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Just to clarify, you like it because it improves sound in a way that you like? Or is it because it feels physically more robust?
The Ethernet cables, Switches and Network related sound thread. Share your listening experience only.
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Just to clarify, you like it because it improves sound in a way that you like? Or is it because it feels physically more robust?
New here so I’m sorry if this has been discussed.
Currently improving my network, streamlining components, reducing conversions, reducing jitter and all types of distortion as I guess many here are.
I wondering if any here have any experience with using a wireless router with SFP port INSTEAD of the typical fiber media convertors
(FMC) on the “dirty side”.
This would reduce a FMC and powersupply.
Anyone doing this? Any wireless routers recommended with an SFP port?
Prime day has the Asus RT-ax89x in my cart ready to go lol.
Clean side on my system is handled by the Teradak OXCO T-S212
Currently improving my network, streamlining components, reducing conversions, reducing jitter and all types of distortion as I guess many here are.
I wondering if any here have any experience with using a wireless router with SFP port INSTEAD of the typical fiber media convertors
(FMC) on the “dirty side”.
This would reduce a FMC and powersupply.
Anyone doing this? Any wireless routers recommended with an SFP port?
Prime day has the Asus RT-ax89x in my cart ready to go lol.
Clean side on my system is handled by the Teradak OXCO T-S212
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teknorob23
Member of the Trade: Network Acoustics
yes you can use the SFP port on your router using something like the finisar fclf8521p2btl active copper sfp module and running a copper ethernet cable to your streamer, but in my experience its better to insert a dedicated switch closer to your streamer rather than connect directly to your router. Routers are inherently "noisy" producing a lot of their own high-frequency noise as well acting as a hub for all the crap coming from other connected devices around your home network. The network switch positioned close to your streamer (there are plenty of relatively inexpensive switches offering SFP ports).
Obvs proof is in the hearing so try running straight from your router and compare the performance to doing the same but having switch in the chain using the same SFP connections. The sonic differences should hopefully be obvious.
Keeping your network chain as simple as possible is definitely the right direction to be heading in and avoiding fibre and other conversions is very good idea as these active processes generate and emit high-frequency interference picked up from their power supplies and internal powered processes.
Router > good lan cable > Dedicated network switch with uprated PSU (sfp out if you like) > your best lan cable > Streamer
My suggestion would be focus your spend on the switch not the router and get it as close to your hifi and as far from your router as possible and that SFP's are definitely worth experimenting with as long as your streamer is capable of taking a gigabit connection (some like naim are hardwired at 100mb/s).
This is my current setup - just for inspiration:
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Maybe I wasn’t clear enough here so I apologize.yes you can use the SFP port on your router using something like the finisar fclf8521p2btl active copper sfp module and running a copper ethernet cable to your streamer, but in my experience its better to insert a dedicated switch closer to your streamer rather than connect directly to your router. Routers are inherently "noisy" producing a lot of their own high-frequency noise as well acting as a hub for all the crap coming from other connected devices around your home network. The network switch positioned close to your streamer (there are plenty of relatively inexpensive switches offering SFP ports).
Obvs proof is in the hearing so try running straight from your router and compare the performance to doing the same but having switch in the chain using the same SFP connections. The sonic differences should hopefully be obvious.
Keeping your network chain as simple as possible is definitely the right direction to be heading in and avoiding fibre and other conversions is very good idea as these active processes generate and emit high-frequency interference picked up from their power supplies and internal powered processes.
Router > good lan cable > Dedicated network switch with uprated PSU (sfp out if you like) > your best lan cable > Streamer
My suggestion would be focus your spend on the switch not the router and get it as close to your hifi and as far from your router as possible and that SFP's are definitely worth experimenting with as long as your streamer is capable of taking a gigabit connection (some like naim are hardwired at 100mb/s).
What you are saying is my current set up.
Modem>Router>switch>FMC>fiber>
FMC>LAN>R26
I believe this is too much and more prone to noise and jitter. So streamlining this is the goal.
This router has a sfp port and 8 LAN inputs so no need for a switch or a FMC.
Path this way, would become :
Modem>Router>fiber cable>FMC(Oxco Teradak)>Lan cable >R26 dac
Yes this is similar to my current set up, although with higher quality FMC on the “clean side”. This is what I want to improve and streamline.
Thankfully my current router is close to my system and I would be able to go direct from router to clean FMC.
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teknorob23
Member of the Trade: Network Acoustics
it is very hard to make a wifi router work well for audio, no matter how you power it or connect it, so my point was that you would get a much bigger return on your investment in terms of improved sound quality from your streaming set up, if you were to spend it on even a basic switch and using it only for your hifi. Up to you of course how you spend your money
I’m confused by what you mean here.it is very hard to make a wifi router work well for audio, no matter how you power it or connect it, so my point was that you would get a much bigger return on your investment in terms of improved sound quality from your streaming set up, if you were to spend it on even a basic switch and using it only for your hifi. Up to you of course how you spend your money
I have a dedicated switch only for audio.
There are no other devices hard wired to the router or the switch. Any other household devices connect wirelessly.
I want to get rid of it and streamline the set up.
I would be combining all of these in one device.
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I use the Teradak T-S212 with the OXCO
http://kamaudio.com/TeraDak-T-S212-SFP-media-converter
When referring to “clean” I’m referring to the FMC AFTER the fiber cable closest to the Dac. The dirty side is BEFORE the fiber cable(modem, router, switch)
I am using the fiber cable to strip all network noise off the signal
https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/how-to-optimize-digital-streaming-with-optical-fiber/
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Ok so what are you plugging your switch into? You have no router in your chain at all?
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OK, that is your def. off high quality FMC do to the LPS build inside. But that would not give you galvanic isolation from the mains.
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It’s a light years better build than any other FMC (Startech) I’ve used with a linear power supply and uses a vastly superior OCXO clock.
This is connected to my Puritan 156 which has a dedicated line.
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My set up is nearly identical to yours.
My Teradak FMC sits right where your Startech does.
In your system my idea would be combining your Cisco switch and router into one device.
Everything else would stay the same.
teknorob23
Member of the Trade: Network Acoustics
apologies if i've misunderstood your set up, i thought you were saying you wanted to go direct from your wifi router via sfp to your streamer.
No worries.
No I want to go direct from a wireless router that has an SFP port into a FMC into my dac.
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