[eric65]

I was looking for HD 555 pics and I found this one (the third) where you can notice the protudings I mentioned. Do you think, @eric65, that the ones in the 560 S are smaller or same size?

Visualize for yourself, my friend.

The depth of the pads (of the HD 560S) at the rear of the earpads is 28 mm (and in the front, 15 mm).
The protrusion is about 5 mm thick and is located far back of the earpads.
(note: to give the scale, the circular opening of the HD 560S earpads is 70 x 45 mm).



Otherwise, an interesting link (for the wallet)
https://eu.shop.sennheiser.com/coll...phile-headphone-high-end-over-ear-refurbished

Senn HD 555

Senn HD 560S

Senn HD 560S

Senn HD 560S

 

[Terriero]

Thanks again, I think I will see (or feel) by ordering them and try. I hope won't be an issue for me. I can stand perfectly the clamp pressure of my DT 1990 Pros (now on my head) because the pads don't pinch my ear lobes and my ears don't reach the mesh.

Have you compared the 560-S to your other Kennertons or other cans you have/had? It seems that right now they are your preferred headphones.

 

[eric65]

Have you compared the 560-S to your other Kennertons or other cans you have/had? It seems that right now they are your preferred headphones.

Yes and Yes.

This is (the HD 560S) my current favorite headphones.

I of course compared it to my Kennerton Thekk and also to the Kennerton Thror (of my son).

You can reread several of my posts on the French HCFR forum on this subject.
https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post180788442.html#p180788442
https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post180788514.html#p180788514
https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post180795166.html#p180795166
https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post180816918.html#p180816918
https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post180816961.html#p180816961

 

[chenxiw]

Senheiser, we need hd900!

 

[XERO1]

Yesterday at night, in one youtube video about the new HD 400 Pros, I saw that they have the same protudings inside both cups (like the HD 560-S and the HD 555 I had) that were very annoying for me because my ears touched them. I've never realized about that because the only headphones I had -before the "head-fi masacre" - were the HD 555 and HD 800 (also a Superlux HD 668-B that I found very uncomfortable and gave to my wife). But after trying the Sony Z7s and put again the Senn HD 555 I noticed a lot those "protudings" touching my ears (and after the Z7s pillows I couldn´t stand them anymore...). Also, my HD 555 pads were damaged and I replaced with aftermarket pads that clamped more than the originals (not available anymore).

I had the exact same issue when I tried out the HD 560S. After about 5 minutes, the feeling of those protrusions slowly digging into my ears was too much and I had to take them off.

It's a real shame too, because I thought they sounded excellent. I would own a pair right now if it wasn't for that terrible design flaw. And it looks like it's the same story for the HD 400 Pro's as well. Damn.

 

[InvisibleInk]

I had the exact same issue when tried out the HD 560S. After about 5 minutes, the feeling of those protrusions slowly digging into my ears was too much and I had to take them off.

It's a real shame too, because I thought they sounded excellent. I would own a pair right now if it wasn't for that terrible design flaw. And it looks like it's the same story for the HD 400 Pro's as well. Damn.

I think that design is part of a system to enhance sound stage.

 

[Terriero]

I think that design is part of a system to enhance sound stage.

Yes, like I said here (for the E.A.R technology that my HD 555 also had). Thanks for sharing your experience, @XERO1

 

[eric65]

Hello to all.

The Sennheiser HD 560S (msrp 199 €/$) (and therefore the Sennheiser HD 400 Pro (msrp 249 €/$) which is technically and acoustically identical to the HD 560 S, but has one more cable than the HD 560S), is not afraid of comparisons with other headphones of the same brand, even of higher class, such as the late Sennheiser HD 700 (msrp (2012) 999 €/$).

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/t...ser-hd-560s/481/18492?usage=19&threshold=0.10

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sennheiser/hd-560s

 

[eric65]

Hi all (again)

The Sennheiser HD 400 Pro arrived at home, fully compliant with the specifications.

Source: https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post180820121.html#p180820121

 

[eric65]

Hi all.

Sennheiser HD 400 Pro (just out of its box): a headphones 98% similar to the excellent Sennheiser HD 560S.

2% difference: yes; you will understand why on these two French forum posts. (you can use google translate, which works great).

https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post180820457.html#p180820457
https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post180820484.html#p180820484

 

[eric65]

Hello everyone.

Even if it turns out that the HD 400 Pro and the HD 560S are two very similar headphones in terms of design and manufacture: same shells, and same drivers, it is possible that in fine they are two headphones of different tone, such as seems to show this in this HD 400 Pro review clearly showing that it is a warm tone headphone, whereas the HD 560S has a more neutral (less warm) tone that would pull more in the treble, more present.

https://www.kopfhoerer.de/test/sennheiser-hd-400-pro/

These are also my listening impressions, with more prolonged listening to these two headphones: the HD 400 Pro (compared to the HD 560S) apparently sounds with a little more bass and a little less treble ( in SPL level), with a duller side, than the HD 560S; it is therefore softer, and also a little less aering (spacious) for the sound stage than the HD 560S.

The tuning of these two headphones could ultimately be different for the tone.

EDIT: A possible difference in the ear pads between these two headphones to explain this possible difference in tone between these two headphones (the HD 400 Pro apparently having more bass than the HD 560S) ?
The ear pads of the HD 400 Pro seeming specific to this headphones and cataloged separately : https://en-us.sennheiser.com/hd-400-pro-ear-pads

 

[eric65]

Hello everyone.

And happy new year.

To start the year 2022, here is the link to an interesting HD 400 Pro review written in Polish, and very easy to translate into your language via google translate.

It appears that the HD400 Pro compared to the venerable HD 600, 20 years its senior, exceeds it. It is simply better.

https://estradaistudio.pl/testy/spr...eiser-hd-400-pro-otwarte-sluchawki-dynamiczne

The HD 400 Pro's pads (and its clamping) are quite firm; this would partly explain the additional bass noted with the HD 400 Pro vs old HD 600 (the other part being the difference between the drivers), and even in front of the HD 560S, if the pads used with the HD 400 pro are specific to this latter.

 

[eric65]

Hello everyone.

Discovery, somewhat by chance, of a physical and objective difference between the HD 400 Pro and the HD 560S: the acoustic fabric tissue located at the bottom of the pads on front of the HD 400 Pro driver lets a reflection pass through of light on the driver, unlike the acoustic fabric tissue behind the HD 560S pads, more opaque for this light reflection.
Is that enough to explain the slight difference in tone observed between these two headphones?
I don't know, but these two headphones are not exactly the same.

HD 400 Pro - 800 Iso pose 1 second

HD 560S - 800 Iso pose 1 second


Source of the info (in french): https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post180839642.html#p180839642

 

[carsan]

Hello everyone.

Even if it turns out that the HD 400 Pro and the HD 560S are two very similar headphones in terms of design and manufacture: same shells, and same drivers, it is possible that in fine they are two headphones of different tone, such as seems to show this in this HD 400 Pro review clearly showing that it is a warm tone headphone, whereas the HD 560S has a more neutral (less warm) tone that would pull more in the treble, more present.

https://www.kopfhoerer.de/test/sennheiser-hd-400-pro/

These are also my listening impressions, with more prolonged listening to these two headphones: the HD 400 Pro (compared to the HD 560S) apparently sounds with a little more bass and a little less treble ( in SPL level), with a duller side, than the HD 560S; it is therefore softer, and also a little less aering (spacious) for the sound stage than the HD 560S.

The tuning of these two headphones could ultimately be different for the tone.

EDIT: A possible difference in the ear pads between these two headphones to explain this possible difference in tone between these two headphones (the HD 400 Pro apparently having more bass than the HD 560S) ?
The ear pads of the HD 400 Pro seeming specific to this headphones and cataloged separately : https://en-us.sennheiser.com/hd-400-pro-ear-pads

Hi @eric65 ,

I read that you find the HD 400 Pro less brighter than the HD 560S. Just out of curiosity, have you noticed any difference around the 9kHz range between this two headphones?

I'm asking this because with HD 560S I found a huge annoying (and even harmful) peak around that frequency range ("Rtings" measurements are the most accurate I found according to my personal hearing: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-5/graph#18492/7903 )





Thanks in advance.

 

[eric65]

Hi @carsan.

Source : this review of the HD 560S made by a Polish sound engineer (compared to his old Sennheiser HD 600):

https://estradaistudio.pl/testy/sprzet-studyjny/1745-hd-560s-sluchawki-wokoluszne (HD 560S)


This review can be compared to the one of the HD 400 Pro (alas without graphs) written by the same Polish sound engineer:

https://estradaistudio.pl/testy/spr...eiser-hd-400-pro-otwarte-sluchawki-dynamiczne (HD 400 Pro)


On this Polish review of the HD 560S (compared to its old HD 600), the frequency (tonal) balance of the HD 560S between 7 and 14 KHz seems very good, in any case better than that of the HD 600 .


Concerning me, concerning my copies of these headphones (HD 560S and HD 400 Pro), I confirm that my HD 400 Pro is less brilliant in the treble than my HD 560S. It's evident for listening to cymbals and bells.

Objectively speaking, I even measured a level difference of -1.3 dB at the frequency of 5 KHz for my HD 400 Pro (vs my HD 560 S), by taking the frequency of 1 KHz, to equalize in level the headsets (for the position of the measuring microphone, centered on debaffled pads).

To the ear, the sine frequency 5 KHz is more marked than the frequency 1000 Hz, for the two headphones, but slightly less with the HD 400 Pro (my copy) than the HD 560S (my copy).

I do not have the 9 KHz frequency in my test audio CD (30 second listening ranges of sine, 1, 2, 5 and 10 KHz).

Unfortunately, at my age (56 years old), the 10 KHz frequency is heard attenuated with both headphones; I will not say if there is a real difference in level at 10 KHz between these two headphones.

However, to the measurements made with the microphone (Phonic PAA3 - Flat measurements; response time 1 second; debaffled pads, but not at all reflecting the real conditions of human listening with headphones), I noted as raw measurements differences:

HD 560S:
1 KHz: 65 dB SPL
2 KHz: 65.2 dB
5 KHz: 70.4 dB
10 KHz: 66.8 dB

HD 400 Pro:
1 KHz: 65 dB SPL
2 KHz: 64.1 dB
5 KHz: 69.1 dB
10 KHz: 68.2 dB

Measures to be taken with a grain of salt, because very critical to the centering of the microphone (in the debaffled pads): the placement was not strictly identical for the two headsets.
The measurement time of each frequency ranges was 30 seconds each: stable measurements for the SPL levels at each frequency during the 30 seconds of each measurement.