The 6SN7 Identification Guide

Mar 11, 2023 at 7:05 PM Post #466 of 536
I made a typo, tube I mentioned I found is 25$ plus shipping.
I think you’ve experienced it first hand! Plate color seems not to matter much between some types. Also you might do just fine with a pair of tubes that are not ‘perfectly matched’ if they are not noisy and free from excessive microphonics I say don’t worry about test figures and just enjoy the tubes.
 
Mar 11, 2023 at 7:46 PM Post #467 of 536
I totally agree. I am new to this, so I am still trying to figure things out. It seems that there is a good amount of mystification when it comes to significance of test results, “platinum” matching, different tube variants of the same tube type, their age, county of production, military vs other standards, material used for the base, and other factors that allow vintage tube sellers to charge a lot more for some. Funny thing is, I got a lot with 4 tubes for 20 bucks on eBay. So about 5 bucks per tube, which is quite cheap. Seller only said they test good but didn’t include any readings. I asked later and they said they do that only with matched pairs. Otherwise, they look if it’s in green or red on a tester. That’s it. Some had marks to identify them, other didn't. There was a pair identical architecture. Nothing fancy, black base bottom getters, one relabeled as Magnavox, and other has noting visible. One even has a crack going halfway on the side of the base. But they sound awesome. I identified them as quite common Sylvania 6SN7GT bottom getters that were made since 40's, I think. I had no clue if any are good, but they were cheap, so I went for it. Surprisingly these two were the lowest noise and among best sounding among all tubes I got. Most re-sellers publish only emissions test, but that doesn’t say much about noise and microphonics, only about prior use if I got it right. Some resellers do all the tests, but they sell only matched pairs and charge a lot more than the way I was going about it. It makes no sense to me that some 6SN7’s goes up to 300 bucks and more. It's alike an antique store for collectors but does that have to do as much with an audiophile mindset. I don't know. Can those rare tubes truly sound 10 times or more better comparable to their cost? Don't think they can. Bottom line, it’s fun to swap but I am not sure if I needed a bunch of different types, or I just got to believe that it’s all so relevant. Still, it’s type of addiction, as my username says… 😊
 
Mar 11, 2023 at 8:01 PM Post #468 of 536
I totally agree. I am new to this, so I am still trying to figure things out. It seems that there is a good amount of mystification when it comes to significance of test results, “platinum” matching, different tube variants of the same tube type, their age, county of production, military vs other standards, material used for the base, and other factors that allow vintage tube sellers to charge a lot more for some. Funny thing is, I got a lot with 4 tubes for 20 bucks on eBay. So about 5 bucks per tube, which is quite cheap. Seller only said they test good but didn’t include any readings. I asked later and they said they do that only with matched pairs. Otherwise, they look if it’s in green or red on a tester. That’s it. Some had marks to identify them, other didn't. There was a pair identical architecture. Nothing fancy, black base bottom getters, one relabeled as Magnavox, and other has noting visible. One even has a crack going halfway on the side of the base. But they sound awesome. I identified them as quite common Sylvania 6SN7GT bottom getters that were made since 40's, I think. I had no clue if any are good, but they were cheap, so I went for it. Surprisingly these two were the lowest noise and among best sounding among all tubes I got. Most re-sellers publish only emissions test, but that doesn’t say much about noise and microphonics, only about prior use if I got it right. Some resellers do all the tests, but they sell only matched pairs and charge a lot more than the way I was going about it. It makes no sense to me that some 6SN7’s goes up to 300 bucks and more. It's alike an antique store for collectors but does that have to do as much with an audiophile mindset. I don't know. Can those rare tubes truly sound 10 times or more better comparable to their cost? Don't think they can. Bottom line, it’s fun to swap but I am not sure if I needed a bunch of different types, or I just got to believe that it’s all so relevant. Still, it’s type of addiction, as my username says… 😊
Nice!! Yes it’s so very addicting. I only buy cheap, watch for deals when a seller doesn’t know what they have and make sure they come with a return. Don’t forget to tension your tube sockets from time to time if you plan to do a lot of rolling. Or try a socket saver if you aren’t using one already.
 
Mar 11, 2023 at 9:08 PM Post #469 of 536
Thanks for suggestion. I didn't think about using tube savers and I did have problems in the past with contacts with some larger power tubes, so I'll definitely look into getting a few tube saver so I don't need to mess with original sockets at all (hopefully). Sometimes if there is a cage or a type of cover for tubes the extender may make the height so that cage/shield won't fit any more but that's about the only thing I see as a possible problem and in most cases there is enough space left.
 
Mar 11, 2023 at 9:30 PM Post #470 of 536
Thanks for suggestion. I didn't think about using tube savers and I did have problems in the past with contacts with some larger power tubes, so I'll definitely look into getting a few tube saver so I don't need to mess with original sockets at all (hopefully). Sometimes if there is a cage or a type of cover for tubes the extender may make the height so that cage/shield won't fit any more but that's about the only thing I see as a possible problem and in most cases there is enough space left.
If space is an issue, (depending on the amp) you could just replace the sockets now or down the road.
 
Mar 11, 2023 at 10:42 PM Post #471 of 536
It makes no sense to me that some 6SN7’s goes up to 300 bucks and more. It's alike an antique store for collectors but does that have to do as much with an audiophile mindset. I don't know. Can those rare tubes truly sound 10 times or more better comparable to their cost? Don't think they can. Bottom line, it’s fun to swap but I am not sure if I needed a bunch of different types, or I just got to believe that it’s all so relevant. Still, it’s type of addiction, as my username says… 😊
Correct all around. You are paying for the rarity. Luckily, there are still plenty of very, very good Sylvania, RCA, Raytheon, etc NOS 6SN7 still available at good prices. The circuit design of the amp and the amp itself is far more relevant when it comes to sound quality. The tubes are the (nice) icing on the cake.
 
Mar 11, 2023 at 10:57 PM Post #472 of 536
i Most re-sellers publish only emissions test, but that doesn’t say much about noise and microphonics, only about prior use if I got it right.
Can help to identify how much life the tube has left. Noise and microphonics can be tested for. Also look out for if the tube is tested for shorts (might save your amp), transconductance, gas and leaks. The better tube testers will give these results, and tubes with good values on a good tester will sell for more than a tube that simply states "good" or "pass" and/or emissions. It's a mine field out there... If you are planning on obtaining quite a few tubes, I do recommend a decent tube tester. Or at least only purchase from reputable sellers who publish tube test results, but this can be a more expensive route...

Good luck. Its a journey, but one that I have thoroughly enjoyed over the years. Always something new to learn with tubes. I bet the tube designers of the 40's - 60's couldn't have imagined their tubes would still be used today. Doesn't get better than modern amp design with vintage tubes.
 
Mar 12, 2023 at 1:19 AM Post #473 of 536
Can help to identify how much life the tube has left. Noise and microphonics can be tested for. Also look out for if the tube is tested for shorts (might save your amp), transconductance, gas and leaks. The better tube testers will give these results, and tubes with good values on a good tester will sell for more than a tube that simply states "good" or "pass" and/or emissions. It's a mine field out there... If you are planning on obtaining quite a few tubes, I do recommend a decent tube tester. Or at least only purchase from reputable sellers who publish tube test results, but this can be a more expensive route...

Good luck. Its a journey, but one that I have thoroughly enjoyed over the years. Always something new to learn with tubes. I bet the tube designers of the 40's - 60's couldn't have imagined their tubes would still be used today. Doesn't get better than modern amp design with vintage tubes.
Define 'quite a few' - does quite a few hundred count? Or quite a few thousand? Asking for a hoarder friend.
 
Mar 12, 2023 at 2:35 PM Post #474 of 536
Define 'quite a few' - does quite a few hundred count? Or quite a few thousand? Asking for a hoarder friend.
A few hundred definitely counts :)
 
Jun 17, 2023 at 1:48 PM Post #476 of 536
I have a 5692 tube with a double print of GE/RCA and I am trying to identify the date.
Here are all of the markings on the red base:
E93
B3
45509
2-29A
There are multiple markings because it is a rare misprint of both GE and RCA on the tube.
Can anyone help me in identifying the date?
 
Jun 17, 2023 at 2:14 PM Post #477 of 536
I have a 5692 tube with a double print of GE/RCA and I am trying to identify the date.
Here are all of the markings on the red base:
E93
B3
45509
2-29A
There are multiple markings because it is a rare misprint of both GE and RCA on the tube.
Can anyone help me in identifying the date?
Pics?
 
Jun 17, 2023 at 6:55 PM Post #478 of 536
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Jun 17, 2023 at 7:07 PM Post #480 of 536
I would say likely 1952 based on the markings. My GE as shown I assume is 1956. FYI the RCA branded ones were actually made by GE, it was a GE design. Great all ‘rounder balanced tube.

“Those (5692) branded RCA during anytime from the early 1950's were made by GE as RCA contracted to GE because RCA did not make the tube.”

I don’t hear much or any difference between mine. The brown base is different, warmer and not as sonically superior (in my setup).

I believe the 5692 was introduced in 1948. Hope this helps.

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