The Darkvoice/La Figaro 332C and 332S Impressions/Discussion Thread
Feb 1, 2010 at 9:06 PM Post #166 of 454
-14db should just do it, do you have a link for these?
 
Feb 1, 2010 at 9:36 PM Post #167 of 454
I found some on Ebay - but the only ones I see there now are relatively expensive (just key for 'rca attenuator').

I wonder if the pots they used in our 332s are of the linear type. Look for Fitz's post 'The mods - part 1', about half way the thread at http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/cus...3/#post2321506
The 336 had the exact same inconvenience, he solved it by replacing the pot.

If it is indeed linear, solving the issue by adding some resistors to them would be a better solution than the rca attenuators. I just send yuking an email asking what pots they used.

Could one of the 3322 owners comment on the 'practical range' on their amps?

BTW, does your 332S have any hum using the stock (small) Russian tubes? Mine does have some low level hum, not too bad but I'd prefer a blacker background. It's not related to the power tubes it seems. Fitz also did some seemingly simple mods to the 336 to improve on that problem....
 
Feb 1, 2010 at 9:45 PM Post #168 of 454
Reading Fitz's notes better (see link in my previous post), solving the volume problem and residual hum may actually be connected. He says: 'I tried out several values of capacitors on the input tube's cathode until I found 100uF to be the sweet spot between reducing hum and increasing gain.'
Could be a very usefull mod! But the 336 is a different amp with different tubes, so the exact value may well be different. Perhaps we should contact him for advice...
 
Feb 1, 2010 at 9:47 PM Post #169 of 454
Ok i found the Rothwell attenuator - £39 for a pair!

I sent a pm to yuking asking him the best way to reduce gain, i' rather have a permanent fix.

As for hum, yes i have some hum, i have replaced all the tubes but that didn't fix it; it might just take some more time to burn-in. I'll give it a week and see if it improves.
 
Feb 1, 2010 at 10:32 PM Post #170 of 454
After going crazy and buying tubes... thus far I've bought 4 Ulys, 2 Tung Sol 6AK5s, 2 Mullard CV4010s, 4 RCA 6AK5Ws, and maybe 2 Western Electric 403Bs or Ericsson 403Bs... I'm going to be doing the DAC thing next. I'm running out of money so I was thinking a NuForce uDAC would be a prime buy. What do you guys think... MacBook Pro > uDAC > need to get decent RCA interconnects > La Figaro 332c > HD650s (maybe might get new cables for these as well). This crap gets so damn expensive. Sorry wallet...
 
Feb 1, 2010 at 11:26 PM Post #171 of 454
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Could one of the 3322 owners comment on the 'practical range' on their amps?



My 3322 has an practical range from 6oclock to around 10oclock. i usually listen around 9oclock when using my hd800's. my hearing is still ok (i'm only 25 years old, dont work in a loud factory, and pass all hearing tests with flying colors).
 
Feb 2, 2010 at 3:44 AM Post #172 of 454
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My 3322 has an practical range from 6oclock to around 10oclock. i usually listen around 9oclock when using my hd800's. my hearing is still ok (i'm only 25 years old, dont work in a loud factory, and pass all hearing tests with flying colors).


I'm scared to go above 9 oclock with my HD650's. I need to get a decibel meter to be sure where my 332 pumps out 85dB, just to be sure.
 
Feb 2, 2010 at 4:54 AM Post #173 of 454
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I'm scared to go above 9 oclock with my HD650's. I need to get a decibel meter to be sure where my 332 pumps out 85dB, just to be sure.


I used my HD650's never above 9 o'clock with my DV3322. At around 10 o'clock it would actually start to hurt!
 
Feb 2, 2010 at 5:33 AM Post #174 of 454
From those figures I'd have to say the 332S is much louder, I can hardly move the volume before its too loud; and by too loud I mean if I have my HD650s plugged in you can hear the music very clearly while they are sat next to the amp and 6 feet away from my head!
 
Feb 2, 2010 at 7:22 AM Post #175 of 454
Anyone know how long the shipping from Boyier in China takes to ship to the US? -- We finally worked things out and they shipped the amp yesterday. They originally told me they had the old 332 110v in stock, but they really didn't. I was a little tiffed and asked for a better price on the 332c and ended up getting it for $404 shipped so I just stuck with them. I think they are normally charging $368 + shipping for the 332c. Yuking09 who I believe is the designer/owner is selling it directly for $400 shipped. So that looks to be the best deal right now. Anyways, I was listening to my brand spankin' new 650s straight up with a sendstation LOD out of my iPhone into a Penguin Caffeine amp and it sounded pretty damn good albeit veiled. I'm pretty sure I'm in for a treat because if the Penguin and 650s sounded good then the 332c and the 650s are going to scream. Can't wait!
 
Feb 2, 2010 at 10:51 AM Post #176 of 454
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I used my HD650's never above 9 o'clock with my DV3322. At around 10 o'clock it would actually start to hurt!


I've checked today with my old hd650. and they don't go very well above 9oclock. 9 is the max on these on the 3322.
 
Feb 3, 2010 at 4:22 AM Post #177 of 454
Anyone know if the tube sockets have been improved in the 332c? I've been reading through the the 332 thread and have noticed quite a few peeps complaining about the tube sockets and how the loose fit is causing a hizzy fizzy noise. Some couldn't resolve the problem, while others could based on bending the tube pins, etc. I'm hoping that La Figaro have taken note and have addressed the problem. I'm not optimistic though. We'll see in a few days...
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Feb 3, 2010 at 11:35 AM Post #178 of 454
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OK, some observations on the Sonic Differences between the 332c and 332s using Svetlana and Ericsson 403b tubes.

The 332s appears to have far more gain on the volume controls than the 332c. The 332s is not really suitable for low impendance cans because of this as the volume goes up too quickly.

The 332c suites my K701 and Superlux hd681 cans better sonically besides the differences in gain.

Through the same cans, the 332s is warmer sounding and less transparant than the 332c. Transparancy appeared to improve marginally after 12 hours burn in time though not enough for my personal tastes.

As has been said, the 332c appears to have been designed to be much better with lower impendence cans and the 332s for higher impendence cans.

It would have been interesting to compare them both with some HD650 cans (I shall have to buy myself some..)



Hello AntiGeek,

how do the 332c/332s compare to the "old" 3322 (and, if you have heard it, the DV 337)? I have a JVC Dx1000, which is not a very low impedance headphone, with 64ohms and 102DB/mw, and would like to match it with either a 332c (better suited for low impedance headphones) or the 332s, but Ogygia has apparently implied that the 332s has some unusual characteristics that would indicate that it is perhaps inferior sound-wise to the old 3322 and DV 337...
 
Feb 3, 2010 at 2:02 PM Post #180 of 454
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Hello AntiGeek,

how do the 332c/332s compare to the "old" 3322 (and, if you have heard it, the DV 337)? I have a JVC Dx1000, which is not a very low impedance headphone, with 64ohms and 102DB/mw, and would like to match it with either a 332c (better suited for low impedance headphones) or the 332s, but Ogygia has apparently implied that the 332s has some unusual characteristics that would indicate that it is perhaps inferior sound-wise to the old 3322 and DV 337...



Hello Nautilus,

Thats a tough question. As the 332c and 332s appear to sound so different to each other, I would say that the 332c sounds closer to the 3322 (from memory!). Its gain is also about the same as the 3322.

I have compared the 3322 to the 337 (newer circuit design version). The 337 is slightly more dynamic and has a wider soundstage than the 3322. The sonic signature of the 337 can be better tailored to suit tastes as it has more tube options than the 3322.

Personally, I'm loving the 332c with my k701s. I will also on record as saying that I prefer the Ully tubes to the Svets as I dig the extra neutrality and details.

The 332c really does have the best sound to the pound ratio and does not take up much space. Well recommended!

I have one 332c left that I hope nobody buys because I love it!
 

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