Sonicweld Diverter: comments about the design, from the designer
Sep 28, 2009 at 7:22 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 37

JayDee

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I have seen the Diverter thread elsewhere on this forum (Sonicweld/Cryo-Parts Diverter 96/24 USB to SPDIF Review) and appreciate the spirited discussion there. I thought that as the owner of Sonicweld and designer of the Diverter, perhaps my perspective might be of interest. This is my first post to the forum, and I apologize that it is so lengthy. My intent isn’t to use this as free ad copy, but to offer my sincere thoughts about some of the issues raised.

Every product is, by definition, the incarnation of a designer’s philosophy and values. I occasionally encounter suspicion or even derision of my designs because they have a certain look and style - clearly, I place a high value on the product’s design and aesthetics. There are some here who seem to feel this is something to be ashamed of, ostensibly because it represents some sort of industry-wide conspiracy to defraud ignorant and gullible customers. I confess to taking umbrage at this, at least in the case of my own products. I can’t understand how high design - even art - somehow precludes the functional core of the device from being meticulously and innovatively engineered. To me, it does not follow that something made to look terrific necessarily means its creator haphazardly stuffed the interior with $20 worth of garden-variety, “random” parts and is laughing all the way to the bank. Performance of my products is first and foremost in my mind, but I can’t conceive of how it makes me a lesser (or dishonest) designer to care enough and have the skill to enrobe what I design in what I hope is a striking and functional piece of industrial art.

In my experience, the criticism of beautifully-made tech is unique to high-end audio, and I find it rather odd. It’s not that I can’t see any reasoning behind it, which I discuss below, just that the core assumption is completely counterintuitive to me. For instance, I’ve never seen anyone at a car enthusiast forum speculate that the engine in a Bugatti Veyron must be a piece of trash simply because the exterior of the vehicle looks cool. To me, it seems far more likely that a designer who took the time to come up with an innovative and well-made outer package, and who was capable of that level of execution in the first place, would also exercise similar judgment and skill in executing whatever is found on the inside.

The chassis of the Diverter took over a dozen attempts and several weeks to perfect. It required specialized tooling, toolholders, and custom-made fixtures, all at significant expense. Each chassis requires six set-ups in the CNC machine, and I had to write and perfect twelve programs for the whole procedure. Why would I take the time and care to make something as involved as this, and not give at least equal weight to what goes into it? I find the idea to be truly bizarre. Nonetheless, I’ve tried to puzzle through where people might be coming from.

Perhaps this community skepticism can be attributed in part to a legitimate societal mistrust of the beautiful, because beauty is often contrived and masks some kind of deception. Or rather, beauty is frequently exploited by those with some nefarious or selfish agenda. We’re all familiar with the stereotype of the attractive but vacuous person; the handsome sociopath; the suave but ultimately self-aggrandizing salesman.

Part of living in a consumer culture, particularly one in which most of what we buy is manufactured cheaply overseas, is that we constantly encounter products that are intentionally designed to deceive. We’ve lost faith in our modern products, and with good reason: the “real McCoy” is largely a 50's-era anachronism. We’ve all seen the boom boxes at big box stores that boast a gaudy array of displays, knobs, buttons, and faux metal, the collective attempt of which is to appear more powerful and sophisticated than they really are. Maybe you’ve felt let down by discovering that a broken faucet wasn’t really made of chrome-plated solid brass, but rather chrome-plated plastic. Perhaps a piece of trim popped off your car and made some dark sin of design apparent that the manufacturer intended to keep hidden. In short, we’ve all probably experienced some kind of disappointment in a product, in which it was revealed that the wizard behind the curtain is ultimately something ordinary and unworthy of the high regard we formerly held for it. As I see it, a core part of the high-end ethos is that gear of this caliber is genuine; that there is no deceit in it design or manufacture; that the materials involved are actually what they appear to be. Though high-end gear delivers on this promise more often than not, sadly, this isn’t always the case.

I am aware that there have been a number of forum exposés of certain “high-end” audio products which feature a seductively attractive chassis or enclosure, but are revealed to contain cheap, low-grade, or otherwise ill-conceived electronics. Occasionally, the parts or assemblies even seem to have been harvested from some undisguised consumer-grade mass market product! I’ve seen more than a few of these myself, and if anything I surmise I react with more anger and indignation than most of you do, because I think it cheapens the overall high-end audio brand and violates the collective trust in enthusiast-produced products. I can assure you that there’s nothing like this going on in the Diverter, but of course many of you might not take that assertion at face value. After all, I am a manufacturer, so I have an inherent and unavoidable agenda: to generate a profit. That should be obvious, but my driving force is passion about my product, not simply a desire to profit from it. I think this is descriptive of most people in this business. If we simply wanted to make money, we’d have pursued a different profession - it is our love for what we do that drives us. Believe me, there are easier ways to make a living! There are certainly shysters in the industry whose MO seems to be to build some dingus from prosaic and inexpensive ingredients, make wild and fantastic claims about it, and charge an inordinate amount for it. I’m not that guy.

Perhaps the suspicion of pretty boxes comes from the understanding that most designers work under tight budget constraints, and if the exterior is rad... well then, they must have blown their whole budget on the package and left nothing for the guts, right? That may be true in the world of big corporate design, but I don’t operate under such limitations. I’m the industrial designer, engineer, CNC programmer/operator, assembler, inspector, and so forth. Of course I don’t have unlimited financial resources to design whatever I want (just received an email notice that I won the UK lottery, so hoping this will change soon
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), but when I approach a new project, I map out what I’m aiming to accomplish, design it, and set the price afterwards. Naturally I have at least a vague price target or idea of where I see the product being positioned in the market, but I own the business and am ultimately free to create whatever I like. I can spend just as much (in the case of the Diverter, more!) on the electronics as I can on the housing - where’s the exclusivity clause that mandates either the chassis or the electronics inside can be great, but not both?

Lastly, I realize the Diverter is at the top of the marketplace as far as devices of this type go. I truly wish I could make my work affordable for everyone, but it is very expensive to produce, and a lot was invested in its development. This fact is often lost on people here who think in DIY terms, and have little or no concept what it actually costs to bring a product like this to market. I don’t mean to disparage DIY, insult anyone, or be provocative, but I think its axiomatic that people are often critical of things they can’t afford. I think it’s a natural human reaction, a coping mechanism to assuage the disappointment of not getting something we want. If we can convince ourselves that the coveted object is no longer needed or even worthy of our attention, we feel relief, even liberation. We all do it to some extent, me included. It would be nice if we could all be honest about it, but pride often gets in the way, and we dogmatically cling to some tangential reason for demoting the object of desire. Note that I’m not saying that everyone who has criticism for my product secretly wants it, just that I’m convinced many of the “what does your box offer for $1k that my $100 box doesn’t do???” posts are, to some extent, sour grapes.

Yes, of course it is possible to make a $100 USB to SPDIF translator device. I’m not even claiming that such a device is inherently without merit. I am saying that such a product simply doesn’t interest me as a designer. So what are you paying for when you buy the Diverter? Aside from obvious, pat answers like sound quality, pride of ownership, build integrity, reliability, or performance, I think I’d say “implementation.” I don’t claim any quantum tunneling effects, torsion fields, or other sorcery are at play in the Diverter - there’s very little new under the sun. What is of value there is the way I’ve done it, the care with which it is executed, the attention to the details. The details are expensive to address and require many design cycles. If you're happy with the jittery, incorrectly level-shifted, non-isolated SPDIF output from the impedance-mismatched connector on your motherboard, by all means use that. Yes, it works, and it's free. It might even sound okay. The Diverter isn't about merely working; its about giving the best performance possible, and that is generally an expensive proposition no matter what kind of product you’re talking about.

In reflecting on what has influenced me as a designer, I can think of several things: the wonderment of wandering about art galleries, the feel of a well-made tool in my hands, the amazement I felt when I saw an oscilloscope for the first time as a child. But probably more than anything else, I would say I was influenced by the moon shot space program and the remarkable engineering that came as a result of it. Can any card-carrying tech geek claim that the F1 booster engine used on the Saturn V isn’t a gorgeous and awe-inspiring example of the form-follows-function design philosophy? It would be inconceivable to claim that the designers of such a machine were engaged in some kind of ruse, that the engineering was less than genuine and first-class, simply because the result ended up looking trick. Granted, I’m not making rocket parts, but that same kind of authenticity is what I strive for in my designs. I want anyone who sees or picks up something I made to feel reassured that the interior received as much attention as the exterior. I concede that modern cynicism might make this seem a rather utopian and perhaps naive ideal, but it’s my abiding hope.

I freely admit - with pride, in fact - that I often add some external design features that have no audio-specific function. They simply appeal to the senses. I do not apologize for this or feel any shame in it, nor would I expect that any designer who sincerely practices their art would. This being said, the design of the Diverter, both electronically and mechanically, was all about function first. In the scheme of product development, the aesthetic icing on the cake is a blip compared to the overall engineering. But if you’re absolutely averse to paying for such features - and yes, of course they cost something to produce! - vive la différence; there is a veritable cornucopia of alternative products that espouse a utilitarian design philosophy. Or, you can throw together your own design on a piece of perfboard and forget the chassis altogether. I’ve done the same myself scores of times when prototyping, but you can’t logically hold a commercial product to that same DIY standard and claim it is outrageously priced just because it costs more than the arithmetic sum of its constituent parts. I’m endeavoring to offer very refined products that extract the Nth degree of performance, not prototype-grade ones. Whether I’ve succeeded in that aspiration is for the market to judge. For me, to encase the electronics I worked so hard on in anything less than the coolest housing I can think of is anathema to me, from both a functional as well as artistic standpoint. Of course I recognize that many will not share this particular set of values.

In the absence of details like internal pictures and schematics, many of you will remain suspicious of this product, and that’s perfectly okay. I’m under no delusions of trying to sway more than a tiny slice of audiophile world to my way of thinking. Why am I not more forthcoming? Well, for three reasons. Firstly, why relinquish what I consider to be a valuable competitive advantage? I’m sure my competitors read the forums, just as I occasionally do. Secondly, I rather suspect that those who call most loudly for more openness and transparency in design details are precisely those who would be least satisfied or convinced by it. During my years in this business, I have never had a single customer specify the intimate discussion of circuit details or parts choice as a condition for a successful sale. None of my customers seem to care if I’m using Black Gates or some other part du jour. Generally, they become acquainted with me, feel some resonance with my philosophy as a designer, appreciate the design and quality of my products, and most importantly are satisfied with their performance. Whether they like how it looks, how it sounds, how it makes them feel, or some combination of the all of these, they ultimately find it has compelling value. Thirdly, the high-end suffers from acute product verbiage inflation. So many manufacturers claim to feature “military” grade parts, “aircraft” grade aluminum, “proprietary” design, “revolutionary” technology, and so forth ad nauseam. It seems any more that unless one engages in the most egregious hyperbole, it’s hard to make any claims stand out from the background noise. I find playing that game distasteful, so I choose to say less about my product’s design rather than engage in marketing-speak logorrhea.

I’ve gone on for quite a bit here, so I’ll quit. If there is a desire for me to discuss more about the design itself, I’d be happy to do so, with some limits.

Happy listening to all!
 
Sep 28, 2009 at 8:56 PM Post #2 of 37
Owned.

Yay Diverter. I scoffed at it when I had no use for it in my system, but when I got a DAC with only BNC input, I did need it, and it was the most promising product out there, so naturally I wanted to give it a try. No regrets, it sounds as good as it looks.
 
Sep 28, 2009 at 9:44 PM Post #3 of 37
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Owned.

Yay Diverter. I scoffed at it when I had no use for it in my system, but when I got a DAC with only BNC input, I did need it, and it was the most promising product out there, so naturally I wanted to give it a try. No regrets, it sounds as good as it looks.



Thanks Peter.

If you notice above, he mentions that the internals cost more than the chassis design. A product is just not just a combination of parts to Josh, but rather everything coming together to be more than the sum of its parts, ie., gestalt.

Lee
 
Sep 29, 2009 at 3:51 AM Post #4 of 37
Ironically, I've seen the opposite, where someone bought a high-end amp and complained because an error on the lettering on the inputs had been rectified with a stick-on label. I think it's just the nature of life that there are people with many different perspectives, and whatever you do, you'll attract the most vocally extreme.
 
Sep 29, 2009 at 4:27 PM Post #5 of 37
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Ironically, I've seen the opposite, where someone bought a high-end amp and complained because an error on the lettering on the inputs had been rectified with a stick-on label. I think it's just the nature of life that there are people with many different perspectives, and whatever you do, you'll attract the most vocally extreme.


Indeed, Amos, indeed!

Peace,

Lee
 
Sep 29, 2009 at 6:41 PM Post #7 of 37
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the advanced nature of this part was that the designer is using his own proprietary usb to pcm tech, something in the software realm?


I'll let the designer answer that one, as I don't know how much he is willing to divulge. I am under strict NDA.

I'll alert him to this post.

Lee
 
Sep 29, 2009 at 9:49 PM Post #8 of 37
Josh, I really appreciate your coming on this forum and taking the time to write about your design ideals. You are no doubt a gifted audio designer as well an articulate writer! Welcome to Head-fi. I recently placed an order for one of your "future" products based on Lee's recommendation and high praise through the years of all things Sonic Weld, and now, after reading your design philosophy, I am excited to be able to soon experience first hand your work! Thanks again for dropping by.

Finish Well,
dan
 
Sep 30, 2009 at 12:35 AM Post #9 of 37
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Josh, I really appreciate your coming on this forum and taking the time to write about your design ideals. You are no doubt a gifted audio designer as well an articulate writer! Welcome to Head-fi. I recently placed an order for one of your "future" products based on Lee's recommendation and high praise through the years of all things Sonic Weld, and now, after reading your design philosophy, I am excited to be able to soon experience first hand your work! Thanks again for dropping by.

Finish Well,
dan



Check out the thread here, starting on page five, Josh adds some more stuff:


http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f7/sonicweld-cryo-parts-diverter-96-24-usb-spdif-review-445553/index5.html


Soon, Dan, soon, you will have a very nice piece of gear in your hands.

Peace,

Lee
 
Sep 30, 2009 at 1:52 AM Post #10 of 37
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Originally Posted by thisbenjamin /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the advanced nature of this part was that the designer is using his own proprietary usb to pcm tech, something in the software realm?


There are some things I'd claim to be "proprietary" in the design, but as to exactly what they are, I'm going to keep mum and point people to what I've already posted about the design.
 
Sep 30, 2009 at 1:54 AM Post #11 of 37
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Originally Posted by Dan Millheim /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Josh, I really appreciate your coming on this forum and taking the time to write about your design ideals. You are no doubt a gifted audio designer as well an articulate writer! Welcome to Head-fi. I recently placed an order for one of your "future" products based on Lee's recommendation and high praise through the years of all things Sonic Weld, and now, after reading your design philosophy, I am excited to be able to soon experience first hand your work! Thanks again for dropping by.

Finish Well,
dan



Hey Dan! Nice to "meet" you here. Yes, Lee has told me about your Decoder order, and I'm delighted to be working on one for you. I hope you love it, of course.

Thanks for the kind welcome and comments; much appreciated!

Best,

Josh
 
Sep 30, 2009 at 3:23 AM Post #13 of 37
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Check out the thread here, starting on page five, Josh adds some more stuff:


http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f7/sonicweld-cryo-parts-diverter-96-24-usb-spdif-review-445553/index5.html


Soon, Dan, soon, you will have a very nice piece of gear in your hands.

Peace,

Lee



Lee/ Josh, Since you have mentioned the upcoming Decoder Dac in your posts here, when might we have a dedicated thread on this upcoming product? I had to ask, ha.

Finish Well,
dan
 
Sep 30, 2009 at 3:32 AM Post #14 of 37
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Originally Posted by Dan Millheim /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Lee/ Josh, Since you have mentioned the upcoming Decoder Dac in your posts here, when might we have a dedicated thread on this upcoming product? I had to ask, ha.

Finish Well,
dan



Let me build a web page with the details of the upcoming Decoder, and I will post an information thread.

As Josh and I drive to, and back from, RMAF this weekend, we will probably hammer out a lot of final details--either that, or we will hate each other after 20+ hours together in the car.
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If we can get our thoughts together and on paper (or HTML), I will try and get the info up next week.

Peace,

Lee
 
Sep 30, 2009 at 4:32 PM Post #15 of 37
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Great post Josh, love the product.

Looks good even belly-up!

Picasa Web Albums - larry



Thanks! I must confess I never conceived it would be used belly-up, but I did design all surfaces to be as well-finished as any other, so it can certainly be done.
 

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