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The HD 650 has the opposite of a plastic feel since the frequency response usually drops in sibilance prone regions.

Make sure your drivers are mounted well and the cups are all firmly secured and nothing is loose. Also if you removed the foam in front or behind the driver you will get that plastic sound.

 

[Beztis]

Dude is this all for real?!?! You have been on quite a run the last few days here and on the Hd800 board. It's borderline trolling in my opinion.

I'm not trying to troll, it's just one of those things like how everybody always told me that once you get a macbook you can never use a PC again (I was in the air force btw) and there is absolutely no practicality in macs, even people who try to throw the "macs are better for video editing" bs, most if not all professionals that use macs for video editing are using adoebe premieier (which is basically ported from windows)
 
and the same way with AKG, they were considered the triumvirate with hd650 and beyerdyanmics, but it's like saying that having your head massaged by a beautiful blonde (hd650) is the same as getting into a car crash (akg) or setting your hair on fire (beyerdynamics). It makes  ZERO sense to me why anybody would buy any other headphones besides sennheiser, and if you are going spend more than 1700$ for headphones, why buy from a company that only recently popped up in the  previous years ago (audeze anyone?) against a company that has countless years of credibility of amazing customer service and quality.
 
For example the HD800s are considered the best headphones out there (i still haven't auditioned them yet though) - yet the audeze LCD-2 is only the entry level LCD....it doesn't make sense to buy anything besides sennheiser.
 
Even if you are the kind of person that believes it makes sense to spend more than a few hundred dollars on dacs/amps, why spend 4000 dollars on a headphone amp that looks like it cost about 100$ bucks to make from a company whose website looks like it's made using yahoo geocities from 10+ years ago, when you can get SENNHEISERS own dac/amp for 2200$ (which they use for the demo of the HD800 at shows to give the best impression they can. 
 
As for the people who believe that "cable upgrades" are worth it, I'm pretty sure they are just salesmen in disguise. 
 
 
4000
 

 
 
 
300$
 

 
 
2200$ (if i had the money and wanted something that looked nice, this is the only one i'd get)
 

 
 
 
300$ (be all end all)
 

 

[penmarker]

And that's your opinion.

 

[Letmebefrank]

Holy cow! That was one heck of a fanboy rant right there!
 
People will buy what they want and like what they want, and you going off on the internet about it isn't going to change anybodies mind.

 

[raybone0566]

I really enjoyed the k712 when I had them. Much more than the 600. Kennerton Vali arriving early next week, will see how it matches up against the 650.
Anyone looking to get another set of cans should look into the focal elear's. I've heard nothing but good things & tyill at inner fidelity referred to them as the best sub 1 k headphone on the planet.

 

[kman1211]

I really enjoyed the k712 when I had them. Much more than the 600. Kennerton Vali arriving early next week, will see how it matches up against the 650.
Anyone looking to get another set of cans should look into the focal elear's. I've heard nothing but good things & tyill at inner fidelity referred to them as the best sub 1 k headphone on the planet.

I feel the same about the K712, liked it more than the HD 600. I disliked the K7XX though. I am curious about the Kennerton Vali and if it's an upgrade from the HD 650. I do have the Elears in my sights as well. Just not sure if I should go for the Kennertons or the Elear. The wild-card is the upcoming DT 1990, hopefully it's more in line with the HD 600's or HD 650's tuning than previous Beyer open backs.

 

[Youth]

I feel the same about the K712, liked it more than the HD 600. I disliked the K7XX though. I am curious about the Kennerton Vali and if it's an upgrade from the HD 650. I do have the Elears in my sights as well. Just not sure if I should go for the Kennertons or the Elear. The wild-card is the upcoming DT 1990, hopefully it's more in line with the HD 600's or HD 650's tuning than previous Beyer open backs.

Don't count on it. Beyerdynamic loves treble.

 

[kman1211]

Don't count on it. Beyerdynamic loves treble.

On their open backs, closed-backs it varies. They do have a few closed-backs that aren't really bright such as the DT 150 and the new DT 1770. I'm not going to get my hopes up too much, it's most likely going to be somewhat v-shaped.

 

[Youth]

On their open backs, closed-backs it varies. They do have a few closed-backs that aren't really bright such as the DT 150 and the new DT 1770. I'm not going to get my hopes up too much, it's most likely going to be somewhat v-shaped.

Yeah I own the DT150 and it's the only one in their entire lineup that I like.

 

[Black Phoenix]

I was curious to know if anyone compared the HD650 to the AKG K601 or K612.

 

[DivineCurrent]

I was curious to know if anyone compared the HD650 to the AKG K601 or K612.

Its been a while since ive heard the K612, but ill give it a shot. The HD 650 right away has more warmth in the bass, but both have the same extension of bass (the 650s probably go a little deeper though). I remember the K612 having a more forward lower treble/high mids, which made the sound a bit unnatural in my opinion. Analytical and flat best describe the K612, at least compared to the 650. I also remember the K612 having a higher treble presence than the 650, a bit less smooth. For my tastes, the HD650 are the better headphone. That being said, the K612 is a great value at $150 or less. It has that AKG house sound that is a little analytical with good soundstage.

 

[raybone0566]

I feel the same about the K712, liked it more than the HD 600. I disliked the K7XX though. I am curious about the Kennerton Vali and if it's an upgrade from the HD 650. I do have the Elears in my sights as well. Just not sure if I should go for the Kennertons or the Elear. The wild-card is the upcoming DT 1990, hopefully it's more in line with the HD 600's or HD 650's tuning than previous Beyer open backs.

Wasn't aware of this dt1990. I had the t1 for a bit. Very revealing but only matched well with a good tube amp. 650 is & will probably remain my go to phone. The engagement factor is unmatched.

 

[kman1211]

Wasn't aware of this dt1990. I had the t1 for a bit. Very revealing but only matched well with a good tube amp. 650 is & will probably remain my go to phone. The engagement factor is unmatched.

It's not coming out till later this year, was just announced not long ago, since it's a Pro Beyer it's likely going to be darker than the likes of the T1. True the T1 does require the right tube amp to sound right.
 
The HD 650 is a very engaging headphone, some reason the HD 600 didn't have much of the euphony the HD 650 had to me(which is largely why I wasn't a huge fan of the HD 600 despite liking it's vocals more), the HD 580, 545, 565 all had the euphony the HD 650 has though. I have owned a couple headphones I view as more engaging than the HD 650. The two most engaging headphones I've owned are the DT 1770 and the vintage DT 480(dampening modded). I seriously hope the DT 1990 has the musicality of the DT 1770. I'm curious how engaging long-term you find the Kennerton Vali, long-term engagement factor is the top priority for me.

 

[Psalmanazar]

Hey man the AKG K7XX/K712 and the Beyerdynamic DT 880 600 ohms are good; they just don't really scale up as you upgrade your chain and still have some midrange problems compared to the Sennheisers. The AKG K701/2/Qwhatever sounds honky, bright and terrible while other Beyers and the 80 and 250 ohm DT 880 just sound distroted. Hell even the Dt 880 600 ohm sounds metallic in the treble where the distortion rises dramatically and the 250 ohms is infinitely worse. The K7xx/712 are even warmer than the 650, have a treble spike, and a hole in the upper mids/staging. The real market problem is these headphones are not that much cheaper than the 600/650, less detailed,  audibly much more distorted, and to use them you still need to spend at least another 200-300 bucks for the Schiit M2U stack (the cheapest things worth buying) so your only saving a hundred bucks in total and won't get any better as you upgrade your chain. The price differential isn't really the MSRP of 200 bucks for K7XX or a Beyer  vs 500 for the HD 650; it's more 400 vs 500/600 and your sound will just be audibly worse with the AKG/Beyer.
 
The old big three of K702, DT 880, and HD 600 weren't really equal as the Sennheisers were a step above the other 2 and used newer technology (early 90s vs mid 80s) that was much better engineered (the orpheus tech and housing drifted down). That's still better than the HD 800 vs "endgame" planars / electrostats which tend to have zero dynamics and don't reflect the staging and panning created on a mixing console at all other than hard panning left or right. That's 21st century technology vs the 1970s! Hopefully Fostex will finally stick their biocellulose drivers in a headphone competitive with the HD 600/650/800 and the new Focals are actually great and won't break in a month like the Focal Spirit Pro. Wait they were already recalled...

 

[SSSN]

Has anyone here heard significant improvements by throwing more expensive/powerful solid-state amplifiers at the HD650? I used it with a Fiio E10K (High Gain), O2, Schiit Magni 2, Violectric HPA V90 and JDS Labs The Element. Changes were extremely subtle, almost non-existant.