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Come on, give the man some credit. I thought his post was very well written and informative and all you can say is "nope".
I'm not even sure your graphs prove your point. Since when did distorsion equal texture?
Thanks for the rescue, but no worries, Raven and I prod each other on a daily basis, particularly when it comes to HD650 and various FR graphs
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Since when does distortion equal texture? Can you describe to me what texture is in the first place? I feel it's one of those audiophile terms people throw around that's very wrong half the time it's used to begin with. At its purest form, the less harmonic distortion a bass has means the less muddy it will be. It's a big reason why D2000 has a muddy bass in comparison to the headphones we're talking about in this thread. All too often on head-fi, the term 'bass texture' gets thrown around when a headphone has quantitively less bass, more bass distortion and more apparent midrange-treble components that go along with traditional bass instruments. People confuse hearing more of those higher frequency harmonics of the instruments as additional texture to the bass. What bass texture really should be? The simple ability to discern pure bass notes from another, especially in complex passages where multiple bass might be playing in unison.
I've always understood "texture" to mean detail in the bass range and the rendering of the subtle pitch shifts at low frequency that are very difficult to reproduce, both on small diaphragms, and large (speaker/sub) diaphragms. Often the headphones with lower quantity tend to produce superior texture (eg. K70x), and only a few rare golden headphones master quantity
and texture (Audeze, HE-6, HD800 after a fashion if set up right and Jupiter is aligned with Venus. ....) I think that's pretty much the commonly understood definition. Outside Denon threads, anyway
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I couldn't stand them compared to the HD650
Certainly fair. They're both extremely different. There's a lot to love about HD650, and they scale amazingly well. It's been my favorite for many years, and few measure up. HE-400 is one of the few headphones that I can see as a true equal to them in different aspects, ironically. Even in the presence of mighty HE-6, HD650 isn't going anywhere
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Well - I'm not a 100% convinced but at least I see what you're saying. Still think it seems like the HE-500 is the superior headphone all things considered, not that the HE-400 isn't good value for money. Thanks for the discussion none the less - learned a little about looking at frequency respone graphs.
Do it all the time, go for it. Only bloody good thing that came out of joining the EU.
It almost certainly is superior, if only slightly technically superior in most areas. However I think Raven's point is that HE-400's bass is superior, overall, however the rest of HE-500 may be superior. For someone craving good bass, though, HE-400 needs to be on the table. Especially when the word "Denon" appears in their "like" list
