Schiit Lyr & Lyr 2 Tube Compatibility List

[reddog]

+1 same here...

This site is strange indeed. I was told to quit using "+1" or to say "subbed" such expression were worthless. Currawong seemed quite upset. And since then my email to the head-fi site does not work. Sorry if I somehow managed to get the bigwigs upset. But the ban against bob should have ended by now.

 

[Liu Junyuan]

This site is strange indeed. I was told to quit using "+1" or to say "subbed" such expression were worthless. Currawong seemed quite upset. And since then my email to the head-fi site does not work. Sorry if I somehow managed to get the bigwigs upset. But the ban against bob should have ended by now.

My email notifications have also stopped working. I am not sure if this is a separate issue. I have had this occur once before as well. I will message an admin to see if it can be fixed.

 

[rb2013]

In total agreement with your Ember Review, odd that those Folks could get you banned from a Lyr Thread?????

Mr. Poon at Monarchy is a stand up guy! He updated the caps for me while he replaced the transformer killed by Canada Post.

By finicky do you mean it doesn't play well with Microsoft? I will be using a PC, with 8.1 and a MacBook with the Melodious.

Well by finicky as I bought three one is good (the one you bought) one unlocks periodically (but it may have been the USB cable I was using), one had ticking/popping occasionally in the background.  So the finicky part is the quality control part - yours should be fine.   As to the Lyr thread situation - water under the bridge - time to move forward.  Any way it was not going any where - but just rehashing the same old ground.  Reminds me of one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs:

 

How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have we found?
The same old fears.
Wish you were here.​

 

A bit of a touchy subject for a lot of the lyr tube rolling thread veterans...

What's Up?  Check this out - from a Stereo Times review of the Gustard U12 (my thread is up to 187,000 views !)  Have to laugh

:
http://www.stereotimes.com/post/yellowtec-puc2-lite-usb-converter/
 

Indeed, being that they are actual engineers or capable DIYers or both, many Head-Fiers are especially adept and knowledgeable about clock types, chip types, jitter and DIY modding of said converters. And it is by dint of this superiorly knowledgeable, technically advanced band of merry men that I came to know of and ultimately to purchase, the Gustard U12 XMOS USB converter. 
 
Cheap, Chinese and cheerful at around $180 list, original Head-Fi poster rb2013 (probably not his real name) said it was the best of several top-flight converters he had tried, including well known and much pricier converters such as the fabled Audiophilleo 2, several of John Kenny’s, M2Tech Hiface Evo and the Musiland 3.0.
 
Hmmm, I thought while reading his posts (yes, I actually thought “hmmm”), I own several such well-regarded converters, all pricier than that one, and I'd enjoyed music served up through them via my Mac Mini for years now, but admittedly, never to the extent I used to with superb CD players such as my dearly departed Lectors and Naims.
 
Which brings us back to USB converters. So, as I was saying (writing), I bought the Gustard U12 32-bit XMOS converter on the recommendation of rb2013 (among others), and it was… excellent! It was definitely as advertised. It had mproved bass and dynamics, over and above my Audiophilleo, and a bit more “relaxed” sounding. Then rb2013 threw a curveball at his Head-Fi faithful, he had an affair with another converter he said greatly bettered the U12, which in turn, had bettered a lot of the “high priced” spread.  He then decided to boot the U12 and move in with said new converter on a more permanent basis.
 
That new converter was the equally cheerful, equally Chinese (though not equally cheap at $230 USD) Melodious Audio MX-U8.  Similarly capable in terms of high sample rate conversion and employing the highly regarded up-to-date programmable XMOS multicore microcontroller topology but with a more robust power supply, improved circuit isolation and perhaps more accurate digital clocks, the MX-U8 sez rb2013 was better; punchier, more detailed, weightier in the bass, bigger soundstage, the works. So I bought one.  And it was! Somewhat. Not as warm/pleasant (?) as the Gustard, but slightly more detailed, forward and punchier and with a bit more expansive stage. The Gustard was good. Very good. I could actually still see preferring it in certain systems, but my preference perhaps leaned toward the not-night-and-day-better MX-U8.
 
In fact, I even considered making this review a Head-Fi forum post so I could thank rb2013 (what if that is his real name?) for getting me going on this journey toward my own eventual USB “conversion” and be even more lazy about Binging… errr… Yahooing (See? Neither quite work as verbs) all the technical particulars in the service of just trumpeting the Yellowtec's merits unencumbered by any need for anything approaching enjoyable, well punctuated prose...

 
Did know I had a 'following'  - I guess I'm a Headfi Audio cult leader! LMAO!

 

 

[Wildcatsare1]

Wow, now I can tell people I am getting the Melodious MX-U8, modded, tweaked and blessed by the famous
rb2013!!!

Congrats your expertise is being recognized! I am looking forward to putting the MX-U8 in my system!

 

[rb2013]

Wow, now I can tell people I am getting the Melodious MX-U8, modded, tweaked and blessed by the famous
rb2013!!!

Congrats your expertise is being recognized! I am looking forward to putting the MX-U8 in my system!

Do you want me to sign it 'Mr Rb2013'. Lol!!:etysmile:

 

[SQnotpoo]

So will it damage my Lyr 2 if I put tubes in that aren't supported according to the list or will it just not sound right/be biased incorrectly?

 

[MWSVette]

So will it damage my Lyr 2 if I put tubes in that aren't supported according to the list or will it just not sound right/be biased incorrectly?

Could do either depending on the tube.  More likely you would destroy the tube.

 

[SQnotpoo]

Could do either depending on the tube.  More likely you would destroy the tube.

That's awesome! Thanks. I can't remember off the top of my head whether they were e88 or e85 but I got them for the right price so if it's the tube that's at risk and not the amp I'd be ok with trying them out.

 

[Oskari]

That's awesome! Thanks. I can't remember off the top of my head whether they were e88 or e85 but I got them for the right price so if it's the tube that's at risk and not the amp I'd be ok with trying them out.

It is possible to damage your amp. Schiit says:

What about the tubes? Can you roll ‘em?
Lyr 2 uses two 6BZ7 dual triodes, and yes–you can substitute any 6DJ8/6922/ECC88 type tube, including NOS, cryo-treated, voodoo-blessed, hand-assembled by elves, etc. Due to the DC heaters, we do not recommend using 6N1P tube types, or any tube that needs more than 415mA heater current.

The ECC85, for example, draws 435 mA.

 

[SQnotpoo]

It is possible to damage your amp. Schiit says:
The ECC85, for example, draws 435 mA.

Ah ok. So it's probably potentially harmful to the transformer then if I go over the recommended tube amperage then?

 

[Oskari]

Ah ok. So it's probably potentially harmful to the transformer then if I go over the recommended tube amperage then?

Yes, that could be the case, the transformer or the regulators. (Schiit is the authority regarding this.)

 

[SQnotpoo]

Yes, that could be the case, the transformer or the regulators. (Schiit is the authority regarding this.)

Thanks. They got back to me and said that they wouldn't recommend it. I had better not risk it.

 

[rb2013]

So will it damage my Lyr 2 if I put tubes in that aren't supported according to the list or will it just not sound right/be biased incorrectly?

These are not on the list but would work - as they have adapters to convert them to run as a 6922 drop in.  Not bad.  Just wished they used the WE 396a - which I did run with 6N3 to ECC88 adapters - NOT RECOMMENDING THIS!  Just that they worked for me in my Lyr 1, and sounded terrific.
 
http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/accessory-nos-6922-2/
 
GE JAN 5670W

 

[rb2013]

I wonder how some of the Russian 6N3's sound in the Lyr  - maybe one day will buy a few pairs.

 

[esung]

How long can one use a set of tubes before shutting them off from heat generally? (per session)