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Originally posted by bkelly
There are no Sony's on the list, anywhere! Not even the V6. How long have the 590's been out? For that matter, how long have the 600's been around? |
Um... Sony CD3000? That's a Sony. HeadRoom doesn't carry it. So much for the theory that their list only includes models they carry
As for how long the HD 590 have been out, I think Kelly is incorrect on that point. I'm pretty sure the HD 590 was available. HeadRoom just doesn't think it belongs on the list.
As for 9 of the 10 headphones on the list being ones HeadRoom carries -- that's not really too convincing of an argument, since HeadRoom carries almost every good headphone brand on the market except for Sony and AT, and I'd argue that Sony and AT only make one model each worthy of such a categorization.
Sony? The V6 is a good headphone, but among the top 10? Not even close. The only Sony headphones ever made that might possibly be included in such a list are the R10 and the CD3000. Personally, I don't think the CD3000 belongs, but HeadRoom did. As for the R10, Tyll had never heard the it (like most of the world's population
) when they came up with their list. If it were me, the CD3000 would get the boot, and the R10 would be added.
AT? From the reviews it seems they make one headphone that might belong on the list, and that one came out since HeadRoom's list and measurements were made, so it's hard to fault them there. Maybe they need to revise it, sure.
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I have seen lots of comments (at Head-Fi) where people claim that these phones are nearly impossible to tell apart. |
And if you look you'll also find lots of comments where people say they are *easy* to tell apart. The thing is, the latter comments are more believable for reasons of system resolution. If your system isn't good enough to resolve the differences between these headphones, you won't hear differences. It's like my friends who aren't into audio telling me that they can't tell the difference between a cheap CD player and a good one. Just because they can't hear the difference doesn't mean there isn't one. But if someone can clearly hear the difference in a double-blind test, a difference exists. The HD 600 and the HD 580 sound different out of a good system.
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Of course I knew the 590 was not going to be on the list given Headrooms prejudice againt these headphones |
By definition it's not "prejudice" -- they listened and
then they decided they didn't like them as much as the HD 580/HD 600
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but there are a number of high quality phones missing and in their place we've got two from the 580/600 category. |
Such as? R10? I'll give you that. But I'd dump the CD3000 from the list to make room for them before I'd get rid of the HD 580. I'd also drop the HD 495 or the DT250-80 before I drop the HD 580.
On the other hand, someone using your argument could argue that having the DT250-80 is "weighting" the Sennheiser block, since the 250-80 have a sound that is closer to the HD 580/600 than to most other headphones
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Headroom is just pushing there own agenda and nothing more than that. |
C'mon! Brian, it's clear from your many posts on the HD 590 that you personally have a thing against HeadRoom for not liking it. But anyone with a clue about HeadRoom knows that while they of course want to sell their stuff, they're also true headphone geeks, more than any of us. They include the Sony, which disproves the theory that they have an anti-Sony bias. Plus when Tyll heard the R10 he loved them. They even recommend stuff on their site that they don't carry.
The people at HeadRoom
disagree with you about what the "best" headphone is. Why does that mean they have some "agenda"? Couldn't it be that they just disagree with you? Given their preferences as to what makes a headphone "good" -- clearly discernible by anyone who actually reads their web site -- I'm not surprised by their list. Yet everyone wants to ascribe such nefarious motives. I think a fairer criticism is that they simply need to update their list to take into account some of the newer headphones (*provided* they really are better).
I know it sounds like I'm defending HeadRoom -- in this case I am -- but only because some of the things being said make no sense. It's easy for a cynic to casually come up with some grand theory of conspiracy, but when you look at each bit of "evidence," it doesn't hold up.
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Even in their literature thay claim that the 600' are the reference or standard |
Yes, as do the majority of audio magazines and reviewers on the planet. Does this make it true? No, but it sure lends credence to the idea that HeadRoom honestly likes the HD 600 better than anything else, rather than they're just promoting some "agenda."
Brian, your pro-HD 590/anti-HD 600 campaign is causing you to make some pretty wacky accusations