steven1859
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I am currently using the Yulong D100 amp/dac and Schiit Valhalla amp with my HD 650's it is an incredible sounding combination!
I am currently using the Yulong D100 amp/dac and Schiit Valhalla amp with my HD 650's it is an incredible sounding combination!
Well, I enjoy the mids and, until I heard the CAL!s recently (which I do not hold as a benchmark on anything, they just, um, opened my ears?), the bass. I thought them just perfect for blues, jazz and classic, and even though their highs aren't as forward as I'd like I often use them for metal and electronica, too, they are definitely all around competent.
The DT990 I was planning on buying before my sub-bass itch started, I was thinking of complementing my HD650 for movies and games, not really for music.
EDIT: Listening to Rachael Price's rendition of That Old Black Magic and damn, I love these headphones. It's pure pleasure listening to this recording, but I still feel that the bass should be... more.
I don't really see using the HD650's for games and movies. They don't have a suitable signature IMO. They're laidback and relatively dark when underpowered. It took a Zana Deux to get me to love this headphone, before which I felt they were slow and unexciting. The soundstage, while expansive with the right gear, is deep rather than wide. Something big and airy would probably be better for movies and games. I would check out the Denon D1100's as a possible candidate. They are pretty cheap and bass heavy, but with a nice soundstage for a closed can, with decent air and quite fun overall.
The HD650 is often described as a warmer/dark hp which mitigates listening fatigue... but how dark are they? Compared to the CAL, are the HD650 darker or brighter? I do enjoy the Senn PX200ii - and while I would describe them as a bass/mid centric phone, I'm hoping the HD650 sounds brighter than PX200ii.
I get a kick out of how many people compare so many things to the HD650's. Or they find the HD650's are the one's they can compromise on. FWIW, I have found them to be a more universally engaging HP than most. So far all of the superphones all have either more particular comfort zones or require a particular amp setup to get the best from them. I have really admired and enjoyed the HD800's. I even listened to them with a set of Entreq custom cables. Nice for sure (North of $2K not counting amp/dac) Seems to be a similar situation for HE-6/LCD-2 or 3/T1, etc)
Are there better phones? Sure, but the cost benefit analysis has a strong liking for the HD650's and their generally flexible and more affordable nature. You can play in the clouds and not burn the wallet to the ground. My .02
Now, back to Norah and my HD650's.....
Of the headphones you named I actually believe the HE6 represents the better cost value (DAC + AMP). Paired with a good vintage amplifier (I use the Marantz 2285 and Pioneer SX1280, both of which were south of $500) I don't believe a similar setup can be found for the money ($1300 used for headphones + amp). I have spent more time and money tinkering with the 650's, finally settling on a Zana Deux/ Beta 22 and the Stefan Equinox cable. I adore my HD650's and I would say among my phones, they receive as much and likely more listening time than anything else (due mostly to my preference for jazz). But it took plenty of experimentation (mostly cables and amps, less than a handful of sources) to get here.
Ok I see what you mean but do we really need to enjoy these cans. ?
The HD650 is often described as a warmer/dark hp which mitigates listening fatigue... but how dark are they? Compared to the CAL, are the HD650 darker or brighter? I do enjoy the Senn PX200ii - and while I would describe them as a bass/mid centric phone, I'm hoping the HD650 sounds brighter than PX200ii.
I don't really see using the HD650's for games and movies. They don't have a suitable signature IMO. They're laidback and relatively dark when underpowered. It took a Zana Deux to get me to love this headphone, before which I felt they were slow and unexciting. The soundstage, while expansive with the right gear, is deep rather than wide. Something big and airy would probably be better for movies and games. I would check out the Denon D1100's as a possible candidate. They are pretty cheap and bass heavy, but with a nice soundstage for a closed can, with decent air and quite fun overall.
I get a kick out of how many people compare so many things to the HD650's. Or they find the HD650's are the one's they can compromise on. FWIW, I have found them to be a more universally engaging HP than most. So far all of the superphones all have either more particular comfort zones or require a particular amp setup to get the best from them. I have really admired and enjoyed the HD800's. I even listened to them with a set of Entreq custom cables. Nice for sure (North of $2K not counting amp/dac) Seems to be a similar situation for HE-6/LCD-2 or 3/T1, etc)
Are there better phones? Sure, but the cost benefit analysis has a strong liking for the HD650's and their generally flexible and more affordable nature. You can play in the clouds and not burn the wallet to the ground. My .02
Now, back to Norah and my HD650's.....
Of the headphones you named I actually believe the HE6 represents the better cost value (DAC + AMP). Paired with a good vintage amplifier (I use the Marantz 2285 and Pioneer SX1280, both of which were south of $500) I don't believe a similar setup can be found for the money ($1300 used for headphones + amp). I have spent more time and money tinkering with the 650's, finally settling on a Zana Deux/ Beta 22 and the Stefan Equinox cable. I adore my HD650's and I would say among my phones, they receive as much and likely more listening time than anything else (due mostly to my preference for jazz). But it took plenty of experimentation (mostly cables and amps, less than a handful of sources) to get here.
According to an audio engineer and some other people in the trade, they roll off most recordings at 60Hz because most people dislike real sub-bass and or their systems don't reproduce it well. There are obvious exceptions like classical and electronic, though.
In this superfast age of the internet it seems like most people are using the worst headphones and speakers ever. A pair of Portapro and a decent Walkman would be a better alternative to what half the people are using.
According to an audio engineer and some other people in the trade, they roll off most recordings at 60Hz because most people dislike real sub-bass and or their systems don't reproduce it well. There are obvious exceptions like classical and electronic, though.
In this superfast age of the internet it seems like most people are using the worst headphones and speakers ever. A pair of Portapro and a decent Walkman would be a better alternative to what half the people are using.
Can only agree - there's a reason why all mainstream music sounds the same.
It needs to be snappy and catchy enough to catch people's attention, and it needs to play in the 1000-10.000 Hz range where even the radio at you local burger can play it ok.
Then there's another problem - when serious artist try to do real music that sound good on mid-range system we with our high-end systems actually suffer. Because something that was mid-range focused suddenly becomes bass-heavy when presented with a system that actually is able to produce that bass 100%.
Which is why I'm a big fan of EQ'ing. Not out of disrespect for the artist but OUT OF respect for the artist - wrap your heads around that one.
I'll listen to basically any MFSL disc or studio master, because if it's popular enough to warrant a niche re-release, it's obviously got some qualities.
Basically old R.E.M. albums and Miles Davis sound a million times better than Californication, but I guess that's true regardless of the actual production.