mrAdrian
Headphoneus Supremus
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I mean fit say a bad USB cable or what not underneath the pads, like the phatpad mods commonly done on other headphones like the ATH-AD series for example.
I could never justify spending $200+ on a cable. I could get similar results with a DIY cable and save money.
I imagine that most of the costs for these expensive cables are just due to labor and a markup from running a business.
Don't listen to these weirdos that somehow think there is no difference with ANY cable and just keep trying to preach to people. I won't say there is, but best way is to try them out for yourself.
I bet none of them have tried ANY and are just repeating what someone else told them. I did this too once.
I couldn't hear an ounce of difference without my computer DAC and a good amp.
Right now i'm using all stock cables. Double Helix offers some differences, but it seems to make the HD-600 less warm sounding.
Sometimes headphones are actually WORSE with upgraded cables. The ALO SXC was nice on the Q701..at first. Then I started to hate it.
It just made it even more revealing and analytical. Everything sounded thinner and much more distant. Don't have a clue why.
I think the differences are due to capacitance. The HD-600 seems to sound best (IMO) with a low capacitance wire such as Belden 1192A or similar.
I HATE the Sennheisers with Canare.
A DIY recable would cost less than $30. $20 of that is in the Cardas plugs.
BTW IMO a headphone cable has never made more than say a 5% difference/improvement. The biggest difference i've ever heard was when I recabled my HD-598 straight to the drivers with cheap Mogami.
It's probably just because the stock wiring is very very thin. Who knows. Actually maybe the 5% is a bit off, since I'd probably hate the Q701 with a silver cable. Even silver plated copper was bad.
So basically the biggest difference is how bright/warm the sound of a headphone will be. Very minor differences. I can see how using a silver cable with the HD-650 could "Wow" some people into thinking it's so much better.
I imagine silver would make the 650 less fuller sounding and a lot thinner. Not sure why. Isn't silver a low capacitance wire?
Spending $30 on a DIY cable upgrade is a fun project. Making an HD-600 cable is actually way easier than making one for the Q701 with those awful mini-XLR plugs.
I did this once and that's what got me interested in making my own cables. I prefer Monoprice and Mogami
Obviously a 5% improvement is a good thing but such a small improvement will always be susceptible to expectation bias etc. I think even the most experienced sound engineers would be doubtful of the reality of such a small change. Our brains have a way of changing what we hear, without us realizing, so any change up to 5% is hard to quantify and trust. Not to mention, when you're paying hundreds of dollars for a 5% increase the law of diminishing returns is so outrageous at that point that I think you'd be better off putting that money toward a headphone upgrade whose improvements would be obvious and much more than 5%.
Don't get me wrong, if you know for a fact that the sound quality has improved 5% then yes, that is great. My point is that any change as small as that is hard to trust, especially when the hundreds of dollars (or the time and effort DIY'ing a cable) you've spent are encouraging you to believe there is an improvement.
I mean fit say a bad USB cable or what not underneath the pads, like the phatpad mods commonly done on other headphones like the ATH-AD series for example.
Two words:
Expectation bias.
Probably should be required reading, starting in high school, but people like to be fooled I think. Even a review from a prestigious stereo magazine can influence what we think we're hearing. I guess we're so easily bored by the music itself that we need to indulge in all kinds of gear upgrades(even cables, interconnects, plugs, etc), some of which don't offer any significant improvement other than what our brain manufacturers.
Still so torn, if I could get a Sennheiser authorized reseller refurbished pair of HD600's for $208+tax or HD650's for $308+tax ($100 difference, but 50% increase overall, though both great savings)
Which would you go for?
The reseller seems to be getting bad reviews, but if I can physically pick up the item I see no loss in giving it a try.
I have HD595 and uDAC2-HP but I want to upgrade them both eventually, starting with the cans.
I really wish Amazon would do a sweet deal on either pair again, then I wouldn't think twice.
I guess people also like the idea that their setup can still be improved upon, that stuff can still be made to sound even better.
Kind of like with computer games such as Diablo2, where your character becomes uninteresting once you have all the best gear and reached a high level.