THE COMPOSER OPEN BACK FLAGSHIP by AUSTRIAN AUDIO
Sep 30, 2023 at 8:40 AM Post #316 of 3,277
PS.who cares?šŸ¤Ŗ
I think there is a reason to care (and probably worry) when it is impossible to say based on looks alone which headphones cost 450 euro and which 2500 euro. Both use quite a bit of metal, earpads in the picture looks even more premium on the Masterdynamic. Overall, I would say that if you ask 100 people on the street which pair is more expensive, I think at least a half of them would says it is the one the left. Well, if you tell them it is 5 times cheaper...
I really hope that the sound will compensate it all. I have always been a huge fan of the AKG headphones - owned the K400, K500, K501, K601, K701, K702 anniversary, K812, K872, K1000 and now own the Mysphere (which is technically no AKG, but still made in Austria), but this release doesn't look exciting for now.
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Sep 30, 2023 at 8:46 AM Post #317 of 3,277
If you thinkšŸ‘ ....When you hold the composer in your hands, the other one looks like a toyšŸ˜‰
(Others can only dream of the entire structure of this..all I can say is good luck in imitating them šŸ¤£)

But there is also the Yamaha YH5000SE which is also very well made from the construction and build šŸ‘
However, tonally not convincing for me and certainly too expensive for you at 5500 euros šŸ˜‰
For this you also get a score one and can go on holiday for a few more days...maybe in Vienna?šŸ¤Ŗ
ā—ļøIts so easy....Everyone is free to chooseā—ļø

NOMAX

PS.lol
 
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Sep 30, 2023 at 9:54 AM Post #319 of 3,277
I think there is a reason to care (and probably worry) when it is impossible to say based on looks alone which headphones cost 450 euro and which 2500 euro. Both use quite a bit of metal, earpads in the picture looks even more premium on the Masterdynamic. Overall, I would say that if you ask 100 people on the street which pair is more expensive, I think at least a half of them would says it is the one the left. Well, if you tell them it is 5 times cheaper...
I really hope that the sound will compensate it all. I have always been a huge fan of the AKG headphones - owned the K400, K500, K501, K601, K701, K702 anniversary, K812, K872, K1000 and now own the Mysphere (which is technically no AKG, but still made in Austria), but this release doesn't look exciting for now.
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Even upon repetition I think itā€™s very easy to see which is whichā€¦
Yet the look doesnā€™t tell you much about how it feels in hand.
 
Sep 30, 2023 at 10:11 AM Post #320 of 3,277
I think there are a lot of people who want a dynamic over ear flagship that has more bass/much more energy in the low end than my Utopia and which is a lot easier to drive šŸ˜‰
(And with a bigger soundstage/room/space )šŸ˜Ž

The answer to that is....The Composer

It is precisely their experience and what they bring with them that makes it possible to realize this product
And you will recognize that when you hold it in your hands and listen to it šŸ‘

NOMAX

PS.lol
Iā€™m one of those people. The headphone that youā€™ve described in your posts is exactly what Iā€™m looking for to add to my collection.

The point that I was trying to convey is that itā€™s a tough proposition to go from making what Iā€™d consider entry level price point to flagship. I wish Austrian Audio the best in their efforts though. Weā€™ll see how things shake up after this weekend when more people get their ears on them.
 
Sep 30, 2023 at 11:05 AM Post #321 of 3,277
I really hope that the sound will compensate it all. I have always been a huge fan of the AKG headphones - owned the K400, K500, K501, K601, K701, K702 anniversary, K812, K872, K1000 and now own the Mysphere (which is technically no AKG, but still made in Austria), but this release doesn't look exciting for now.
Looks like we travelled the same route, although I only borrowed, never owned the K1000 and can add the original K240DF which I used extensively for monitor and recording in the late 70's and 80s.
The Mysphere is adopted from the K1000, no?
Anyway, I've been following Austrian Audio but have yet to hold or hear any of their offerings, sadly dollar wise, headphones have gone the same way as everything else today so not sure I'll ever get to try the Composer.
Curious to know if they'll be distributed through consumer or pro audio?
 
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Sep 30, 2023 at 11:39 AM Post #322 of 3,277
@Nomax showed up today with the Composer and the Score One. Time for a few whiskies and grappas now. One would not believe this performance without hearing it with ones own ears, that's for sure. More on this later.

Cheers,
Bernie
 
Sep 30, 2023 at 11:44 AM Post #323 of 3,277
Two packages are announced for Monday, then we'll see. Only by comparing them and listening to them in peace and quiet can many things be revealed - I'm not a quick shooter!
 
Sep 30, 2023 at 1:27 PM Post #324 of 3,277
I think there is a reason to care (and probably worry) when it is impossible to say based on looks alone which headphones cost 450 euro and which 2500 euro. Both use quite a bit of metal, earpads in the picture looks even more premium on the Masterdynamic. Overall, I would say that if you ask 100 people on the street which pair is more expensive, I think at least a half of them would says it is the one the left. Well, if you tell them it is 5 times cheaper...
I really hope that the sound will compensate it all. I have always been a huge fan of the AKG headphones - owned the K400, K500, K501, K601, K701, K702 anniversary, K812, K872, K1000 and now own the Mysphere (which is technically no AKG, but still made in Austria), but this release doesn't look exciting for now.
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Holy hell... I thought the design sounded familiar to me, but that looks like a proper rip off to me.
Im sorry but when you release a top of the line product, you gotta be original.
That, plus the annoying propietary connectors are a big turn off for me.
 
Sep 30, 2023 at 1:31 PM Post #325 of 3,277
Iā€™m one of those people. The headphone that youā€™ve described in your posts is exactly what Iā€™m looking for to add to my collection.

The point that I was trying to convey is that itā€™s a tough proposition to go from making what Iā€™d consider entry level price point to flagship. I wish Austrian Audio the best in their efforts though. Weā€™ll see how things shake up after this weekend when more people get their ears on them.
Asfaik Focal also only head entry level headphones when launching the Utopia. As well as Meze Audio with the Empyrean.
 
Sep 30, 2023 at 2:09 PM Post #326 of 3,277
Holy hell... I thought the design sounded familiar to me, but that looks like a proper rip off to me.
Sorry I showed those, lol...but I guess we either have, round, oval, square or rectangular...
And the Composer visually is really evolutionary in appearance with some genes thrown in from the K812. : )

Austrian Audio - Hi-X65
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Sep 30, 2023 at 2:14 PM Post #327 of 3,277
Asfaik Focal also only head entry level headphones when launching the Utopia. As well as Meze Audio with the Empyrean.
Wow. I think youā€™re getting the wrong impression. Iā€™m not stating this to wish Austrian Audio bad luck. I simply stated as itā€™s a tough proposition. I wish them the best of luck and hope that itā€™s as mind blowing as Nomax says it is.
 
Sep 30, 2023 at 2:51 PM Post #328 of 3,277
I think there is a reason to care (and probably worry) when it is impossible to say based on looks alone which headphones cost 450 euro and which 2500 euro. Both use quite a bit of metal, earpads in the picture looks even more premium on the Masterdynamic. Overall, I would say that if you ask 100 people on the street which pair is more expensive, I think at least a half of them would says it is the one the left. Well, if you tell them it is 5 times cheaper...
I really hope that the sound will compensate it all. I have always been a huge fan of the AKG headphones - owned the K400, K500, K501, K601, K701, K702 anniversary, K812, K872, K1000 and now own the Mysphere (which is technically no AKG, but still made in Austria), but this release doesn't look exciting for now.
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The material cost isn't most of the time what you pay for but the investment and the engineering costs - that most probably went into the driver, as the driver is still the biggest part that contributes to the tuning and the distortion. For the similarities, I think the mechanisms are different enough to make this a different HP. Otherwise you can also call the ZMF an Audeze rip off.
 
Sep 30, 2023 at 4:03 PM Post #329 of 3,277
NOMAX, if you had to get one amp to drive both the Composer and the OG Utopia, would you say the CMA Master 12?

Yes, because the cma15 is too bright for the OG šŸ‘

NOMAX
 
Sep 30, 2023 at 4:51 PM Post #330 of 3,277
Nomax came around with the Austrian Audio Composer and the Score One today, so I am able to share a few impressions. The Composer feels very light, fits perfectly, has space for large ears (and those with unusually shaped ears). The clamping pressure ist just right.

The gear used was the SP3000 in the Black and Copper versions, the RME ADI-2/4 PRO SE and the Score One (with the RME as DAC).

The Composer is a neutrally tuned headphone, without roll-of in the high frequency range, but also without a sub bass drop-off. The latter distinguishes it from most other dynamic models. The Composer therefore has a great level of tonal perfection, true hi-fi. Not least because of this, it reflects the character of the rest of the audio chain. On the SP3000 Black and the RME it sounded a leaner than on the SP3000 Copper and the Score One.

Bass extends low, so the composer does not need to cheat with a boosted upper bass instead. Kick bass bounces nicely and it also delivers impact when needed. No audible distortion, clean with good structure, all types of bass are reproduced realistically. Nothing is unduly increased, but nothing is taken away either.

The mids are neutral, without a one-sided focus on the presence range or on the body of voices and instruments. With these headphones and especially in combination with the Score One, the timbre of instruments is perfectly reproduced. Hardly any flagship headphones can achieve this level of perfection, imo.

The treble range is well lit, without any roll-off and does not feel exaggerated to me either. In any case, the composer has more treble energy than DCA Stealth and Utopia 2022 (both of which have been tamed there a bit), but without any tendency to sound sibilant. The illumination in the treble range also reveals details and spatial information that remain hidden with many other headphones.

The Composer places voices quite close to the listener, so the overall experience is rather intimate. The stage appears medium-sized, both in width, depth and height. Its soundstage is much larger than the Utopiaā€˜s, but more similar in size to the Stealth. The placement on this imaginary stage is precise, spatial effects appear very realistic.

Its transparency is good in general and particularly remarkable with the Score One, which reminds me of the best electrostats. What does the Score One do with the TTT button in terms of sound? The difference is not primarily tonal (yes, subjectively the composer seems to get a tiny bit more treble as a result), but rather the transients appear even faster and more seamless and details in the treble are drawn even more finely. The difference is not huge, but still audible.

Regarding the pairings: It is clear from the two SP3000s that the Composer is even noticeably easier to drive than the Utopia. Any DAP and probably even any smartphone should be sufficient for this. The RME brings out a few more details, which one would expect. Even more remarkable is the great synergy with the Score One. It provides a bit more substance, a pitch-black background against which even the finest ramifications in the music and in the spatial information (reverb) can be recognized. At the same time, the music feels so relaxed and natural that you can simply sink into the music. This is exactly the ideal that I am looking for and which is so difficult to find.

What I listened to with the composer (not exhaustive): Candy Dulfer, Parov Stelar, Paul van Dyk, Infected Mushroom, Eros Ramazzotti, Eric Clapton, Eva Cassidy, Buena Vista Social Club, Hans Zimmer, Nik BƤrtsch's Ronin, Metallica. It quickly became clear that this headphone excels with every music genre. I spent the rest of the time mainly with the DALI CDs. The Misa Criolla with Mercedes Sosa I even made me cry for joy.

It is hard to describe perfection, which is why one should definitely try the Composer. What should be mentioned as a limitation? Its soundstage is only medium sized, but I cannot think of anything else.

Who should definitely give the Austrian Audio Composer a try? Actually everyone with a few bucks left, but from my point of view the target audience is especially mobile users on one hand, but also lovers of electrostatic heaphones such as Stax on the other hand. The latter audience should to try it in combination with the Score One, which even seems to add some kind of secret sauce.

Cheers,
Bernie

P.S. Big thanks to @Nomax for this really remarkable experience! :thumbsup:
P.P.S. Kudos to the Austrian Audio guys. Just wow!
 
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