JohnnyCanuck
Headphoneus Supremus
I thought it was spelled "Nickelback".
JC
JC
No, of course not. We’d still allow Barbie just for you.So we should ban all things Nickelodeon?
My point is it absolutely DOES have meaning in terms of evaluating equipment/systems, you either make it happen (better) or you don’t (and it’s worse), everyone hears SOME part of soundstage quality.Indeed, sound stage is real to those who can hear it, and in the recordings that generate the effect. But it has no meaning in terms of evaluating audio equipment or systems since it is subjective. But what you or I experience is certainly real to us. It's experiential, as you described.
Yep… and some electronic bands (Kraftwerk for example are famous for their intentional use of altered phasing: check out Tour de France on LP if you can sometime) leverage MASSIVE phase effects to intentionally “move” sound placement… Everyone I’m sure has their favorites…
The biggest effect/causal-agent I have personally experienced is related to phase. If something in phase is off, I hear the craziest placements: Ella Fitzgerald singing from the kitchen one floor down on the other side of the condo, drums coming from the wall opposite where the speakers are... you name it!
if nothing else, the depression on top reduces the need for a socket saver and it's safer for changing tube in and out without damage.6N1P? same as Valhalla input tubes?
So the parabolic dish like recess can reflect some heat to the tip of the tube ....
Mostly (like their frAudiophile counterparts) they tend to listen to the dulcet tones of their ego as that tends to act as an ANC and pretty much mutes everything else, including common sense.An ASR acolyte would never listen to music on their equipment.
It sounds like quite the fappening.Wait! Barbie's on Nickelodeon!?
Oh, please let it be Nick at Night!
If it's important to you then it's important to you. Are you enjoying the music? That's all that matters to me.My point is it absolutely DOES have meaning in terms of evaluating equipment/systems, you either make it happen (better) or you don’t (and it’s worse), everyone hears SOME part of soundstage quality.
I would submit that a system setup without consideration of sound-stage as a measurement criteria - however “subjective” - is likely going to be a system that almost certainly is NOT going to provide a believable facsimile of “being in concert hall”
I will *always* evaluate every change I make with how it affects soundstaging as a key success/failure criteria. I hear it. I can change it/note the change. It is just as valuable a metric as anything measured with a “device”; frankly to me, more valuable.
Secondly, everyone can hear soundstaging, it is only a question of how much of it they have trained themselves - experientially - against real, live, unaltered, acoustic music. If one is completely unfamiliar with classical orchestral music live, one is likely to never understand the actual POINT of getting to a system of quality and synergy to reproduce it realistically. Reductio ad absurdum: “yeah, I can hear some stuff over there on the left, and other stuff over there on the right, neat!” That IS soundstaging, and the most ignorant/inexperienced of listeners IS going to hear it. It’s about whether or not they *appreciate* it. And that takes listening “muscle memory” that can only be developed (accurately) with live, real, acoustic music as the reference.
All that said, I agree that it is almost a certainty that we’ll never get “numbers” to “measure it”… in the last 40 years of the “chase” for such capabilities, we only (seem to be in my experience) getting incrementally closer, and that with constant “trade offs” (not the least of which is INSANE levels of spend)
From Good Vibrations?I suppose if you really wanted to, you could adapt a injector nozzle heater such as these made by Briskheat:
Ha! Might get a little warm for that...From Good Vibrations?
Waitaminute! You're expecting personal enjoyment from our personal audio systems?! This is the internet, good sir. We're not permitted to enjoy anything!If it's important to you then it's important to you. Are you enjoying the music? That's all that matters to me.
A coworker (call him D) and I were in a conversation with another coworker (call him A) about music. D, in a former life, made $ playing jazz at weddings etc....
Secondly, everyone can hear soundstaging, it is only a question of how much of it they have trained themselves - experientially - against real, live, unaltered, acoustic music. ...
Yea I forgot; I'm supposed to be listening to the system not the music...Waitaminute! You're expecting personal enjoyment from our personal audio systems?! This is the internet, good sir. We're not permitted to enjoy anything!