The FiiO X3 2nd gen (ex X3K, X3II) Thread : 192K/24B, CS4398,Native DSD, USB DAC with LO and inline remote

[Light - Man]

Hidizs looks great but can it be used as usb DAC?

 

 
The lowest I've seen here was about $275 Canadian and now the lowest is $350 Canadian on Mp4 Nation. Is there a newer version of the AP100 out? I though I heard mention of that. It does look interesting but I can't really afford it right now just after purchasing the X3II but maybe in a few months I'll consider it again.

No doubt the the X3ii is a bargain and so is the X1 all DAP's need serious burn in time, I leave mine (when burning in) plugged in charging and run it 24/7 when not using it.
 
I was talking $US and deals only come up now and then. I just wanted to metion alternatives to fellow heads. I am also tempted to get an X3ii but I dont need any more DAP's LOL.
 
Enjoy your X3ii but be patient re burn in time.

 

[Light - Man]

   
Sorry mate - your posts started losing credibility when you posted this ........

Hi Brooko, I take it you dont believe in burn in.  Perhaps we should agree to disagree about that. 

 

[nmatheis]

Fiio certainly doesn't emphasize it, but iBasso sure does. DX90 comes complete with a dedicated burnin cable and recommendation to burn in for 100's of hours to fully form the caps.

 

[Reality]

I have never understood those that say burn in makes no difference and there is no audible difference between mp3 and hi res. Maybe they have listened too music to loud for too long and no longer hear the highs and the lows in the audio spectrum. Jittter makes a huge difference
as well. If burn in didn't matter, why would so many manufacturers recommend it?   I don't believe in spending thousands on speaker cables and interconnects but I do believe there is a difference between using a lamp cord verses a large gauge well shielded cable. My 2 cents. Thanks. 

 

[PSORngr]

Got my goodies in today. Charging it now. Then I'll get to see how it works with the E12 I got in two days ago and the AKG Q701's. Started the burn in (well, I'm listening to them) on the headphones. Gotta say, I'm surprised by the amount of leakage open headphones have. I didn't think they'd be any more than the PortaPros I've had for years. Hopefully they pair well with the X3ii, granted I probably won't be able to really tell since I'd imagine it's pretty much guaranteed to sound better than the PortaPro / J3 combo I've had for the past four and half years.

 

[Skullbox]

Sorry mate - your posts started losing credibility when you posted this ........

 

[Soundsgoodtome]

  I have never understood those that say burn in makes no difference and there is no audible difference between mp3 and hi res. Maybe they have listened too music to loud for too long and no longer hear the highs and the lows in the audio spectrum. Jittter makes a huge difference
as well. If burn in didn't matter, why would so many manufacturers recommend it?   I don't believe in spending thousands on speaker cables and interconnects but I do believe there is a difference between using a lamp cord verses a large gauge well shielded cable. My 2 cents. Thanks. 

No need to get defensive as people are entitled to their opinions nor say things like people have hearing damage. I for one do believe in electronics burn-in, experienced it more times than not. Driver burn-in is real as well, cable burn-in I'm a bit skeptical in and never really heard that.

Anyways, a lot of manufacturers do have a test bench that they let their electronics run for a period of time before sending them out. Audio-GD is one of them, running all gear at least 100hrs and their top end gear for 200hrs. This is of course to make sure the unit is properly working as most faults will show within the first 24-48hrs usually but they do mention that to sound as they are intended that the user put another 100hrs on top of the 100 they had on the bench.
 
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But to say things like this is ignorant. If you don't believe in burn-in that's fine, your brain adjusts very well with perception and memory. Or maybe you've had gear that never benefited from burn-in. Who knows.
 

   
Sorry mate - your posts started losing credibility when you posted this ........

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

  They all need at least 24 hours burn in time to be any good. Ideally 100-200 hours at least to sound near its best.
 
Good sound only comes to he who waits!!! lol      
 
Be patient!

 

 

[Brooko]

  Hi Brooko, I take it you dont believe in burn in.  Perhaps we should agree to disagree about that. 

 
I don't want to start a debate on it - but unless you have conclusive proof - ie measurements, that clearly show that the X3ii will improve after a recommended 100-200 hours burn in - then statements like this:
 

 They all need at least 24 hours burn in time to be any good. Ideally 100-200 hours at least to sound near its best.

 
Should be written like this:
 

 IMO, they all need at least 24 hours burn in time to be any good. Ideally 100-200 hours at least to sound near its best to me.

 

[originalsnuffy]

Brooko.

You keep asking for conclusive proof when in reality most of our hobby is ultimately subjective.

To me the fact that you listen to bit reduced music is surprising. In fact I wonder why you listen to hi if dap units. Would not it be a better idea to use your phone and an amp?

Yes I am trying to tweak you a bit but sometimes methinks you doth protest too much

 

[MUG3NHC]

I don't want to start a debate on it - but unless you have conclusive proof - ie measurements, that clearly show that the X3ii will improve after a recommended 100-200 hours burn in - then statements like this:


Should be written like this:

You're being a "bit" anal...

 

[Brooko]

  But to say things like this is ignorant. If you don't believe in burn-in that's fine, your brain adjusts very well with perception and memory. Or maybe you've had gear that never benefited from burn-in. Who knows.

 
Just so I know - were you referring to my post as "ignorant"?
 
I don't want to trample on anyone's belief system - and if burn-in makes you happy personally - go for it.
 
But stating it as fact (being clearly audible under real world conditions), without being able to supply empirical evidence, is simply not going to stand up. To my knowledge - while it exists in speakers (mechanical - the spider actual breaks/cracks), headphones have no spider.  The only empirical controlled tests I'm aware of are the ones done by Tyll.  Because of his measurements I'm more than happy to entertain the fact that something is happening.  But after 100's of hours, the changes were so minute that claims of big audible changes are quite frankly far fetched.
 
Again - I'm OK with the thought that caps may require a burn-in period (is it audible - I honestly don't know).  But 100-200 hours?  Come on - even you would have a hard time believing that - right?
 
Anyway - this topic has gone OT enough.  Yes I'm a skeptic. If anyone wants to continue the discussion, feel free top open a thread in sound science. or PM me.
 
Back to the X3ii.

 

[Brooko]

You're being a "bit" anal...

 
Thanks for the insult - please refer Head-Fi's TOS.  I believe you just contravened it .....

 

[MUG3NHC]

Thanks for the insult - please refer Head-Fi's TOS.  I believe you just contravened it .....

I don't believe that was an insult.
It's a psychological term.
Basically it is about people who are obsessively perfectionist.
Thank you.

 

[Brooko]

Brooko.

You keep asking for conclusive proof when in reality most of our hobby is ultimately subjective.

To me the fact that you listen to bit reduced music is surprising. In fact I wonder why you listen to hi if dap units. Would not it be a better idea to use your phone and an amp?

Yes I am trying to tweak you a bit but sometimes methinks you doth protest too much

 
Isn't it funny - people are allowed to make unsubstantiated claims about anything they want on this site - and as soon as you ask for a little proof, the insults and the innuendo start flying.  Here's the rub.  What we like may be subjective - but a lot of what we claim can actually be measured.
 
Why is it that audiophiles go to extreme measures to have debates regarding things like DAC chip specs, frequency response charts, THD measurements - and yet when a person questions something that is measurable, the hobby suddenly becomes "subjective", and the person questioning it is labeled "ignorant", or "anal" etc.
 
Again - I don't want to take this off topic.  I wasn't the one making the claim.  If anyone wants to properly discuss this - lets start a thread in Sound Science .....

 

[Skyfall]

If anyone knows where I can get a strap or an armband like an Ipod for X3ii please share.
Need this for the Gym.