Schiit Lyr Tube Rollers

[billerb1]

More refined to my ears. Bigger, fuller, deeper, more holographic presentation. My Valvo Heerlen CCa's , have everything that the Siemens CCa's have , but with all that miniwatt , midrange, and the bass of a Mullard Blackburn. No tubes I've rolled come close to what my heerlens accomplish. They're the most holographic, speaker like , live venue sounding tubes , I've heard to date. At least that's what my ears tell me. YMMV.

Cheers

 


I can't guarantee you'd hear a difference between the E188CC's and the E88CC's. Brent Jessee can't..

 

[tvnosaint]

I'm pretty happy with mine. I just dropped a wad on a monarchy nm24 with upgraded tubes and theta caps, so I think play time is over for a minute. Putting my self in a time out

 

[Hardwired]

 

More refined to my ears. Bigger, fuller, deeper, more holographic presentation. My Valvo Heerlen CCa's , have everything that the Siemens CCa's have , but with all that miniwatt , midrange, and the bass of a Mullard Blackburn. No tubes I've rolled come close to what my heerlens accomplish. They're the most holographic, speaker like , live venue sounding tubes , I've heard to date. At least that's what my ears tell me. YMMV.

Cheers


 

 


I can't guarantee you'd hear a difference between the E188CC's and the E88CC's. Brent Jessee can't..

 
I have to say I recently picked up some Valvo red label E188CCs off eBay that are like nothing else I've heard. I like Telefunken E88CCs because they have the biggest soundstage of any tube I had heard, but the Valvos are so vividly holographic it's fatiguing to listen to them. It's like I need an extra sense or something to comprehend what I'm hearing. If that's what Guidostrunk is referring to it is not subtle so I would think anyone could hear a difference regardless of exactly how they hear it. I know, 2 different tubes and all that, but tossing in my 2 cents.

 

[lekoross]

  I have to say I recently picked up some Valvo red label E188CCs off eBay that are like nothing else I've heard. I like Telefunken E88CCs because they have the biggest soundstage of any tube I had heard, but the Valvos are so vividly holographic it's fatiguing to listen to them. It's like I need an extra sense or something to comprehend what I'm hearing. If that's what Guidostrunk is referring to it is not subtle so I would think anyone could hear a difference regardless of exactly how they hear it. I know, 2 different tubes and all that, but tossing in my 2 cents.

 
Yeah, every set of tubes sound a bit different from the others, even from the same plant/year. That's what makes rolling so fun - finding YOUR pair(s). I probably purchased about 20 different sets from Herleen (Miniwatts, Valvo's, PQ's, SQ's) since I love the Herleen sound so much, and then narrowed it down to my two favorite pair - a set of e188cc Amperex PQ's I got from a guy in Greece, and the Valvo yellow-label CCa's. My humble advice is not to get caught up in brand, color, etc. If you really want to find YOUR tubes you've got to get a whole ****load of tubes at good prices when you find them, listen to them carefully and take notes, and then sell off the ones you like the least. I've been doing this bit-by-bit over the course of a year. In the end I've never lost money and have really got to know the tubes well. The other thing is to recognize that tubes that do not have at least 50+ hours of burn-in time will sound different once they are burned in (usually the highs tame down a bit), and we never REALLY quite know what we're getting. If you compare a non-burned-in set of Valvo's to the same tubes burned-in, it is like listening to two entirely different sets of tubes. So, if you really wanted to do it right, you would burn the tubes in yourself for 50+ hours so you know what they will ultimately sound like. Therefore, you have to be scientific in your comparisons - regardless of whether the seller says they are "NOS" or not. Build up a stock of tubes over time. Burn each pair in for 50+ hours, and then listen to the sets side-by-side, one after another, and back and forth. Do this for a few days and you should begin to hear the subtle differences everyone is talking about. The truest test, however, is a blind one - possible to do alone but much easier to do with someone else.
 
Cheers!

 

[Hardwired]

I also have to say I haven't heard any tubes that I didn't like. Telefunken, Philips, Amperex, Mazda, Valvo, Reflektor, Siemens, Tesla and even the stock tubes that came with the Lyr 2 all sound good. It's just after listening to a bunch that I began to pick out what sounds 'gooder' to my ears. 

 
Rolling in a new set of tubes is like 'Hey, I just got a new amp, let's see what it sounds like!'  Now I wonder why I resisted tubing for so long. Oh yeah, my wallet. But within reason, it's money well spent.

 

[billerb1]

All great advice from lekoross, hardwired and guidostrunk. You just ultimately have to dive into the tube deep end and figure out what you like and why. Enjoy.

 

[ThurstonX]

   
Yeah, every set of tubes sound a bit different from the others, even from the same plant/year. That's what makes rolling so fun - finding YOUR pair(s). I probably purchased about 20 different sets from Herleen (Miniwatts, Valvo's, PQ's, SQ's) since I love the Herleen sound so much, and then narrowed it down to my two favorite pair - a set of e188cc Amperex PQ's I got from a guy in Greece, and the Valvo yellow-label CCa's. My humble advice is not to get caught up in brand, color, etc. If you really want to find YOUR tubes you've got to get a whole ****load of tubes at good prices when you find them, listen to them carefully and take notes, and then sell off the ones you like the least. I've been doing this bit-by-bit over the course of a year. In the end I've never lost money and have really got to know the tubes well. The other thing is to recognize that tubes that do not have at least 50+ hours of burn-in time will sound different once they are burned in (usually the highs tame down a bit), and we never REALLY quite know what we're getting. If you compare a non-burned-in set of Valvo's to the same tubes burned-in, it is like listening to two entirely different sets of tubes. So, if you really wanted to do it right, you would burn the tubes in yourself for 50+ hours so you know what they will ultimately sound like. Therefore, you have to be scientific in your comparisons - regardless of whether the seller says they are "NOS" or not. Build up a stock of tubes over time. Burn each pair in for 50+ hours, and then listen to the sets side-by-side, one after another, and back and forth. Do this for a few days and you should begin to hear the subtle differences everyone is talking about. The truest test, however, is a blind one - possible to do alone but much easier to do with someone else.
 
Cheers!

 
This is the best advice one can get.  It's so good, I'm quoting it in full 

  (I know you're in Napa, but beer's the best you can get at Head-Fi

 

[tvnosaint]

Compelling arguments. I thought you guys were scotch drinkers. My days off will be spent with an ice cold absinthe drip burning in the pairs I bought this month from lekoross , poimandres and eBay. Hopefully with my new dac and a goofy grin and head shaking spouse. Beers good too. Just not those Cali IPAs save for Pliny, which we can't get here. Got some killer Belgians though. Until I break down again...

 

[MWSVette]

   
This is the best advice one can get.  It's so good, I'm quoting it in full 

  (I know you're in Napa, but beer's the best you can get at Head-Fi

C​ould not agree more...

 

[Guidostrunk]

That's exactly how I hear it, but no fatigue whatsoever. It does take the brain time to adjust/grasp it after listening to other tubes. For me, the Soundstage of the Siemens and Teles , seemed artificial and the mids seemed somewhat recessed, in comparison to the Valvos.
I've never heard any other tube present music , with such a natural, live, extremely deep and big sound.
Even the treble has a full bodied weight to it that makes the hair stand on my neck. Well, enough gushing. Lol. Enjoy your tubes

I have to say I recently picked up some Valvo red label E188CCs off eBay that are like nothing else I've heard. I like Telefunken E88CCs because they have the biggest soundstage of any tube I had heard, but the Valvos are so vividly holographic it's fatiguing to listen to them. It's like I need an extra sense or something to comprehend what I'm hearing. If that's what Guidostrunk is referring to it is not subtle so I would think anyone could hear a difference regardless of exactly how they hear it. I know, 2 different tubes and all that, but tossing in my 2 cents.

 

[Guidostrunk]

You nailed it bro! Good to see you back on the thread. We're coming up on a year since the madness began.LOL

Yeah, every set of tubes sound a bit different from the others, even from the same plant/year. That's what makes rolling so fun - finding YOUR pair(s). I probably purchased about 20 different sets from Herleen (Miniwatts, Valvo's, PQ's, SQ's) since I love the Herleen sound so much, and then narrowed it down to my two favorite pair - a set of e188cc Amperex PQ's I got from a guy in Greece, and the Valvo yellow-label CCa's. My humble advice is not to get caught up in brand, color, etc. If you really want to find YOUR tubes you've got to get a whole ****load of tubes at good prices when you find them, listen to them carefully and take notes, and then sell off the ones you like the least. I've been doing this bit-by-bit over the course of a year. In the end I've never lost money and have really got to know the tubes well. The other thing is to recognize that tubes that do not have at least 50+ hours of burn-in time will sound different once they are burned in (usually the highs tame down a bit), and we never REALLY quite know what we're getting. If you compare a non-burned-in set of Valvo's to the same tubes burned-in, it is like listening to two entirely different sets of tubes. So, if you really wanted to do it right, you would burn the tubes in yourself for 50+ hours so you know what they will ultimately sound like. Therefore, you have to be scientific in your comparisons - regardless of whether the seller says they are "NOS" or not. Build up a stock of tubes over time. Burn each pair in for 50+ hours, and then listen to the sets side-by-side, one after another, and back and forth. Do this for a few days and you should begin to hear the subtle differences everyone is talking about. The truest test, however, is a blind one - possible to do alone but much easier to do with someone else.

Cheers!

 

[Guidostrunk]

HEEEEEERRRRRRRLENS. LOL

All great advice from lekoross, hardwired and guidostrunk. You just ultimately have to dive into the tube deep end and figure out what you like and why. Enjoy.

 

[billerb1]

HEEEEEERRRRRRRLENS. LOL

 


Yeah Sammy those girls of Heerlen knew how to put together a special tube. Not everybodys' Holy Grails but we have a growing fan club going, don't we. Maybe we could all get tee shirts made with big delta symbols on them...in YELLOW !!!!

 

[Guidostrunk]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HILARIOUS! I can't thank you enough for guiding this grasshopper! LOL
I'll never look back Billy!

HEEEEEERRRRRRRLENS. LOL

 


Yeah Sammy those girls of Heerlen knew how to put together a special tube. Not everybodys' Holy Grails but we have a growing fan club going, don't we. Maybe we could all get tee shirts made with big delta symbols on them...in YELLOW !!!!

 

[oAmadeuso]

The Dumonts for sale from @lekoross are a complete steal at this price. I used to own them, and they do about 85 to 90% of what my Valvos do. Before the Valvos, they were my favorite tube, beating out everything I heard prior.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/785573/e188cc-e88cc-tubes-for-sale-tested

Thanks for the heads up!