Shure SE846 Impressions Thread
Dec 14, 2017 at 6:05 PM Post #18,481 of 22,945
Shure SE846: compared to the W80's the first thing I noticed, which surprised me, was that they don't have as much bass as the W80's - or maybe a different kind of bass. Let me try to explain: with the W80 I hear and "feel" the vibrations of the bass in my head more so than with the SE846. This surprised me as Shure advertisements and descriptions from users typically highlighted the SE846 "subwoofer" and bass.

I feel the same about them. The bass, although it's there it isn't exciting. In fact un EQed it's very underwhelming. I need to EQ it using jetAudio's AMD plug in to achieve any form of meat and fullness. But once EQed it starts getting distorted and clipping very quickly and therefore I'm unable to reach the same sound signature as with the "lesser" SE535 LTD-J's
 
Dec 14, 2017 at 6:59 PM Post #18,482 of 22,945
Hi guys,
I've acquired a pair of 846's earlier this year and I've been struggling to fell in love with them since.

Quick question for you owners out there, do you find them to be unbearably loud? I'm struggling to listen to them on anything other than the lowest volume settings and this applies to all my devices (laptops, phones, Sony ZX2 player with jetAudio HD music player). As much as I don't like to use the inline volume control I have to otherwise my ears get massacred by the volume which is frankly too much. It almost sounds like having too much gain on the preamp sometimes. Really annoying.

Comparing them to my 535 ltd-j's the experience is underwhelming. I'm not seeing the x2 price in the quality of sound they produce. Not only that I prefer my JDM 535's since the mids are lush, the highs don't roll off and don't sound grainy and the bass can be dialed in with appropriate amount of EQ. I tried all 3 supplied filters for 846's and the blue ones are the best since the high's sound closest to what the JDM 535's produce (yet they can't match it). White and black can only be described as swimming in the mud which I'm not a fan of.

So before I get rid of the 846's do you have any advice on the points I made? I don't want to go into hardcore modding since this isn't the point of spending this much on non custom iem's.

I appreciate your advice.


That does not sound right. My SE846 sounds around the same volume as my XBA-Z5, as well as JH Lola. I don't listen loud and typically at low volume. The SE846 are not loud at all.

Moving off from SE535 which I sold a while back, I also do not get the "better" sound of SE535 vs my SE846. Perhaps your ears have been "tuned" to SE535 sound and prefer it? In a way, it is great. You get to enjoy your preferred sound at a lower costs (assuming that you still keep your SE535 and get easily sell away your SE846)!

Noticed in your latter posting that your SE846 was not bought first hand from authorised distributors. There are many fakes lurking (not sure of SE846, but seen many SE535 and SE215 fakes). Would you like to post photos of your SE846?
 
Dec 14, 2017 at 7:15 PM Post #18,483 of 22,945
Hello,

I'm not much of a poster on here (but have lurked for a while). I recently decided to upgrade my IEM's and have in my possession both the SE846 and Westone W80 which I have been comparing for about 2-3 weeks.

I wanted to post my opinion on these, in hopes that others may find this information useful as I could not find much information on this forum or the web comparing these two.

First of all, for those not aware there is currently a coupon you can use at earphonesolutions to get 35% off the W80's, bringing them to $975. So price-wise these two earphones are about the same price. I don't know how long this coupon will last or if some form of similar discount has always existed for W80's. If there is some discount somewhere for SE846's I'm unaware of it and earphonesolutions is out of stock. The discount code is "OCT35". Alright now that I saved you $525 if you want to get those let's continue.

A bit about me which may be useful information to you: I've owned and used Westone W4R's for several years (they still work fine). I am 41 years old and according to hearing tests I have trouble perceiving frequencies above 15KHz which I read is somewhat common due to age. I think when I was a teen I listed to a lot of music at high volumes with earbuds so that didn't help either. My wife could hear the same test sounds easily up to the 19-20KHz range so that made me a little sad but oh well. I don't consider myself any sort of "expert audiophile" or whatever. Just a guy who enjoys a quality listening experience. I might not know all the right qualitative words to use.

My setup is: iPhone 7 playing 320kbps downloaded files from Spotify with an Oppo HA-2SE DAC/amp. I typically listen in my office which is essentially a quiet place. I don't commute and listen on buses or the like. The type of music I typically listen to is Pop, Rock, Dance. I always listen with flat or no EQ. When I use the W80 I have the ALO Ref8 cable installed.

Westone 4R: These were my first IEM's coming previously from medium priced dynamic drivers (Sony MDR-EX600). I would say these are not particularly strong in bass if that's what you like but still very good though and separation and clarity very good. Have enjoyed them for many years and still do.

I decided to "splurge" a little and upgrade as I said, hoping and wondering if new more expensive IEM's would give a similar "massive jump" in quality as I experienced when I first moved to the W4R's.

Westone W80: Have a very "full" sound as compared to the W4R. I didn't think the W4R's lacked in any way until I heard these. Excellent separation and clarity, strong bass. Better than the W4R for sure. But what I immediately noticed too is that the W4R's are much stronger in the high's - which I like a lot and the W80's can't do this even with some EQ. Maybe it's a personal preference thing or I have been "trained" by years of use of the W4R's, or it's because I have trouble hearing high frequencies I dunno. All I can say is that for sure higher frequencies are more apparent with the W4R. After some days/weeks of getting accustomed to using the W80's I would say that overall though, they are definitely better than the W4R. I don't miss the high frequencies - unless I swap back to the W4R's (which I then feel sound overall less "lively" and "full" - particularly the lower end/bass).

Shure SE846: compared to the W80's the first thing I noticed, which surprised me, was that they don't have as much bass as the W80's - or maybe a different kind of bass. Let me try to explain: with the W80 I hear and "feel" the vibrations of the bass in my head more so than with the SE846. This surprised me as Shure advertisements and descriptions from users typically highlighted the SE846 "subwoofer" and bass. But it's clear if you switch between W80 and SE846 which I did a lot of back and forth with the same songs for many hours. Volume/impedance of the W80 and SE846 are very close so you don't need to adjust volume as much to make an apples to apples comparison either.

The mids/vocal range of the S846 is more apparent than the W80 or W4R. I don't know if "forward" is the right word. It's a different "signature" that's for sure, very apparent. To me, it sounds like what happens when I increase the "mid tone" setting on an EQ. Overall net effect is not unpleasant, just different. I would say that with the SE846 it sounds a bit closer to hearing the singer's voice live in front of me than with the W80 if I close my eyes and imagine a bit. Is this "signature" better sounding to me? yes and no - it's just different.

I did try all the white/blue/black tubes with the SE846 too. The eartips I used were the silicon Westone tips (same size and type for all three earphones - to try to keep things apples to apples, plus they are what are comfortable to me).

General W80 vs SE846 :

I think in the end I prefer the W80's. I would say that overall they have better separation/clarity of sound and the effect of the lower mid to bass sounds lead to an overall more full, lively, satisfying sound - it's like, there's just "more there". It's slight, but true.

With the W80 I hear, feel, and experience the low frequencies in way that doesn't happen with the SE846. I'm not a bass freak either, and I wouldn't say the bass on the W80 is "overpowering" or drawing a veil over the rest of the sounds (like cheapo earbuds can).

The SE846 definitely have much more forward mids and overall are slight more "in your face". The bass on the SE846 is definitely weaker.

They are both great earphones in their own right - and you likely wouldn't notice the differences unless you did A/B comparing like I have been.

Now, the final nail in the coffin for the SE846, at least for me, is that they are uncomfortable after extended use (like 20 minutes or more). They are just physically larger. After about an hour using them, if I take them off and put the W80's in my ear then it's like I feel physical relief. I have tried to focus on sound quality or signature as my decision making factor - but after many days of testing back and forth I have come to the conclusion that sound wise W80 and SE846 are both very high quality, different "signature" but in general still pretty close in terms of "quality" that someone (at least me) likely only notice the difference when going back and forth. There is no "night and day" difference in quality overall. So with that in mind, the fact that the SE846 become uncomfortable after some time I might as well choose the W80 as the long term keeper.

I hope this info is useful for others contemplating a W80 vs SE846 decision. Definitely music and sound can be subjective and definitely the higher you go in terms of price range there are diminishing returns.

Really nice, detailed impressions. Great post @jadis :) (Don't suppose you're a fan of that amazing band with the same name, are you?) I don't have any issues with fit using the SE846, but I have to give credit to Westone - they know what they're doing with their ergonomics.

I feel the same about them. The bass, although it's there it isn't exciting. In fact un EQed it's very underwhelming. I need to EQ it using jetAudio's AMD plug in to achieve any form of meat and fullness. But once EQed it starts getting distorted and clipping very quickly and therefore I'm unable to reach the same sound signature as with the "lesser" SE535 LTD-J's

It may be that you're a fan of the mid-bass region? The problem with EQ is it only works to amplify parts of the frequency spectrum that exist to begin with. I've never had success EQing in sub-bass from IEMs that had no sub-bass to begin with. Personally, I'm not a fan of a heavy mid-bass, but I've never heard (or seen reported) any bass distortion/clipping with the SE846. @Marvellous_DAP makes a good point; can you post photos? It's also possible that the problem is with your source or with a defective pair of SE846. Your experience with the SE846 is atypical.
 
Dec 14, 2017 at 9:51 PM Post #18,484 of 22,945
Nice one, did you notice any change in sound signature when using it?
I believe the Sound stage May have opened up a bit It was definitely well Worth the $20.
 
Dec 15, 2017 at 8:25 AM Post #18,485 of 22,945
I think that - WAY before we reached the 18,480 posts point - if the prevalent opinions emerging here were that the SE846 was not such a great item, we would have changed the title to the "Shure SE846 depreciation thread" or the "Shure SE846 Not Impressed" thread. For anyone to say SE846 is less than the SE535, that would stand against statistical evidence via numerous testimonies, and therefore I have to assume these are either fakes or are broken.

Westones vs. SE846 is a matter of taste and, in some cases as noted by the person above, comfort.

Terry
 
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Dec 15, 2017 at 3:26 PM Post #18,486 of 22,945
For anyone to say SE846 is less than the SE535, that would stand against statistical evidence via numerous testimonies, and therefore I have to assume these are either fakes or are broken.

Please don't forget that I'm not comparing them to 535's (I've not had a pleasure to listen to them) but rather to the Asian limited edition aka 535 LTD-J's imported directly from Tokyo which is different from regular 535's. I'm also claiming that there's no x2 difference in sound, something that one could expect looking at the price tag. Also I'm quite clear about using EQ to fine tune the 535's to my liking and being able to extract the right amount and quantity of bass that in my opinion exceeds that of stock 846 (and that I can't EQ 846's because they fall apart quickly). And the fact that due to the level of volume they get tiresome pretty fast. And the fact that on anything other than white filters trebles have a nasty roll off resulting in grainy sounding high's and bass being even blander.

I'm not a fan of trebles/mids/lows, I'm a fan of good balanced sound that isn't bland and has a fairly detailed and wide soundstage. 846's sound a bit like those 80s/90s boomboxes that tried too hard to impress and be in your face without excelling in anything in particular.

As for pictures, I'm not sure what you'd like me to take a picture of exactly?
 
Dec 15, 2017 at 3:33 PM Post #18,487 of 22,945
Nothing in higher end hifi or head-fi will ever give 2x sound difference for 2x the price. If that's what you seek, you are in the wrong hobby. Maybe a few percent more (if it could be measured).
 
Dec 15, 2017 at 3:49 PM Post #18,489 of 22,945
@csglinux: This is true as I learned the hard way with attempting to milk non-existent sub-bass from the Sennheiser IE8.

And here I am again attempting to EQ something into the 846s’ treble.

@jadis: Your experience with the 846 is indeed unusual. The only IEMs I know of that have equal, possibly greater, bass quantity, impact, respnance, etc. are the Campfire Audio Vega (which this self-confessed basshead auditioned yesterday).
 
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Dec 15, 2017 at 6:28 PM Post #18,490 of 22,945
The shell of your SE846.

I was going to make the exact same comment on that other point about 2 X the price = 2 X improvement in sound, but Andrew beat me to it :wink:

I'll upload something tomorrow. As for the 2x, yes if I pay 2x I'd expect a noticeable difference, otherwise any product that costs 2x and doesn't deliver can only be referred to as snake oil which means same thing in any sort of hobby. Maybe 2x is a bit too much, I agree but I was expecting to feel like I'm getting something that the 535 (again not regular ones but the Asian ltd-j's) can't deliver. And I'm not talking about fancy packaging and accessories.

Again I must stress that I use perfect fitting custom silicone sleeves and from experience different kinds of tips produce different quality sound. E.g. I like 846's more with triple flange silicone tips, trouble is I can't wear them for longer than 10mins.

And again I must stress 535's (Asian ltd-js) blow my socks off only when they are EQ'ed and DSP'ed to my liking (and I can't achieve similar kind of tweak on 846's)
 
Dec 15, 2017 at 6:44 PM Post #18,491 of 22,945
I'll upload something tomorrow. As for the 2x, yes if I pay 2x I'd expect a noticeable difference, otherwise any product that costs 2x and doesn't deliver can only be referred to as snake oil which means same thing in any sort of hobby. Maybe 2x is a bit too much, I agree but I was expecting to feel like I'm getting something that the 535 (again not regular ones but the Asian ltd-j's) can't deliver. And I'm not talking about fancy packaging and accessories.

Again I must stress that I use perfect fitting custom silicone sleeves and from experience different kinds of tips produce different quality sound. E.g. I like 846's more with triple flange silicone tips, trouble is I can't wear them for longer than 10mins.

And again I must stress 535's (Asian ltd-js) blow my socks off only when they are EQ'ed and DSP'ed to my liking (and I can't achieve similar kind of tweak on 846's)

You're right that different ear-tips produce different sound. You could try SpinFit CP800 tips on your SE846- they are measurably better (in terms of producing a flatter, more linear frequency response) than the custom sleeves you're currently using. See here, for example:

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/shure-se846-impressions-thread.675219/page-1205#post-13617865

I think you've answered your own question about the 535s though. You obviously enjoy that special edition enough to have made it your headfi handle, and as Andrew said, there's absolutely nothing in the audio world that's going to give you a factor 2 improvement in sound. I'd still be interested to see those images of your SE846 shells. But don't stress over this. If you prefer the sound of your 535s, send the 846 back and save yourself a lot of money.
 
Dec 16, 2017 at 12:44 AM Post #18,494 of 22,945
It does not sound right in your description of sound between SE535LTD and SE846. I had SE535LTD before as well (bought from Stereo Singapore and sold it later). We probably have different listening preference but I don’t get what you described on SE846 whether it is white, blue or black filter.

You mentioned that your SE846 plays extremely loud. Mine play the similar volume as my XBA-Z5. Not scientific test, but I get around same volume when plug and unplug to my X7ii with SE846 or Z5. Same test done with my wife’s ZX2. Volume played with ZX2 (without the “sound enhancement off” volume hack) and it is a Singapore version without volume limitation.

Is your SE846 Clear colour or another colour? There are some fakes appearing for Shure and perhaps you could post some photos so we can help to check if it is authentic?

The bass of SE846 does not sound like boom boxes at all, and I will probably say my ASG2.5 (fully opened port) is more closer to that.

Please don't forget that I'm not comparing them to 535's (I've not had a pleasure to listen to them) but rather to the Asian limited edition aka 535 LTD-J's imported directly from Tokyo which is different from regular 535's. I'm also claiming that there's no x2 difference in sound, something that one could expect looking at the price tag. Also I'm quite clear about using EQ to fine tune the 535's to my liking and being able to extract the right amount and quantity of bass that in my opinion exceeds that of stock 846 (and that I can't EQ 846's because they fall apart quickly). And the fact that due to the level of volume they get tiresome pretty fast. And the fact that on anything other than white filters trebles have a nasty roll off resulting in grainy sounding high's and bass being even blander.

I'm not a fan of trebles/mids/lows, I'm a fan of good balanced sound that isn't bland and has a fairly detailed and wide soundstage. 846's sound a bit like those 80s/90s boomboxes that tried too hard to impress and be in your face without excelling in anything in particular.

As for pictures, I'm not sure what you'd like me to take a picture of exactly?
 
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Dec 16, 2017 at 7:17 AM Post #18,495 of 22,945
Well, I had to chime back here.
About a month ago, I lost my beloved se846 on the airport, that I used almost everyday on my comute and on my flights since I bought it, march 2014. So I just ordered a new one, and to my surprise, I think it sounds better than the one I bought back in 2014.
To my ears shure quietly improved the treble extension, and this beast is now better than ever. :ksc75smile:
Btw, according to the box info, it was manufactured on may 2017.
 

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