Sennheiser HD 660S2 thread
Mar 30, 2023 at 6:37 PM Post #2,896 of 6,561
with atrium in your collection there is absolutely no need for 660s2.....

if you try zmf pef pads on 660s2(it amends the 4k dip) you will feel that 660s2 is a poor man‘s atrium
i gotta disagree on the no need for the S2 with an Atrium in house. i also have both, and absolutely feel the need for both. the ZMF is like my baby, it's big, heavy, and must be handled with care. granted i can shake it like i can't the kiddos, but you get the drift. gotta baby that baby. the S2 is just a headphone to me. i'm generally careful with my stuff but if i toss it down hard and give it a scuff i could care less. need to toss it in a bag for travel? sure why not. would i toss the baby in the bag? nope! maybe the real kiddos... but i digress! but joking aside, yeah sonically the Atrium is the superior set, but when you factor in non-sonic use, the S2 is mighty useful to have around. my fat butt needs to get back to jogging, and i'm thinking of using one of my 6 series for that. no way i'm jogging with aged cherry on this noggin...
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 7:16 PM Post #2,897 of 6,561
You may very well be right about that. The only thing I like about the HD600 series is that they're so damned light and comfortable for all-day WFH sessions. I never wear my ZMFs for that length of time. They're just too big and bulky. I also wear my 6XX and 660S outside while walking the dogs and hanging in the yard quite often. ZMFs aren't really cut out for that.

Right now I'm just not feeling like the S2 is a suitable replacement for the OG. The extended subbass isn't really adding anything to my enjoyment of my music. I hear it, but it's just sort of there. It's not rocking my world or anything.

Again, I could totally do a 180 on these opinions as I spend more time with the S2, but this is where I'm at right now.

Source, DAC and amp?
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 9:06 PM Post #2,898 of 6,561
I'm warming up to the S2, fellas. No need to freak out, LOL.
Source, DAC and amp?
Right now listening to this chain:
Topping D70 => Ragnarok2 => Earmax Pro => 660S2
I can also plug in the Bifrost, which I may do tomorrow. And I may listen straight off the Rag2 to see what the SS sound is like on these.

I went for a quick backcountry ski to give my ears a break, and coming back to the S2 after this reset I have to say I'm enjoying them a bit more. Maybe I just needed a little time out in the woods, connecting to nature, and not staring at a stupid computer screen.

Also, re: Atrium vs 660S2 I agree with @erics75 that these 2 can easily coexist in one's collection.

The graphs I've seen of the various ZMF headphones are all on crinnacle's site: https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/graphtool/
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 9:09 PM Post #2,899 of 6,561
Hi, how does it compare to the silver cousin of sennheiser? :D You know what I mean...
Yeah. I have yet to compare them side by side. So far I've been more concentrated on the OG/S2 comparisons. I think I probably will like the NDH30 more, but I'm not going to say any more without doing a proper A/B. I also need to spend more time getting used to the S2. It's growing on me. Stay tuned...
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 9:13 PM Post #2,900 of 6,561
I'm warming up to the S2, fellas. No need to freak out, LOL.

Right now listening to this chain:
Topping D70 => Ragnarok2 => Earmax Pro => 660S2
I can also plug in the Bifrost, which I may do tomorrow. And I may listen straight off the Rag2 to see what the SS sound is like on these.

I went for a quick backcountry ski to give my ears a break, and coming back to the S2 after this reset I have to say I'm enjoying them a bit more. Maybe I just needed a little time out in the woods, connecting to nature, and not staring at a stupid computer screen.

Also, re: Atrium vs 660S2 I agree with @erics75 that these 2 can easily coexist in one's collection.

The graphs I've seen of the various ZMF headphones are all on crinnacle's site: https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/graphtool/
Hoping that adding the Bifrost to the chain will be the combo that wins you over in favour of the S2. Regardless, I am enjoying the account of your journey with the S2s, whether good or bad.
 
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Mar 30, 2023 at 9:19 PM Post #2,901 of 6,561
Hoping that adding the Bifrost to the chain will be the combo that wins you over for the S2. Regardless, I am enjoying the account of your journey with the S2s, whether good or bad.
Thanks, friend!
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 9:34 PM Post #2,902 of 6,561
I'm warming up to the S2, fellas. No need to freak out, LOL.

Right now listening to this chain:
Topping D70 => Ragnarok2 => Earmax Pro => 660S2
I can also plug in the Bifrost, which I may do tomorrow. And I may listen straight off the Rag2 to see what the SS sound is like on these.

I went for a quick backcountry ski to give my ears a break, and coming back to the S2 after this reset I have to say I'm enjoying them a bit more. Maybe I just needed a little time out in the woods, connecting to nature, and not staring at a stupid computer screen.

Also, re: Atrium vs 660S2 I agree with @erics75 that these 2 can easily coexist in one's collection.

The graphs I've seen of the various ZMF headphones are all on crinnacle's site: https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/graphtool/

Just curious ha

For me rn the 650 with CC mod is still king from the Tazzy/WA6combo. 660S2 does better on the LP hybrid and LCX solid state off the Modius E.

I still have the 600 and it's running a stalemate with the 660S2 on the Modius/LCX and LP (shrugs)

600 has 660S2 beat on the WA6 as well..
 
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Mar 30, 2023 at 10:59 PM Post #2,903 of 6,561
Everyone is different, thank goodness! For me, as great as ‘660-S2’ is with Liquid Platinum (hybrid), with Icon Audio HP8 (OTC: not in picture), it is Woo Audio WA3 (OTL) that launches ‘660-S2’ to the ionosphere …
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[Tung Sol 5998, pair RFT ECC81 (foil getter)]
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 11:13 PM Post #2,904 of 6,561
Hoping that adding the Bifrost to the chain will be the combo that wins you over in favour of the S2. Regardless, I am enjoying the account of your journey with the S2s, whether good or bad.
… or ugly? 🤣
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 11:18 PM Post #2,905 of 6,561
Everyone is different, thank goodness! For me, as great as ‘660-S2’ is with Liquid Platinum (hybrid), with Icon Audio HP8 (OTC: not in picture), it is Woo Audio WA3 (OTL) that launches ‘660-S2’ to the ionosphere …B5C07BD3-2DF0-41A3-8818-47D1D4E70AFC.jpeg [Tung Sol 5998, pair RFT ECC81 (foil getter)]
I know you've shared this multiple times but what does removing the inside foam to expose the driver do? Does it increase treble?
 
Mar 30, 2023 at 11:25 PM Post #2,906 of 6,561
Everyone is different, thank goodness! For me, as great as ‘660-S2’ is with Liquid Platinum (hybrid), with Icon Audio HP8 (OTC: not in picture), it is Woo Audio WA3 (OTL) that launches ‘660-S2’ to the ionosphere …B5C07BD3-2DF0-41A3-8818-47D1D4E70AFC.jpeg [Tung Sol 5998, pair RFT ECC81 (foil getter)]

Just put the Vygarde on my 660S2 for the first time and ....

Holy crap.. unreal
 
Mar 31, 2023 at 12:05 AM Post #2,907 of 6,561
I know you've shared this multiple times but what does removing the inside foam to expose the driver do? Does it increase treble?
Removing the earside foam does not per se increase treble; to my ears, it increases clarity, directness across the frequency spectrum. Also, the drivers are not completely exposed. I installed fine ‘mesh’ as protection from hair etc. The mesh allows the sound to come through unimpeded. An example from my HD-6XX follows:
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[Note the earspeaker on the left]
 
Mar 31, 2023 at 4:09 AM Post #2,908 of 6,561
Sound impressions notwithstanding, it seems the general consensus is that they are overpriced, considering one could get the NDH30 for around the same money, which I haven’t heard classed as overpriced.
Yes, I think that’s very telling. The other thing which I think is significant is which other headphones the S2 and NDH 30 are being compared to on their respective threads.
 
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Mar 31, 2023 at 5:23 AM Post #2,909 of 6,561
Let us see how these will stan the test of time. Maybe they should throw in a full metal super pro version and a rosewood one for the specific audiences. For much higher prices though. Sennheiser Manufaktur under their first logo from 1945.
 

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Mar 31, 2023 at 11:17 AM Post #2,910 of 6,561
I’m still fixated on comparing the S to the S2, haven’t yet plugged in any other cans to do A/B’s yet. I’m trying to answer the question, for myself, if the S2 is better than the original, and if I want to keep the S, S2 (or possibly both?)

I’m still an unabashed fan of the original 660S. Here are some more notes I’ve taken in the last 12 or so hours. Many of these differences amount to splitting hairs, and aren’t colossal differences by any stretch. I’m definitely beginning to see the appeal of the S2, and why it has so many proponents. But for me, I’m still a little bit leaning toward the OG side. I never thought that it really needed improvements, so any changes made to the S to make an S2 would have to be things that fall into the category of “I didn’t know I needed that!” I always thought that the S did so many things right, it is kind of perfect for what it is.

Resolution
I think the overall resolving power of the S2 is in fact a little better. Subtle details are highlighted that I can also hear on the S, but I hadn’t noticed on the first pass. I first hear them on the S2 and then go back and hunt for them on the S.

Bass
S bass is tighter, I can follow bass lines a little better, and I think the timbre of acoustic and electric bass guitars, as well as the lower range of acoustic guitars (nylon strings in particular) sounds better on the S. Bass depth sometimes sounds a little unnatural to me on S2, and distracts me often. Kick drums thump harder on the S2, and depending on the genre this could definitely be an improvement over S. I have a preference for clean mid-bass presentation, not usually a fan of a ~150 Hz hump (like 650). S2 has a little of this hump I think (also supported by graphs). S does not.

Treble
Definitely more sparkly on the S2. I like it more, but this (I think) is also the quality that’s making vocals sound a little distant and slightly more raspy/tizzy on the newer model. I think it’s giving the headphone a coolness, sonically speaking, that I think is less-good.

Vocal Quality
Vocal presentation has a touch more body on S, sounds more natural to me. S2 can sound a touch nasal wrt vocal quality, a little more zing. Some male vocals can sound a bit nasal sometimes, but it’s exaggerated on the S2, and sounds way more true-to-life on the S.

Imaging/Separation/Layering
S2 separation seems a touch better, imaging seems a smidge more precise. But there’s a slight bit of incoherence in the new model to my ears, like something’s off in the midrange. Again, it sounds “cooler” to me. Busy passages and poorer quality recordings seem to be handled better on the S2. They’re both pretty forgiving of crappy source material, but I think maybe the S2 is even more so. Good? Bad? You decide for yourself :)

Soundstage
Soundstage is definitely bigger (and TALLER) on the S2. It is less intimate (which could be a plus or a minus, depending). Depth of stage is improved on the S2, creating a more realistic perceived acoustic space. It’s more holographic to my ears. I think adding a touch of the HD800S’s spaciousness and detail was a goal of Sennheiser for this headphone, and it shows. I think it comes down to how much those traits mean to you in the spectrum of technicalities. For me, it’s not high on the list (soundstage width, I mean)

Dynamics
S2 is more dynamic. Snare hits are sometimes a little arresting in their immediacy. This is a huge plus for the S2, it’s more exciting.

I’m sure I’ll have more thoughts soon. And I’ll share them. In short, they’re pretty similar. Both are really solid headphones. I’m not convinced that the new flavor is better, just different. But I can definitely see why the newer model would appeal to others. I think the real bargain right now are all the 660S popping up in the classifieds for ~225 bucks. It’s like 98% the sound of the S2 for less than half the asking price.
 

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