv out bulk -Dual Head- $54.00 Maxtor 80.0GB Serial ATA 7200RPM with 8MB Buffer $63.00 Panasonic (CD Recorders) - PANASONIC Slot Loading DVD-ROM and CD-RW Combo Drive Model CW-8123-B OEM -CW-8123-B 24X CD-R 24X CD-RW.Read Speeds: 24X CDROM 8X DVD-ROM. Reads: DVD-RAM DVD-R and DVD-RW $73.00 Microsoft Windows XP Home Full OEM software version. Includes full hologram CD product key EULA(license) and QuickStart Guide. $75.00 Total Cost = $838.97 [size=small]New iMac[/size] 17-inch widescreen LCD 1.6GHz PowerPC G5 512K L2 cache 533MHz frontside bus 256MB DDR400 SDRAM NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR video memory 80GB Serial ATA hard drive Slot-load Combo Drive Total Cost = $1,299.00 So that leaves a savings of $460.03 you can spend on a virtually silent Zalman Reserator and other extras. You could go with a small Shuttle XPC too. Or upgrade some of the components for a faster computer. As for the new iMac, it all depends if you are willing to pay more than a 50% premium for space and style. -Ed

yup - what proglife said. you're still running windows, no matter what specs you've got. sorry, that's just not acceptable.

 

[es2mac]

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Originally Posted by Edwood As for the new iMac, it all depends if you are willing to pay more than a 50% premium for space and style.

That's a great & fair statement... and there're so many willing people as well.

So does this thing fits the description of a good computer-as-source machine or not, with/without the digital out and price no objection?




p.s. sorry about jumping in like this for a first post

 

[proglife]

I don't think anyone knows...they haven't started shipping yet. For my dollars, if I were SERIOUS about Computer as Source, I'd spend my money on a G4 400 tower and load it up with hard drives, ram and some bit perfect digital out (card or AirTunes).

 

[Edwood]

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Originally Posted by Sphinx Just curious Ed, where did you get them prices from there very good

www.pricewatch.com

shipping is usually included. Tax never is, so you have to watch out for that.

-Ed

 

[Edwood]

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Originally Posted by shimage Why is this thread still open?

That's a good question.


-Ed

 

[MD1032]

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Originally Posted by PooJou a $1700 computer that runs: 1) 256mb ram 2) 80gb hdd 3) 64mb FX5200ultra Yay?

Yeah, that IS complete crap, but then again, the entire computer is the size of a dang flat-screen monitor!

 

[lan]

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Originally Posted by es2mac So does this thing fits the description of a good computer-as-source machine or not, with/without the digital out and price no objection?

Well as long as the better soundcards and software are on Windows then no.

 

[AndrewFischer]

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Originally Posted by Edwood OK, then lets compare Apples to apples, shall we? Total Cost = $1,299.00 So that leaves a savings of $460.03 you can spend on a virtually silent Zalman Reserator and other extras. You could go with a small Shuttle XPC too. Or upgrade some of the components for a faster computer. As for the new iMac, it all depends if you are willing to pay more than a 50% premium for space and style. -Ed

I'm suprised no one has mentioned Panel Computers. The have been around much longer than the new iMac. Panel Computers are PCs in a all-in-one configuration. They are either open frame or in a VESA mount much like the new iMac. Touch screens are common. The are mostly used in special purpose applications like Kiosks and Medical equiptment. Prices are in the $1000 to $2500 range.

Google Panel PC to find them.

 

[D-EJ915]

I remember computers like that, they were made by monorail, do they still exist?

 

[Edwood]

Yes, they have existed for quite some time with industrial computer companies.

http://www.advantech.com.tw/products...id=1-D6H7X&PD=

http://www.technoland.com/tl_ppc170_p4.htm
http://www.arbor.com.tw/products/ppc.htm

Most of them are much thicker compared to the new iMac.

As with all their products, Apple has not created something no one has ever done before, but has made it more stylish and compact.

From a technological standpoint, Apple does not innovate, but Apple does often take the lead in Industrial Design.

Like it or not, if it wasn't for the original iMac, most PC's would still be beige and boring. (thank goodness they are not all fruity colors) I may not ever personally buy a Mac, but I am glad they exist to give PC OEM's a kick in the design butt.

-Ed

 

[Edwood]

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Originally Posted by D-EJ915 I remember computers like that, they were made by monorail, do they still exist?

Nope. They are long gone. Originally introduced in 1996. But everything old is new again.

http://www.monorailcomputer.org/

-Ed

 

[Imyourzero]

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Originally Posted by kugino yup - what proglife said. you're still running windows, no matter what specs you've got. sorry, that's just not acceptable.

What an intelligent retort.

If OSX was so great...no, let me rephrase that:

If Windows was so terrible, Apple would have more than the 3-5% market share that it currently holds. Windows works just fine for me and for MILLIONS of other PC users. If it was as awful as you make it seem, people would abandon it and just run Linux or switch to Mac+OSX, regardless of the consequences (such as software support).

OSX may be great, but Windows has MUCH more available software. Oh, and then there is the added bonus of better performance with a decently built PC. I'm sure the software that is available for a Mac is trendy and pretty just like everything else Apple, but when there are only a few programs available...sorry, that's just not acceptable.