gael
100+ Head-Fier
Is there an advanced manual for M1S available? Or only for M0?
Shanling M1s - Compact Portable Player (Discontinued)
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Agree - an advanced manual for M1s would be very helpful.
The gain issue on Line Out is a little more complex than simply more is better. When feeding an amp with a non-logarithmic volume control you can end up in the very early stages of the volume control range and my understanding is that some amps have less accurate channel balancing until the volume control is pushed higher.
Would be good to have more in depth information on the DAC, USB Audio and Line Out stuff.
Also, I notice when charging the M1S, it turns on as though expecting data from a PC, then I have to power off for it to show the charging screen. I agree with other posters that having an approximate display of how much the battery is charged would be useful. It doesn't have to be accurate down to the % point. But for me, so far the battery status is the one main weakness of the M1s' UI.
C.
The gain issue on Line Out is a little more complex than simply more is better. When feeding an amp with a non-logarithmic volume control you can end up in the very early stages of the volume control range and my understanding is that some amps have less accurate channel balancing until the volume control is pushed higher.
Would be good to have more in depth information on the DAC, USB Audio and Line Out stuff.
Also, I notice when charging the M1S, it turns on as though expecting data from a PC, then I have to power off for it to show the charging screen. I agree with other posters that having an approximate display of how much the battery is charged would be useful. It doesn't have to be accurate down to the % point. But for me, so far the battery status is the one main weakness of the M1s' UI.
C.
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No plans for that.
If you have amplifier that has issue with channel balance, just run M1s at like 50% volume out and it should be better.
What details would you be interested in in regards to DAC, USB Audio out and Line out?
We do not plan any adjustments to charging screen or battery level.
Line Out is fixed at 100% - at least that what I thought.
Re. Low Gain (DAP) + Higher Volume (Amplifier) vs High Gain (DAP) + Low Volume (Amplifier) :
https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...o-use-low-gain-or-high-gain.22156/post-735175
If you look at that thread - this was all stuff I had to ask on forums and via internet searches (i.e. the kind of stuff that should be in a manual):
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...a07-via-usb-c-to-rca-cable.45454/post-1624598
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Oh, and while I'm here. If I want to create a playlist and import it.
The structure on exported playlists (m3u) =
A:\Folder\track.flac
So I create the playlists I want on my PC and place it in the M1S playlist export folder.
The M1S imports the playlists no problem and can read the tracks and play them. But it fails to properly scan / read all the meta data (even though those files appear in the library and all their data is present., Any idea why the M1s is not properly picking up the meta data on imported playlists when it can find the tracks from its library (where the data is all present) ?
C.
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If your amplifier has any issue with voltage in Line-out mode, just turn off the line-out mode and set volume at lower level.
Our system is unable to read tags correctly when running from imported playlists. Issue on software team side.
Thanks for the update on imported playlists and meta-data - hopefully that can get fixed for a future firmware update.
As for the amplifier "issue" -- my amp is fine - but something a manual might address are such issues as Gain vs Volume (there's plenty on the internet about channel accuracy at very low volumes on amplifiers).
The general (consensus) advice (from researching this) is that if you're using Line Out and don't need the extra gain, keep gain on Low and let the amp do more of the heavy lifting via its volume control. That's what I've done (after researching this) -- but again this kind of advice might find its way into a manual. As well as a better description of what USB Audio does / is for and how it bypasses the internal DAC. Also you could state that the L/O bypasses channel balancing. This is the kind of thing a more technical "advanced" manual would go into.
I bought the player mainly as a mini music player for a small room. So M1s > Amplifier (Class D) > Passive Speakers --- it's doing a great job and in the main I'm very happy with it. I realise that most people will use this as a DAP > Headphones. But having a proper L/O option is really useful and is one of the main reasons I purchased the M1s.
I just feel there are a few minor issues that if addressed would nudge the M1s closer to being perfect.
Cheers,
C.
As for the amplifier "issue" -- my amp is fine - but something a manual might address are such issues as Gain vs Volume (there's plenty on the internet about channel accuracy at very low volumes on amplifiers).
The general (consensus) advice (from researching this) is that if you're using Line Out and don't need the extra gain, keep gain on Low and let the amp do more of the heavy lifting via its volume control. That's what I've done (after researching this) -- but again this kind of advice might find its way into a manual. As well as a better description of what USB Audio does / is for and how it bypasses the internal DAC. Also you could state that the L/O bypasses channel balancing. This is the kind of thing a more technical "advanced" manual would go into.
I bought the player mainly as a mini music player for a small room. So M1s > Amplifier (Class D) > Passive Speakers --- it's doing a great job and in the main I'm very happy with it. I realise that most people will use this as a DAP > Headphones. But having a proper L/O option is really useful and is one of the main reasons I purchased the M1s.
I just feel there are a few minor issues that if addressed would nudge the M1s closer to being perfect.
Cheers,
C.
Just in case anyone is interested in the Vol vs Gain and Amplifier Volumes / Channel imbalances at low volumes (this thread on ASR covers it):
Source: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-imbalances-at-low-volumes.14276/#post-438711
Thus, if the player chain is : DAP > Amplifier > Passive Speakers, sometimes it's better to do L/O with Low Gain (as it states in the manual ... oh wait, it doesn't).
C.
Source: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-imbalances-at-low-volumes.14276/#post-438004
Source: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-imbalances-at-low-volumes.14276/#post-438711
Thus, if the player chain is : DAP > Amplifier > Passive Speakers, sometimes it's better to do L/O with Low Gain (as it states in the manual ... oh wait, it doesn't).
C.
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ipaddy
human bean
Just got it.
Buttons on the front is perfect. Pause, forward to next, or back to beginning of song or earlier.
Great for when I have turned off the screen all else, yet the buttons still respond. No need to try to see which button i am touching.
As for the interface, my fingers quickly got used to sliding as needed.
And sound is great.
RickInHouston
100+ Head-Fier
Ah, another Porta Pro lover! I run with these dorky things! But, they are the best throw away headphones on the market PERIOD. I have the M0. I was thinking of getting the M0 Pro, but now the M1S is calling my name. I would like the bigger (screen) size, but is it too big.?. I'll have to glue a clip to the back of it, though - but big deal!Headphones in my collection that this DAP sounds amazing with:
1. Klipsch HP3
2. Koss Porta Pro
Consider trying them out if you love this DAP
wcrespo178
Head-Fier
On its own, the M1S is thick yet small. It's certainly light enough for a clip-on type of setup. However, I found it too bulky for a DAP-->DAC setup with my Chord Mojo 2.
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ma151
100+ Head-Fier
@Shanling any updates on TIDAL support ?
What about the playback of DSD + .cue files, it's already fixed ? (the player can recognize the .cue file and split the DSD file on to tracks ?)
What about the playback of DSD + .cue files, it's already fixed ? (the player can recognize the .cue file and split the DSD file on to tracks ?)
Hiby r3pro is the one for mojo.
No update on Tidal.
For cue issue, can't remember right now, did you test it with firmware V2.0?
Tidal Update - We now have a working beta!
Who will send us a direct message(With title "M1S Tidal Beta") in next hour will get a link to the beta firmware, for you to try over weekend.
Please be aware this is a beta version for testing, so we expect some possible issues and we are releasing it to smaller group for testing and feedback.
Who will send us a direct message(With title "M1S Tidal Beta") in next hour will get a link to the beta firmware, for you to try over weekend.
Please be aware this is a beta version for testing, so we expect some possible issues and we are releasing it to smaller group for testing and feedback.
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