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I'll believe it when I hear them. Until then, the different driver part might just be the same exact drivers that they are specifically picking out (cherry picking) out of line for being better matched.
The only thing the Q701 needs is better low bass extension. Not really, but it wouldn't hurt. For my preferences it doesn't need to be that much warmer or with any extra mid-bass.
I doubt you could give the Q701 more low bass without ruining what I like about it.
How is this obvious? Who has evidence that the drivers are different? It could be something as simple as drivers being cherry picked from the line, and the pads are obviously different. However once you swap pads, the Q701 and at least the K702/65 are 99.9% the same, the difference being driver to driver variation, which I am almost positive is the same difference between the K712 and those before it. Put some standard K70x or Q701 pads on the K712, and im sure you'll get the same sound as the standard K70x/Q models, driver to driver variation aside.
Hell, I had 3 different DT990/600 at home at the same time, and they all sounded different. Driver variation exists, and can make two of the same headphone sound like two different headphones.
I was mainly trying to get Frizts to compare K712 and K702.65 a bit more.
since we are trying to see if it is just another color change, there is no need to compare K712 to Q701.
I think at this point most people agree after pad swap with Q701, it's almost identical to K702.65,
but technically Q701 is not the same K702.65 because they uses different pads.
and for comparison it is better to exclude those variations with Q701's and just use K702.65 as a base point.
not sure if you understand me...
thanks for the fast reply ok will keep it on high then
do exertnal amps actually have real gain to better power headphones drivers or are they all just upping the volume by +12 db?
some amps also have switches to change output impedance
What, please link to this.