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Shanling M0 - Nano size, touch screen, LDAC & aptX BT, USB DAC/transport and ESS Sabre ES9218P, FW 3.2

Discussion in 'Portable Source Gear' started by Shanling, Mar 16, 2018.
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  1. Shanling
    I apologize, my mistake, I overlooked in Datasheet of 9218P, it has DSD and DoP, not DoP and D2P as I though.

    So yes, ES9218p can do native transport, sorry for confusion.
     
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  2. P3108
    Right so what are the DoP/D2P settings on the M0 doing then and why can't the M0 support DSD native up to DSD 256 as the ES9218P can?
     
  3. Shanling
    Cpu limitation. Already DSD128 in DoP is too much on this tiny but heroic device.
     
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  4. P3108
    Yes but that is because DSD128 over DoP is using the full limit of 384khz PCM. It would be less stress to use the native transport and decode and DSD128 and probably DSD256.

    Moreover why are you not implementing the DSD native transport and decode for any DSD including most common DSD64.

    This I believe would solve the clicks and pops that are an inherent problem with DoP/on fly D2P.
     
  5. P3108
    Also, I can't see anywhere that ESS are claiming that the ES9218P is Hi-Res Audio Certified. I'm not quite sure that what you have stated is correct, I understand it that the device (M0) is certified not the chip (ES9218P).
     
  6. pluscubed
    I echo what @Czoken said above: in USB DAC mode, sometimes there is basically 0 delay (less than 50ms), sometimes it is up to 400-500ms.

    Setting the sampling rate to 176 or 192khz seems to help reduce the delay. Unplugging/replugging after a while also keeps the delay minimal. (I'm using Windows 10.)

    Is this a hardware or software issue?
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2018
  7. Czoken
    Finally someone on same page as me. I really like shanling, and how it CAN have low latency via BT, but cant via usb. Why is that so? Also it actually can have this latency, but something doesn't work right. It's shame.
     
  8. abitdeef
    If it makes you feel better both my ak70 and ZX300 has/had latency problems in dac mode.
     
  9. pluscubed
    Still though, the hardware seems capable, considering that there is no delay during the first 5-10 minutes after plugging it in. Also, from what I've read, the Hidizs AP80 uses the same ES9218P DAC, but doesn't have any delay issues in USB DAC mode. What gives?
     
  10. endgame4
    Completely different devices and completely different software? The same chip does not mean it is the same device.
     
  11. Toulouse
    The M0 looks like a player I would use daily if only it could read external playlists. Hopefully Shanling will address this in a future update.
     
  12. zaero69
    I have one question. At playback - Filter
    what are the differences between all the options?
    • Linear Fast
    • Linear Slow
    • Minimum Fast,
    • Minimum Slow
    • Apodizing Fast 1
    • Apodizing Fast 2
    • Corrected Min
    • Corrected Fast
    • Brick Wall
     
  13. endgame4
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2018
  14. rkt31
    So far great as transport to Hugo 2 but problems with DSD dop. Is there any solution yet ? Did not shanling engineers check dsd dop before release. I bought it mainly for dsd transport. One more thing is the that the name of song is not visible due to small screen. Horizontal scrolling of name would have been better .
     
  15. Vimtoman
    On the list of the songs you can swipe to the left and it will scroll the text
     
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