Would you like to just borrow mine and do a K712/K612/Q701 comparison?
Well, that could make shipping costs for a certain mutual friend cheaper if you wanted both he and I to hear it/them...
I found the UPS that's open late
Would you like to just borrow mine and do a K712/K612/Q701 comparison?
Well, that could make shipping costs for a certain mutual friend cheaper if you wanted both he and I to hear it/them...
I found the UPS that's open late
Except that it is in every which way. I've owned or had extensive testing with with practically every variation of the K701 (including it's newestcloneiteration) and, as much as I still love them, they are inferior in ever aspect. Sound. Comfort. Value as well.
Sennheiser fanboy?! Never been called that. Absolutely not here, at least. Couldn't stand the HD 600 for a while. Everyone knows how I feel about the HD 280. Currently have three in the collection, but I've owned far more AKG models at this point. I've just been able to consolidate with the K702 AE which, in my opinion, is the most attractive version. I'd actually probably call myself an AT fanboy because I love their signatures in general and still completely ignore the fact that their headbands designs are the worst. (shh, don't mention this in any of the AT threads I'm participating in)
Onto the K712, I purchased one several weeks ago and owned it during the duration I was lucky enough to demo an HD 700 for about a week. Long story short, I returned the K712 and went out to purchase my own HD 700. I probably would have kept it had I found significant differences in the signature from my K702 AE, but I didn't, so off it went. Now, I don't think the setup I was using to test was garbage by any means, but maybe there is something I missed. It was only a week, after all, but I don't think so. I'm very very familiar with that line's signature and it didn't take long for me to make a decision. Keep in mind that's not saying it sucks. Far from it. Anyone who runs into me in the threads knows I'll call out a K7xx as something to watch and own because I've gotten a fair amount of joy from them. In this case, with my current cans and what I was looking for, I just couldn't defend keeping them.
So the HD 700, I'll give you a better idea why I bought my own pair. First, know that I enjoy signatures on the slightly brighter side and I would call myself a soundstage whore. (remember, I'm an AT signature fan) Well, I find the HD 700 is far better at imaging and separation, the soundstage is more expansive, and the overall response is more flat. Yeah, I enjoy the extension of the HD 700 on both ends over the K712. The decay is also extremely quick which, to my ears, makes it sounds more accurate and can be a lot more fun to listen to with certain types of music. The comfort on a K712 is pretty good considering the evolution of it over time, but the HD 700 is just invisible on my head. Value, just like everything else, it's dependent on your preferences. I would say the K712 is fairly priced ≈$400 and the HD 700 is fairly priced ≈$650. What that does illustrate is that I enjoy both, but, in my opinion, the HD 700 is a significant step above the K712.
Now, my mind can be changed if I'm given a good argument. That being the case, challenge accepted! I'm in Pasadena, work in Long Beach, and you're in Huntington Beach. Look for that PM soon!
Well if you put it that way, then my Beyerdynamic T1 blows the HD700s out of the water, and fits your preference as well. Come demo it too
Also, the soundstage on the HD700s is significantly smaller than the K712 and HD800. Not sure where you're getting that from.
Annies are bright? You just hear everything on Headfi... even things that are completely the opposite of what most people experience...
Just because there is a slight peak somewhere doesn't make a headphone bright (I hear a pretty noticeable peak in the Mad Dogs, and I would never say its bright). Pretty certain most of us are in agreement that the Annie is a warm headphone, with a softer, smoother treble, and intimate signature. Bright would suggest dry, and mostly treble oriented, and not particularly full bodied. The Annie neither dry, treble oriented, or even slightly lean in body. It's thick, smooth, softer, and overall full bodied. Peak here or there, sure, but overall, not at all.
I find myself asking for more bodies/warm on my Annie sometimes xD
Sennheiser fanboy?! Never been called that. Absolutely not here, at least. Couldn't stand the HD 600 for a while. Everyone knows how I feel about the HD 280. Currently have three in the collection, but I've owned far more AKG models at this point. I've just been able to consolidate with the K702 AE which, in my opinion, is the most attractive version. I'd actually probably call myself an AT fanboy because I love their signatures in general and still completely ignore the fact that their headbands designs are the worst. (shh, don't mention this in any of the AT threads I'm participating in)
Onto the K712, I purchased one several weeks ago and owned it during the duration I was lucky enough to demo an HD 700 for about a week. Long story short, I returned the K712 and went out to purchase my own HD 700. I probably would have kept it had I found significant differences in the signature from my K702 AE, but I didn't, so off it went. Now, I don't think the setup I was using to test was garbage by any means, but maybe there is something I missed. It was only a week, after all, but I don't think so. I'm very very familiar with that line's signature and it didn't take long for me to make a decision. Keep in mind that's not saying it sucks. Far from it. Anyone who runs into me in the threads knows I'll call out a K7xx as something to watch and own because I've gotten a fair amount of joy from them. In this case, with my current cans and what I was looking for, I just couldn't defend keeping them.
So the HD 700, I'll give you a better idea why I bought my own pair. First, know that I enjoy signatures on the slightly brighter side and I would call myself a soundstage whore. (remember, I'm an AT signature fan) Well, I find the HD 700 is far better at imaging and separation, the soundstage is more expansive, and the overall response is more flat. Yeah, I enjoy the extension of the HD 700 on both ends over the K712. The decay is also extremely quick which, to my ears, makes it sounds more accurate and can be a lot more fun to listen to with certain types of music. The comfort on a K712 is pretty good considering the evolution of it over time, but the HD 700 is just invisible on my head. Value, just like everything else, it's dependent on your preferences. I would say the K712 is fairly priced ≈$400 and the HD 700 is fairly priced ≈$650. What that does illustrate is that I enjoy both, but, in my opinion, the HD 700 is a significant step above the K712.
Now, my mind can be changed if I'm given a good argument. That being the case, challenge accepted! I'm in Pasadena, work in Long Beach, and you're in Huntington Beach. Look for that PM soon!
And this is why I'm going to abstain from these threads now.
Just a bunch of people commenting on a headphone that they don't currently own, or no longer own.
Because this sounds just like a modded "Q701" right?
No. For the love of whatever you worship, the K712 is different from the K702/Q701/Even the Anniversary. Most people wouldn't happen have the K712 and the Anniversary both, figuring either one would satisfy.
Or they currently own a K701/Q701, and justify that the K712 isn't worth purchasing because it's reportedly "close" to a "modded" Q701. What does that make a modded K712 then? Close to the K812 stock? Oh wait, no one talks about that model in comparison to the past flagships. Hm, I wonder if that's because of the extensive price hike. But if you actually take a look at the K812's driver, I wonder how much technicality you could find as an improvement over the driver design of the K712?
So that being said, what are you actually paying for? Comfort of mind that you own a TOTL?
I can tell you why I personally buy headphones such as the T1 after owning the T90. Or the HD800 after the HD700. Because I want to try them out. This is what it means to me. I enjoy discovering new headphones.
Too many times I find people paying a premium over the speculations of other people. If you like it, keep it. Stop thinking of upgrading unless you're not happy. Also, try it for yourself before ruling something out. And never tell someone that you find something way superior than something else, that's just an insult. This is a hobby about perception and subjectivity. Not a place to call out other people for "hearing differently".
If you asked me, that's the only difference in Head-Fi as opposed to years ago. We used to have small-knit groups where people enjoyed talking with enthusiasm about their experiences.
Now? It's all about, "which headphone is better for me". "I heard that x is too bright, should I consider y"? Or "This graph shows that obviously there's something wrong with your ears".
Too many times I hear people regurgitating the crap they hear from other people who haven't even heard the headphone themselves.
I respect your opinions if you own them or have actually taken the time to make comparisons. Anything else is just hearsay, and don't belong on this thread.
And for the rest of you out there. This is the AKG K712 Support and Appreciation Thread.
Not the "I like the HD700s more, even when I don't own the AKG K712s".
Or "Isn't the K712 just an updated K701/702/Anniversary"?
Please stay on topic.
Also, no offense to anyone who I've made an example. It's not anything I have against you.
Cheers, and happy listening.