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John Buchanan

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This is a comparison between the Stax Sigma low bias headphones run from a Stax SRM 1 Mk 2 Pro amplifier and the Stax Lambda Nova Signature (or LNS) headphones run from a Stax SRM-717 amplifier.

1.Physical comparison of the headphones.
The Sigmas (see my avatar) are large and very box-like enclosures with a relatively flimsy head band (or arc assembly) supporting the drivers. The drivers are mounted in front of and perpendicular to your ears, unlike any headphone previously and with only the AKG K1000 having used a similar principle since. The "semi-panoramic" LNS have much shallower cases than the "panoramic" Sigmas with the drivers angled out approximately 10 degrees from parallel to your ears, instead of 90 degress as per the Sigmas. The LNS arc assembly and case holders are much more substantial than the Sigmas and exert more pressure against your head. Instead of the sound bouncing off the enclosure itself and into your ear canals (as per the Sigmas), the LNS virtually inject the sound straight into the ear canals. It is worth mentioning at this point that all listening should be done with the middle of the drivers centred on your ear canals. Both headphones are quite comfortable, but I give the nod to the Sigmas for several reasons – they don’t clamp as tightly around your head as the Lambdas and because the drivers and their netting covering (of the Lambdas) are so close to your ears, they can cause some mild irritation of the pinnae that the Sigmas avoid. My ears can start to sweat whilst wearing the LNS, whilst the Sigmas are much more bearable in warmer weather. This is important in Perth, although we do have air conditioning.
The cables and drivers have been “improved” over the years between the release of the Sigmas and the LNS – the cables are now PC-OCC for the LNS, whereas the Sigmas had no special claim for cable quality as far as I know. The cables themselves are much wider in the LNS for lower capacitance. The drivers were also changed to the later high bias system enabling a louder peak level and increased bass excursion.

2.Sound

a.Deep bass
The very bottom end of the frequency response of the LNS is much more apparent – in particular bass kick drum has more impact and is rendered better than the Sigmas (the difference is that the Lambdas really kick at you, whereas the Sigmas produce a more muffled thud). This should be the case, as the LNS go down to 7 Hz, whereas the Sigmas only reach 20 Hz. The same Sigma drivers were used in the Lambda headphones and went as low as 8Hz, so this deep bass roll off must be more a function of the headphone enclosure and is probably less due to the differences in cabling and drivers.

b.Mid bass
The Sigmas have a pleasant exaggeration of the mid bass region compared with a slight recession from true (IMHO) in the LNS. This makes the Sigmas sound very nice on music that has been recorded live, as it seems to replicate the mid-bass (i.e electric/acoustic bass) emphasis that one hears at a live venue. This often seems to be lost in translation to recorded sound. On occasion, if the bass is mixed louder than it should be, this can be overwhelming on the Sigmas , whereas in that example, the LNS would be about right. I prefer Cream’s “Live At The Royal Albert Hall 2005” on the LNS for that reason, whereas the Grateful Dead’s bass sound is much more “live” on the very well recorded “Fillmore West 1969” 3xCD set using the Sigmas. To recapitulate, on a CD where the bass is a little recessed, the Sigma will restore it perfectly: if the CD is a bass monster, phase up the LNS instead. Generally, I prefer the Sigmas - I suspect most albums were originally cut so the average stylus of the time could track them. This translates as rolled bass. CD reissues usually replicate the sound of the vinyl (otherwise audiophiles rightly complain), so I guess that we get stuck with the bass roll off. Sigmas correct this to some extent - indeed I prefer them to the LNS on older analog recordings, not only because of the mid bass emphasis, but also because of the sibilance de-emphasis. The latter seems to be more problematic in analogue recordings IMHO. See later for more on this.

c.Mid and upper-mid range
This area of the frequency spectrum is where the Sigmas really shine – human voices simply sound more real on the Sigmas. There is none of the Lambdas lack of force, nor is there any sibilance – they just sound great. There is a slight loss of consonant clicks in vocals, but the lack of sibilance is so impressive, that this loss is not really noticeable. The LNS, on the other hand, seems to thin out the mid-range and makes vocals a little 2 dimensional, trebly and sibilant in my opinion. They are not as enjoyable and don’t sound like they should as reproduced live. Again, using the Grateful Dead Fillmore West example, Pigpens vocals simply sound live on the Sigmas and thinner and more sibilant on the LNS. This is a great album by the way - I have only just started to get into the Dead.

d.Treble
The Sigmas roll the top end quite a bit compared with the LNS – this makes tape hiss and recorded crowd applause sound different than in the LNS. I think the Lambda is closer to the truth, but the adjacent frequency band elevation (e.g the emphasis on sibilance) is too much of a price to pay. Still, if we could have the lack of sibilance and the frequency extension at both ends (and this may be attainable with the Sigma/LNS hybrid I am thinking about), I suspect I may have the perfect phone.

3.Dynamics.
Although there was much trumpeting of the increase in dynamics allowed by changing the bias voltage and the inter-electrode spacing when upgrading to the high bias system, the dynamics of the two headphone systems seem to be about the same (i.e. excellent). I hear minimal evidence of superior dynamics, with the exception of the frequency extremes. The LNS can play louder without stress, but I don’t want to listen at those levels anyway, so this is a moot point. Ed cites increased ambience with the Sigmas as evidence of this, but the treble roll off on my pair mitigates against that. I know what he means however, it's just I don't hear it on my pair.

4.The Future.
According to other Head-Fiers (thanks Edstrelow), the Sigma/LNS hybrid could be what I am looking for – a Sigma that retains the positives and corrects the negatives. There is also the bonus that I could use the superior SRM-717 for the phones with its balanced inputs. An Omega 2 is on its way in June sometime, so after that a hybridization may occur, if the Omega 2’s aren’t just so overwhelmingly good that Sigmas pale in comparison. Further reviews will be coming.....
 
May 22, 2006 at 6:53 AM Post #3 of 29
I can't disagree with your general conclusions. The Sigma low bias does rock surprisingly well compared to high bias phones in spite of the supposed adavantages of high bias in achieving better dynamics. I do however detect a compression byproduct in the form of greater ambience wih the low bias system. This is a sign of reduced dynamics.

Again while the mid-bass peak of all the Sigmas can be obvious, it is "euphonic" in nature and generally not obtrusive. It gives some bass slam and also contributes to the ambience because a lot of hall ambience seems to occur in this frequency region.

I am still loving my Sigma/404 mod. It does give the basic Sigma more treble, dynamics and subtelty. But don't get rid of the low bias Sigma. You will miss its sonic characteristics if you do.
 
Jun 8, 2006 at 2:08 AM Post #4 of 29
Ed,
any updates on the sound. I'm going blue waiting for this....
 
Nov 18, 2009 at 8:38 AM Post #5 of 29
This is a comparison between the Stax Sigma/404 high bias headphones and the Stax Lambda Nova Signature (or LNS) headphones run from a Stax SRM Monitor amplifier.

1. Physical comparison of the headphones.
See the first post – the body is the same as a standard low bias Sigma.
The cables are now exactly the same wide low capacitance PC-OCC for both the LNS and the Sigma/404. The drivers are now the fuschia-bodied 404 drivers (the LNS has gold-bodied drivers).

2. Sound
a. Deep bass
The very bottom end of the frequency response of the LNS is still slightly more apparent – in particular bass kick drum has deeper tones and is therefore rendered a little better than the Sigma/404. This should be the case, as the LNS go down to 7 Hz, whereas the Sigma/404 only reach 20 Hz. The 404 drivers, when used in the 404 headphones, also go as low as 7Hz (and are similar to the LNS in that regard), so this deep bass roll off must be more a function of the headphone enclosure and is probably less due to the differences in cabling and drivers. I suspect the lack of isolation between the front and rear of the drivers of the Sigma design allows front to back cancellation of deep bass.

b. Mid bass
The Sigma/404 have a significant exaggeration of the mid bass region compared with a slight recession from true (IMHO) in the LNS and a larger mid bass hump in the original Sigma. This makes the Sigma/404 sound very nice on music that has been recorded live, as it seems to replicate the mid-bass (i.e. electric/acoustic bass) emphasis that one usually hears at a live venue. This often seems to be lost in translation to recorded sound. On occasion, if the bass is mixed louder than it should be, this can be overwhelming on the Sigma/404 (and even more so on the original Sigma), whereas in that example, the LNS would be about right. I prefer Cream’s “Live At The Royal Albert Hall 2005” on the LNS for that reason, whereas the Grateful Dead’s bass sound sounds much more “live” on the very well recorded “Fillmore West 1969” 3xCD set using the Sigmas/404. To recapitulate, on a CD where the bass is a little recessed, the Sigma/404 will restore it perfectly: if the CD is a bass monster, phase up the LNS instead. Generally, I prefer the Sigma/404 - I suspect most albums were originally cut so the average stylus of the time could track them. This translates as rolled bass. CD reissues usually replicate the sound of the vinyl (otherwise audiophiles rightly complain), so I guess that we get stuck with the bass roll off. The Sigma/404 corrects this to some extent - I prefer them to the LNS on older analog recordings, not only because of the slight mid-bass emphasis, but also because of the sibilance de-emphasis. The latter seems to be more problematic in analogue recordings IMHO. See later for more on this.

c. Mid and upper-mid range
This area of the frequency spectrum is where the Sigma/404 really shines – human voices simply sound more real on the Sigma/404. There is none of the LNS lack of power, nor is there any sibilance – they just sound great. There is a slight loss of consonant clicks in vocals, but the lack of sibilance is so impressive, that this loss is not really noticeable. The LNS, on the other hand, seems to thin out the mid-range and makes vocals a little 2 dimensional, trebly and sibilant in my opinion. They are not as enjoyable and don’t sound like they should as reproduced live. Again, using the Grateful Dead Fillmore West example, Pigpens vocals simply sound live on the Sigma/404 and thinner and more sibilant on the LNS. This is a great album by the way - I have only just started to get into the Dead.

d. Treble
The Sigma/404 no longer roll the top end as much as the original Sigma, but this tendency is still present. This makes tape hiss and recorded crowd applause sound slightly different than with the LNS. I think the Lambda is closer to the truth, but the adjacent frequency band elevation (e.g. the emphasis on sibilance) is too much of a price to pay.

3. Dynamics.
The LNS can play louder without stress, but at the same volume levels, the Sigma/404 has, for want of a better term, an “oomph” or power that the LNS (and the Omega 2 Mk 1 for that matter) lacks. Maybe it’s due to the residual bass hump, I’m unsure. Every time I put the Sigma/404 on, I can relax and think, “This truly sounds great”.

4. Soundstage.
The Sigma/404 has a great big billowing soundstage that the LNS doesn’t even come close to matching. The very start of “No Reply” from the 2009 Beatles remasters has an expanding reverb that isn’t caught nearly as well by the LNS, diffuse field engaged or not.

4. Postscript.
Well, it seems that I got what I was hoping for. A great headphone for vocals with a rolled top and bottom end has become able to do deep bass as well as more extended treble without sibilance, and it has an increased volume limit without stress as well as a nice powerful sound. Great success.
 
Nov 18, 2009 at 9:51 AM Post #6 of 29
Congrats on the feedback
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I was reading this review just the other day and i was wondering what you thought of your Sigma/404 in comparison... anyway very useful impressions, i like the fact that you mention the thin mids of the LNS, i was starting to think that it might be the perfect headphone for me... too good to be true
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Nov 18, 2009 at 10:06 AM Post #7 of 29
Excellent. I'd seriously want some Sigmas to go with the K1000s. Perhaps for the movies?
 
Feb 23, 2010 at 4:13 AM Post #8 of 29
Hi John: could you please compare the differences between the Sigma/404 and the O2's? I guess I would like to know how close to the O2's the Sigma/404 is, and which one did you listen to the most.
I know you sold your O2's but not the Sigma/404's.
If Ed is around, I would like to hear his comparison between the 007Mk2 and the Sigma/404's too.
 
Feb 23, 2010 at 9:13 AM Post #9 of 29
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Hi John: could you please compare the differences between the Sigma/404 and the O2's? I guess I would like to know how close to the O2's the Sigma/404 is, and which one did you listen to the most.
I know you sold your O2's but not the Sigma/404's.
If Ed is around, I would like to hear his comparison between the 007Mk2 and the Sigma/404's too.



The O2 Mk1 was simply in a better class than any of the phones unequalised. The O2 had smoother treble than the LNS (no low treble spike that I could hear) as well as significantly deeper bass than either the LNS or Sigma/404.
So why did I sell the O2? The arrival of the SRM Monitor sparked this off - I have lusted after one of these for nearly 15 years and have only ever seen one other for sale. It matches the LNS very well and seems to iron out its frequency variations nicely. The diffuse field equalisation and balanced connection seems to remove the low treble spike and slightly elevate the bass (although the bass frequency response of the ED-1 says it shouldn't do the latter) to produce a headphone within striking distance of the O2 Mk1. I found the equalised LNS really came into its own with cymbal replay - they simply sounded better than on ANY other phone, very deep bass notwithstanding. On the SRM-717, the LNS was inferior to the O2, despite the SRM Monitor and the SRM 717 both having balanced connections.
I also kept the Sigma/404 due to the wonderful out-of-the-box thinking (by Naotake Hayashi) behind the design, some persuasion from Webbie64, as well as its sheer fashion insanity. 3 phones is way too many for one person and there was a lot of money tied up in the O2s, and I found I hardly listened to the O2 after getting the SRM Monitor.
 
Feb 23, 2010 at 11:13 AM Post #10 of 29
Very interesting John. Have you ever tried to equalize your source with the LNS and the 717 as well? How does it compare? I find that the LNS responds very well to EQing, a 2-3 db dip at 3 khz makes the midrange very smooth. Bass can be boosted as well around 60 hz. But after a while i don't feel like needing EQing, i'm not sure if it's due to prior warm up or if it depends on what i'm listening to, but at some point i find the LNS very neutral overall.
 
Feb 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM Post #11 of 29
do you have the frequency bands for the diffuse field equalization?
I remember reading about it a while back, but don't remember where.
And does it work for other phones besides the Lambdas?
 
Feb 23, 2010 at 9:19 PM Post #12 of 29
Feb 24, 2010 at 10:40 AM Post #13 of 29
How can it make the LNS sound closer to the O2?
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I remember reading somewhere that all Lambdas have a peak around 4 khz, that should make it worse. I don't get it.
I tried similar settings on the equalizer of my source yesterday:
300 hz: +0 db
1 khz: -3 db
3 khz: +5 db
6 khz: +0 db

It was not bad, soundstage seemed more distant and wide, kind of speakers-like? But when switching back to no EQ mids were more consistant, vocals were closer and less thin. That's just my first impression, i'll try more.
 
Feb 25, 2010 at 8:45 AM Post #14 of 29
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The arrival of the SRM Monitor sparked this off - I have lusted after one of these for nearly 15 years and have only ever seen one other for sale. It matches the LNS very well and seems to iron out its frequency variations nicely. The diffuse field equalisation and balanced connection seems to remove the low treble spike and slightly elevate the bass (although the bass frequency response of the ED-1 says it shouldn't do the latter) to produce a headphone within striking distance of the O2 Mk1.


Great that the SRM Monitor you wanted for so long did indeed create the synergy you sought. I always get worried when any of us want something for so long and then have to deal with the difference between its performance when we finally get it and the expectations/hopes we've built into our perceptions of it over that intervening time.

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I found the equalised LNS really came into its own with cymbal replay - they simply sounded better than on ANY other phone


You have a way with words, John. Without some of your other postings I probably wouldn't have a Sigma 404 myself and may not have eventually also acquired an O2. My wife has long wanted us to travel to Western Australia and she is unaware that too many more John Buchanan comments like this may lead to her getting her wish! LOL

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I also kept the Sigma/404 due to the wonderful out-of-the-box thinking (by Naotake Hayashi) behind the design, some persuasion from Webbie64, as well as its sheer fashion insanity.


What can I say but thanks for the acknowledgement and a smart move - they're not exactly easilly replaceable and have an SQ (with the right amp) that is unique amongst our ESP collections.

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3 phones is way too many for one person and there was a lot of money tied up in the O2s, and I found I hardly listened to the O2 after getting the SRM Monitor.


The sensible person in me agrees with you but a site called HeadFi kidnapped most of that sensability a couple of years ago and now, although I recognise the drawbacks of each, I also enjoy experiencing the respective strengths of my various ESPs. I probably will trim down a bit but I don't think I'd get all the way down to any less than the HE60s, O2Mk1s, Sigma 404s and original Sigmas (the latter kept as much for nostalgia - first ESPs owned - as for sharing the soundstage Sigma experience with my son whilst sharing music together
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Feb 25, 2010 at 8:53 AM Post #15 of 29
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You have a way with words, John. Without some of your other postings I probably wouldn't have a Sigma 404 myself and may not have eventually also acquired an O2. My wife has long wanted us to travel to Western Australia and she is unaware that too many more John Buchanan comments like this may lead to her getting her wish! LOL


Any time you and your wife and son would like to visit, feel free to contact me. WA is a lovely place to visit.
 

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