brasewel
1000+ Head-Fier
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I keep trying, without success, to find a headphone I like better than my 650's. So far, I haven't.
That's awesome. It means you don't have to keep spending. Have you tried any of the top-tier headphones?
I keep trying, without success, to find a headphone I like better than my 650's. So far, I haven't.
...If you're interested in cables, start out with something CHEAP and just make a Mogami cable (80 cents per foot!). It's quite easy and It will cost you less than $40 (half of it goes to Cardas Connectors). I did this and heard a difference and it was worth every penny.
This varies between cables based on my experience. To me, probably less than 5% difference. To MY ears, each wire I've tried made my headphones sound different. For example, on the Canare with the HD-650 I lost treble and got the impression of less sound clarity. It could have been due to the increase in bass. Despite this, it did do a few things better than stock. I don't suggest Canare for the HD-650 at all.
If you're interested in cables, start out with something CHEAP and just make a Mogami cable (80 cents per foot!). It's quite easy and It will cost you less than $40 (half of it goes to Cardas Connectors). I did this and heard a difference and it was worth every penny. I now am curious if the more expensive DHC and Cardas wire will be even an upgrade to the Mogami. I hope so. Even if it's a 3% improvement over the Mogami, than that's good enough for me, but I still have my doubts. I'd make my own cable though with bulk wire. I'm too cheap and would never buy a pre-built cable over $200. If you want to make a Double Helix cable it will cost about $60 for the wire in bulk..so under $90 to DIY. I didn't even know how to solder 2 months ago and doing this saved me some money and it's kind of fun.
For me, the Mogami didn't change the HD-650's signature much at all, just improve what is already there. Felt like there was a clearer sound, more detail and I got the impression of a larger soundstage. Then if you don't feel there is a difference you can just sell off the cable. Some might not hear a difference, but I sure did. Strangely there was a bigger difference when I put the Mogami on the 598. Not sure why.
I wonder if there's any good cheap wire that's even better than the Mogami that's around the same price. So far I've heard of Belden, Gotham and a few others...don't know much about them. It seems the DIY people only use Canare or Mogami.
BTW that cable in the link has a fair price. You're paying a little for labor obviously, but for many it's worth it. Making it yourself (with the same DHC) would only save you less than $40 probably.
thanks for you feedback you helped me to clear the matter and I have reached the conclusion that it is not recommended changing the unbalanced stock cable.Completely different if we talk about balanced cable, for this there are many entusiastic opinions
thanks for you feedback
you helped me to clear the matter and I have reached the conclusion that it is not recommended changing the unbalanced stock cable.Completely different if we talk about balanced cable, for this there are many entusiastic opinions
I don't think that's a wise conclusion. You should hear for yourself.
I would never go back to stock cable after changing mine.. I suppose it all depends on what you are after with the 650's as the stock is pretty good; natural, balanced and suits it. But I prefer the little more bass prescence and attack that I got.
OK so I just got the HD650s today.
The earcups are at an angle in comparison to the headband. Are the earcups supposed to be resting on your head straight with the headband slightly tilting forward, or the headband straight with earcup on your ear a bit tilted?
This varies between cables based on my experience. To me, probably less than 5% difference. To MY ears, each wire I've tried made my headphones sound different. For example, on the Canare with the HD-650 I lost treble and got the impression of less sound clarity. It could have been due to the increase in bass. Despite this, it did do a few things better than stock. I don't suggest Canare for the HD-650 at all.
If you're interested in cables, start out with something CHEAP and just make a Mogami cable (80 cents per foot!). It's quite easy and It will cost you less than $40 (half of it goes to Cardas Connectors). I did this and heard a difference and it was worth every penny. I now am curious if the more expensive DHC and Cardas wire will be even an upgrade to the Mogami. I hope so. Even if it's a 3% improvement over the Mogami, than that's good enough for me, but I still have my doubts. I'd make my own cable though with bulk wire. I'm too cheap and would never buy a pre-built cable over $200. If you want to make a Double Helix cable it will cost about $60 for the wire in bulk..so under $90 to DIY. I didn't even know how to solder 2 months ago and doing this saved me some money and it's kind of fun.
For me, the Mogami didn't change the HD-650's signature much at all, just improve what is already there. Felt like there was a clearer sound, more detail and I got the impression of a larger soundstage. Then if you don't feel there is a difference you can just sell off the cable. Some might not hear a difference, but I sure did. Strangely there was a bigger difference when I put the Mogami on the 598. Not sure why.
I wonder if there's any good cheap wire that's even better than the Mogami that's around the same price. So far I've heard of Belden, Gotham and a few others...don't know much about them. It seems the DIY people only use Canare or Mogami.
BTW that cable in the link has a fair price. You're paying a little for labor obviously, but for many it's worth it. Making it yourself (with the same DHC) would only save you less than $40 probably.
nice piece. what cha thunk of cryo'd mogami neglex 2534 at $2.09/ft sold at a canadian online retailer here. i've been vacillating btwn just a normal 2543 at $1/ft & tis cryo stuff a 2x the price. grant at a 10ft length, its only $10 more! LOL. anyone here have any experience with cryo treated cable as opposed to normal?
ps:$9 shipping for a $13 items seems a tad #$%@ up fo sho! LOL
Quote:I would never go back to stock cable after changing mine.. I suppose it all depends on what you are after with the 650's as the stock is pretty good; natural, balanced and suits it. But I prefer the little more bass prescence and attack that I got.
When I changed out the stock LCD-2 cable to the Norse cable it was like an epiphany it was not a subtle difference it was like WOW and I used to be a cable disbeliever...
Most of my interconnect cables are blue jeans they make some fine cheap quality cables