[ToneDeath]

Hey guy. I have a problem with my MJ2. It stands only on 3 feet... I was wondering if I could relocate the back feet to do like on the MJ1.

Here is my MJ2 :



Here is what I want to do :
MJ1 :

Gungnir :

Would it work ? Can I remove the 2 back feet to put only one in the middle ?

Thanks !

Not to be a SA , what possible advantage could there be to either three or four feet? My three footed Gungnir MB has three legs. If you push down on the rear portion right of left side of the unit it gets a little tipsy, so I don't push on it.

TD

 

[ToneDeath]

Anyone change the feet to raise the amp higher to create better air flow for the DAC on the bottom of stack?

It looks as if the MJ2 is designed to draw cool air through the sides and expel it from the top around the tubes using convection. Then again I've never seen a bottom picture of the unit.

I leave my Gungnir powered on at all times, it gets warm but not excessively hot.

I'm sure testing at Schiit would have caught it before it became a problem.

JMTC

TD

 

[ToneDeath]

I use socket savers ... but things still get HOT

I ordered a pair from Tubemonger, hated to pay $28.00 each when you can find them cheap on eBay. I'm sure the quality is superior to the $4.00 units and a little vibration dampening can't hurt. At least Tubemonger is fair on the shipping, only $4.00

 

[ToneDeath]

it arrives Friday with a gumby

Im sending the lyr2 and bifrost uber to a new home on Tuesday

eee1111 the Gumby is a fine piece of equipment, I can't wait to hear it with the MJ2 balanced.

 

[Globox]

And you won't be disapointed !

 

[Globox]

Not to be a SA , what possible advantage could there be to either three or four feet? My three footed Gungnir MB has three legs. If you push down on the rear portion right of left side of the unit it gets a little tipsy, so I don't push on it.

TD

Well, I agree ! The problem is : Can I remove the back feet and the central screw without making stuff loose in the unit !

 

[JerryLeeds]

I ordered a pair from Tubemonger, hated to pay $28.00 each when you can find them cheap on eBay. I'm sure the quality is superior to the $4.00 units and a little vibration dampening can't hurt. At least Tubemonger is fair on the shipping, only $4.00

Yes ... those are the same ones I purchased ...

 

[FLTWS]

I ordered a pair from Tubemonger, hated to pay $28.00 each when you can find them cheap on eBay. I'm sure the quality is superior to the $4.00 units and a little vibration dampening can't hurt. At least Tubemonger is fair on the shipping, only $4.00

I have these, excellent quality and, I feel, fairly priced. However, for the first 9 to 10 months I did a lot of tube rolling, and over time I ended up wrestling with the fact that as I removed a tube the lifter would become loose as well or sometimes come out (or partially out) with the tube. I remember reading suggestions to slip some dental floss or thread under the lifter or tube to assist but the more I thought about it the less I liked the idea of something that might melt or ignite down in the hole and these sockets are pretty tight so whatever i used it would have to be very strong and then I was concerned about the control over what I was removing as the tube openings are small. Plus, having the pig tales sticking out and laying across the top of the unit was a less than elegant solution / look. The lifters (duh) lift the top of the tube higher above the top surface of the MJ2 making them more of a target.

I then sat down, took my audi-O-C-D hat off and put on the tin foil one. Knowing Schiiits design mentality from reading the book and their posts, would Schiit design any piece of equipment, tubed or solid state, that they knew would shorten tube or other component life? I've never seen any temperature measurements that might settle the issue one way or the other.A tube can fail or get noisy but will lifters prevent those things from happening? I tube the MJ2 as designed and stopped stressing over it.

Again, the lifters are well designed and a solid piece of kit. For the money and considering how expensive some tube pairs can be there's no harm in using them and maybe they will extend tube life and maybe make more sense to me if your not, or are done, tube rolling. Another thought, unless you leave your equipment on 24/7 how many around here hang on to any piece of gear before, what, 10,000 hours of use?

As always, pluses and minuses.

 

[ToneDeath]

I have these, excellent quality and, I feel, fairly priced. However, for the first 9 to 10 months I did a lot of tube rolling, and over time I ended up wrestling with the fact that as I removed a tube the lifter would become loose as well or sometimes come out (or partially out) with the tube. I remember reading suggestions to slip some dental floss or thread under the lifter or tube to assist but the more I thought about it the less I liked the idea of something that might melt or ignite down in the hole and these sockets are pretty tight so whatever i used it would have to be very strong and then I was concerned about the control over what I was removing as the tube openings are small. Plus, having the pig tales sticking out and laying across the top of the unit was a less than elegant solution / look. The lifters (duh) lift the top of the tube higher above the top surface of the MJ2 making them more of a target.

I then sat down, took my audi-O-C-D hat off and put on the tin foil one. Knowing Schiiits design mentality from reading the book and their posts, would Schiit design any piece of equipment, tubed or solid state, that they knew would shorten tube or other component life? I've never seen any temperature measurements that might settle the issue one way or the other.A tube can fail or get noisy but will lifters prevent those things from happening? I tube the MJ2 as designed and stopped stressing over it.

Again, the lifters are well designed and a solid piece of kit. For the money and considering how expensive some tube pairs can be there's no harm in using them and maybe they will extend tube life and maybe make more sense to me if your not, or are done, tube rolling. Another thought, unless you leave your equipment on 24/7 how many around here hang on to any piece of gear before, what, 10,000 hours of use?

As always, pluses and minuses.

Thanks FLTWS for the response. I also like the savers because they bring up out of the pit that beautiful amber tube glow.

 

[ToneDeath]

I have these, excellent quality and, I feel, fairly priced. However, for the first 9 to 10 months I did a lot of tube rolling, and over time I ended up wrestling with the fact that as I removed a tube the lifter would become loose as well or sometimes come out (or partially out) with the tube. I remember reading suggestions to slip some dental floss or thread under the lifter or tube to assist but the more I thought about it the less I liked the idea of something that might melt or ignite down in the hole and these sockets are pretty tight so whatever i used it would have to be very strong and then I was concerned about the control over what I was removing as the tube openings are small. Plus, having the pig tales sticking out and laying across the top of the unit was a less than elegant solution / look. The lifters (duh) lift the top of the tube higher above the top surface of the MJ2 making them more of a target.

I then sat down, took my audi-O-C-D hat off and put on the tin foil one. Knowing Schiiits design mentality from reading the book and their posts, would Schiit design any piece of equipment, tubed or solid state, that they knew would shorten tube or other component life? I've never seen any temperature measurements that might settle the issue one way or the other.A tube can fail or get noisy but will lifters prevent those things from happening? I tube the MJ2 as designed and stopped stressing over it.

Again, the lifters are well designed and a solid piece of kit. For the money and considering how expensive some tube pairs can be there's no harm in using them and maybe they will extend tube life and maybe make more sense to me if your not, or are done, tube rolling. Another thought, unless you leave your equipment on 24/7 how many around here hang on to any piece of gear before, what, 10,000 hours of use?

As always, pluses and minuses.

I see they offer a saver that has a polymer bolt and wing nut that will lock down the saver. That's if you can get to the bottom side of the original ceramic socket and there's a hole going all the way through the socket and PC board. Don't think I'll be trying that anytime soon. Lol.

 

[ToneDeath]

Well, I agree ! The problem is : Can I remove the back feet and the central screw without making stuff loose in the unit !

Globox, I wondered why Schiit put three feet on my Gungnir MB. So I email them. They responded with "Three feet never rock even on uneven surfaces "

 

[Globox]

Globox, I wondered why Schiit put three feet on my Gungnir MB. So I email them. They responded with "Three feet never rock even on uneven surfaces "

Thanks. Unfortunatly, I didn't get an answer to my messages. So I guess, I am going to remove the screws I want to and hope I don't do something wrong !

 

[Argo Duck]

Globox, I wondered why Schiit put three feet on my Gungnir MB. So I email them. They responded with "Three feet never rock even on uneven surfaces "

Generally true. And droll too

 

[FLTWS]

Thanks FLTWS for the response. I also like the savers because they bring up out of the pit that beautiful amber tube glow.

I get the aesthetic appeal angle, I can still remember the hypnotic effect staring into the cage of my ARC SP3A1 preamp had on me back in the 70's, (ooh!,ahh!). But I also note how many small signal tube applications are really buried in the case. Like my old Dynaco PAS 3. And take a look at the iFi Pro iCan, a couple of slits and they lay the tubes on their sides. If memory serves my Marantz Model 7 had perforation holes over the tubes but then they sold a nice looking optional wooden case to slip over it for display that blocked those holes. With small signal tubes the heat issues don't seem as critical as they definitely are with power output tubes.

I see they offer a saver that has a polymer bolt and wing nut that will lock down the saver. That's if you can get to the bottom side of the original ceramic socket and there's a hole going all the way through the socket and PC board. Don't think I'll be trying that anytime soon. Lol.

With almost 4 years to go on my warranty I won't be taking a peak under the hood either. I'm out of the "fix it till it's broken" phase of my life. But then no need to as Schiit puts board porn pictures on their product pages for the voyeur in me.

Bottom line, I see the lifters as one of the accessories that should be in every tube-o-philes tool box. They are more than just paperweights and not costly.

Edit: My first successful multi-quote, gonna celebrate and take the rest of the day off!

 

[Globox]

I got an answer from schiit. For some reason, they did not get my previous emails ! We'll see. By the way, I put my MJ2 on 3 feet only. It is fine like this.