[Balthazar B]

I am about to give you my review of Tyr amps, after upgrading from Vidar amps, but first I digress.

I love Curly, of the Three Stooges, but I hated Shemp. A friend of mine challenged my opinion of Shemp, and he said I should give him a second chance. I took this to heart, and I rewatched the Shemp episodes, and saw for the first time that, Shemp was indeed funny, but I realized that had hated him simply because he was not Curly. Now I can appreciate Shemp knowing that Curly was not able to make new episodes, and that Shemp was much better than nothing.

Short version of my review, I am trying hard not to hate Vidars.

Disclaimer: As i started/tried to write my review, I opened a bottle of Laphroaig, so at this point grammar, spelling, and coherence are optional, but I did my best.

I just got my Tyrs, hooked them up, and then I ran them for about 3 hours.

Background: I had a system with 8 Vidars for a 7.1, with seven channels of Martin Logan electrostatic speakers, and a Velodyne subwoofer . Each speaker had its own Vidar and the fronts had 1.5 Vidars. So, I was clearly Vidars biggest fan, as expressed in monetary terms. Recently, I upgraded my subwoofer and I replaced my longest running and oldest piece of equipment, my 30+ old 18" Velodyne, with a Rythmic 18" subwoofer. I had bi-amped my front Martin Logan speakers, and used a single Vidar for the top ends (200 Hz to 20K+) and had used a stereo Vidar for the gap between the Velodyne (20 Hz to 65 Hz) and 200Hz. The Rythmic was good to 100 Hz so I dropped the stereo Vidar, and I did not see anymore Vidar shut downs at extreme high levels. So my system now has only had 7 Vidars. The Rythmic sub was a very great improvement.

Next, I replaced two Vidars, Front Right and Front Left, with two Tyr amps. This took most of my Saturday afternoon moving stuff around in the rack and since Tyr amps are twice as wide, I added an extra shelf. My review is only about the two front stereo speakers and the Rythmic subwoofer only. The other channels are not used when I listen to music. The surround 7.1 is only for movies. I switch the front channels between Stereo and and Surround using a Ragnarok as a preamp/headphone amplifier. I will recalibrate my Denon Surround processor later this week for movies.

I also wanted to say that while setting up the Tyrs, and listening, I had not yet read any of the Tyr reviews.

However, I did catch up on Head-fi and I read the reviews before I starting writing my review and I share the enthusiasm of the other reviewers of Tyr. I think only someone who had heard a pair of Try amps, could understand the previous reviews.

I started my listening with a favorite HD recording of Stevie Ray Vaughn. I was blown away. I could hear more than I ever could. Mind blown! It sounded like I had taken the cotton out of my ears. The improvement was not just the High end or low end it was everything. I definitely could hear more of the drums, and I could hear the strings die out over a much longer period of time. I could hear the subtleness of the drummer, that I never heard before. I became aware of the drummer, I think using brushes to get a subtle effect that I never heard before. My favorite album is new again. I could hear more than I ever heard at home or at his concerts. The Tyr and the Rhythmic combine to give the finest sounding drums I have ever heard.

Next, I thought I should try an old, "normal", average, non-HD recording so I went to Leon Redbone from 1975. It was like hearing it for the first time, and I fell in love with his music all over again. I heard stuff that was never there before. It reminded me of the times I saw him live, and up close except I could hear more.

Next, I went to an old Windham Hill recording of Michael Hedges, Arial Boundaries. As he plucked the strings, they seem like they took forever to finally die away. His music seemed new again. It felt like someone turned on a slight reverb and the strings kept going. I could hear his guitar clearer than I could when I hear him when he started out in the local coffee shops in the SF bay area, and I was only a few feet away.

Next on to: Old and In the Way, with David Grisman and Jerry Garcia. Everything sounds new again. More to listen to, more to love.

Many of the musicians I love are gone now, but Tyr gives more more of them, even after their passing.

Warning: If I like your music, there is a strong chance you are going to die.

I did not go to the best recordings, I tried to find an examples of everything I liked, loved or knew well, and yet, I could not find a single album or song that did not sound better with Tyr, Midnight oil, Justin Johnson, etc, all were new again.

No matter what I threw at the Tyr amps, they made it sound better.

The last biggest prior improvement to my system was my Yiggy OG. (This as back before, we knew to call it OG). I loved it so much I told an audio friend about it and he said "I am old I would not be able to hear the difference anymore." I had him come over and listen to the Yiggy. He bought one. Later when we listened to his Yiggy we would comment "I never hear that xxx". We both could hear stuff we never heard before. Like a tambourine lost in the mix a subtle brush of a drum or a second guitar riff, or we could tell that percussive sound was a wood block. We could hear it was wood! His wife got so mad at us that, she told us we were never allowed to say "I never heard xxx before". However the Yiggy's magic did not work on every recording. It made many things sound better, but not all things.

So far, I have yet to find a recording that the Tyr did make sound better. and that I did not find something new that was lost in the "mix". "Mix" equals sound less than that of a a Tyr.

Maybe I am old, maybe I drank too much Laphroaig, maybe I drank too much of the Schiit Koolade, (probably better than eating Schiit.), but this is the single biggest audio improvement I have ever made to my moderate audio system. (I have archived audio moderation, only because more would have been excessive.)
Conclusion:
Vidar = Shemp
Tyr = Curly

It is 1AM I am going to bed...

Anybody who appreciates Curly -- or is just interested generally in the human condition and the meaning of life -- should really be aware of this brilliant meditation on the Stooges.

 

[Ripper2860]

Oh yeah. The women love guys that spend two grand on something that literally just spins outdated technology, and doesn't even play it.

The kind of women I want would.

** And according to Jason, the estimated/target price for Urd is about $1200.

 

[Ripper2860]

I have a feeling it'd cost $1499 each. I mean, how much money could it possibly save in parts? These guys are so close to the bone as it is.

That's like 1/2 of the price of the 2x mono-blocks required for stereo. Sign me up!!

 

[Paladin79]

About wattage and loudness.
I assume most of you audio guys ad gals know this, to get an audible double loudness, you need + 10dB, to achieve that you need 10x the extra wattage from the power amp.
So to sound twice as loud you need to go from 80 watts (Aegir) to 800 watts, if even your speakers can handle that. Most likely not.

10 to 20 watts with the right speakers can be amazing, This article offers some decent information about DB, Wattage, and SPL, and yes it is pretty basic information.
https://spinditty.com/instruments-gear/Speaker-Watt

 

[RCBinTN]

I could hear the subtleness of the drummer, that I never heard before. I became aware of the drummer, I think using brushes to get a subtle effect that I never heard before. My favorite album is new again. I could hear more than I ever heard at home or at his concerts. The Tyr and the Rhythmic combine to give the finest sounding drums I have ever heard.

Well written ... the drums are often overlooked in reviews. Try some jazz fusion drummers, for example Simon Phillips, and enjoy! He used three drum techs on his recent Protocol album - who does that!?

 

[golfbravobravo]

Well written ... the drums are often overlooked in reviews. Try some jazz fusion drummers, for example Simon Phillips, and enjoy! He used three drum techs on his recent Protocol album - who does that!?

Protocol IV?

 

[RCBinTN]

Anybody who appreciates Curly -- or is just interested generally in the human condition and the meaning of life -- should really be aware of this brilliant meditation on the Stooges.

Thank you. I captured that for future reference

 

[RCBinTN]

Protocol IV?

No - Protocol V is just out! And this one has horns playing (I didn't yet listen, but here's a taste) ...

 

[turtlerod]

Anybody who appreciates Curly -- or is just interested generally in the human condition and the meaning of life -- should really be aware of this brilliant meditation on the Stooges.

That was worth the read, nuck nuck.

 

[dieslemat]

Great vid on how a Tyr is made

 

[dieslemat]

I am about to give you my review of Tyr amps, after upgrading from Vidar amps, but first I digress.

I love Curly, of the Three Stooges, but I hated Shemp. A friend of mine challenged my opinion of Shemp, and he said I should give him a second chance. I took this to heart, and I rewatched the Shemp episodes, and saw for the first time that, Shemp was indeed funny, but I realized that had hated him simply because he was not Curly. Now I can appreciate Shemp knowing that Curly was not able to make new episodes, and that Shemp was much better than nothing.

Short version of my review, I am trying hard not to hate Vidars.

Disclaimer: As i started/tried to write my review, I opened a bottle of Laphroaig, so at this point grammar, spelling, and coherence are optional, but I did my best.

I just got my Tyrs, hooked them up, and then I ran them for about 3 hours.

Background: I had a system with 8 Vidars for a 7.1, with seven channels of Martin Logan electrostatic speakers, and a Velodyne subwoofer . Each speaker had its own Vidar and the fronts had 1.5 Vidars. So, I was clearly Vidars biggest fan, as expressed in monetary terms. Recently, I upgraded my subwoofer and I replaced my longest running and oldest piece of equipment, my 30+ old 18" Velodyne, with a Rythmic 18" subwoofer. I had bi-amped my front Martin Logan speakers, and used a single Vidar for the top ends (200 Hz to 20K+) and had used a stereo Vidar for the gap between the Velodyne (20 Hz to 65 Hz) and 200Hz. The Rythmic was good to 100 Hz so I dropped the stereo Vidar, and I did not see anymore Vidar shut downs at extreme high levels. So my system now has only had 7 Vidars. The Rythmic sub was a very great improvement.

Next, I replaced two Vidars, Front Right and Front Left, with two Tyr amps. This took most of my Saturday afternoon moving stuff around in the rack and since Tyr amps are twice as wide, I added an extra shelf. My review is only about the two front stereo speakers and the Rythmic subwoofer only. The other channels are not used when I listen to music. The surround 7.1 is only for movies. I switch the front channels between Stereo and and Surround using a Ragnarok as a preamp/headphone amplifier. I will recalibrate my Denon Surround processor later this week for movies.

I also wanted to say that while setting up the Tyrs, and listening, I had not yet read any of the Tyr reviews.

However, I did catch up on Head-fi and I read the reviews before I starting writing my review and I share the enthusiasm of the other reviewers of Tyr. I think only someone who had heard a pair of Try amps, could understand the previous reviews.

I started my listening with a favorite HD recording of Stevie Ray Vaughn. I was blown away. I could hear more than I ever could. Mind blown! It sounded like I had taken the cotton out of my ears. The improvement was not just the High end or low end it was everything. I definitely could hear more of the drums, and I could hear the strings die out over a much longer period of time. I could hear the subtleness of the drummer, that I never heard before. I became aware of the drummer, I think using brushes to get a subtle effect that I never heard before. My favorite album is new again. I could hear more than I ever heard at home or at his concerts. The Tyr and the Rhythmic combine to give the finest sounding drums I have ever heard.

Next, I thought I should try an old, "normal", average, non-HD recording so I went to Leon Redbone from 1975. It was like hearing it for the first time, and I fell in love with his music all over again. I heard stuff that was never there before. It reminded me of the times I saw him live, and up close except I could hear more.

Next, I went to an old Windham Hill recording of Michael Hedges, Arial Boundaries. As he plucked the strings, they seem like they took forever to finally die away. His music seemed new again. It felt like someone turned on a slight reverb and the strings kept going. I could hear his guitar clearer than I could when I hear him when he started out in the local coffee shops in the SF bay area, and I was only a few feet away.

Next on to: Old and In the Way, with David Grisman and Jerry Garcia. Everything sounds new again. More to listen to, more to love.

Many of the musicians I love are gone now, but Tyr gives more more of them, even after their passing.

Warning: If I like your music, there is a strong chance you are going to die.

I did not go to the best recordings, I tried to find an examples of everything I liked, loved or knew well, and yet, I could not find a single album or song that did not sound better with Tyr, Midnight oil, Justin Johnson, etc, all were new again.

No matter what I threw at the Tyr amps, they made it sound better.

The last biggest prior improvement to my system was my Yiggy OG. (This as back before, we knew to call it OG). I loved it so much I told an audio friend about it and he said "I am old I would not be able to hear the difference anymore." I had him come over and listen to the Yiggy. He bought one. Later when we listened to his Yiggy we would comment "I never hear that xxx". We both could hear stuff we never heard before. Like a tambourine lost in the mix a subtle brush of a drum or a second guitar riff, or we could tell that percussive sound was a wood block. We could hear it was wood! His wife got so mad at us that, she told us we were never allowed to say "I never heard xxx before". However the Yiggy's magic did not work on every recording. It made many things sound better, but not all things.

So far, I have yet to find a recording that the Tyr did make sound better. and that I did not find something new that was lost in the "mix". "Mix" equals sound less than that of a a Tyr.

Maybe I am old, maybe I drank too much Laphroaig, maybe I drank too much of the Schiit Koolade, (probably better than eating Schiit.), but this is the single biggest audio improvement I have ever made to my moderate audio system. (I have archived audio moderation, only because more would have been excessive.)
Conclusion:
Vidar = Shemp
Tyr = Curly

It is 1AM I am going to bed...

Great read. Thanks for sharing.
If I may ask what other amps you've owned before Vidar and Tyr?

 

[golfbravobravo]

No - Protocol V is just out! And this one has horns playing (I didn't yet listen, but here's a taste) ...

I tried IV and thought the recording (via Qobuz) was a bit flat.

I had to go with Gill Evans Live to recover........

 

[turtlerod]

Great read. Thanks for sharing.
If I may ask what other amps you've owned before Vidar and Tyr?

The Vidars replaced B&K and Adcom amps. I have owned all kinds of amps over the years from Phase Linear, to Carver 1000 watt amps.

 

[RCBinTN]

I tried IV and thought the recording (via Qobuz) was a bit flat.

I had to go with Gill Evans Live to recover........

IDK ... I have the CDs including V. Rock on, mate.

 

[OldRoadToad]

I am about to give you my review of Tyr amps, after upgrading from Vidar amps, but first I digress.

I love Curly, of the Three Stooges, but I hated Shemp. A friend of mine challenged my opinion of Shemp, and he said I should give him a second chance. I took this to heart, and I rewatched the Shemp episodes, and saw for the first time that, Shemp was indeed funny, but I realized that had hated him simply because he was not Curly. Now I can appreciate Shemp knowing that Curly was not able to make new episodes, and that Shemp was much better than nothing.

Short version of my review, I am trying hard not to hate Vidars.

Disclaimer: As i started/tried to write my review, I opened a bottle of Laphroaig, so at this point grammar, spelling, and coherence are optional, but I did my best.

I just got my Tyrs, hooked them up, and then I ran them for about 3 hours.

Background: I had a system with 8 Vidars for a 7.1, with seven channels of Martin Logan electrostatic speakers, and a Velodyne subwoofer . Each speaker had its own Vidar and the fronts had 1.5 Vidars. So, I was clearly Vidars biggest fan, as expressed in monetary terms. Recently, I upgraded my subwoofer and I replaced my longest running and oldest piece of equipment, my 30+ old 18" Velodyne, with a Rythmic 18" subwoofer. I had bi-amped my front Martin Logan speakers, and used a single Vidar for the top ends (200 Hz to 20K+) and had used a stereo Vidar for the gap between the Velodyne (20 Hz to 65 Hz) and 200Hz. The Rythmic was good to 100 Hz so I dropped the stereo Vidar, and I did not see anymore Vidar shut downs at extreme high levels. So my system now has only had 7 Vidars. The Rythmic sub was a very great improvement.

Next, I replaced two Vidars, Front Right and Front Left, with two Tyr amps. This took most of my Saturday afternoon moving stuff around in the rack and since Tyr amps are twice as wide, I added an extra shelf. My review is only about the two front stereo speakers and the Rythmic subwoofer only. The other channels are not used when I listen to music. The surround 7.1 is only for movies. I switch the front channels between Stereo and and Surround using a Ragnarok as a preamp/headphone amplifier. I will recalibrate my Denon Surround processor later this week for movies.

I also wanted to say that while setting up the Tyrs, and listening, I had not yet read any of the Tyr reviews.

However, I did catch up on Head-fi and I read the reviews before I starting writing my review and I share the enthusiasm of the other reviewers of Tyr. I think only someone who had heard a pair of Try amps, could understand the previous reviews.

I started my listening with a favorite HD recording of Stevie Ray Vaughn. I was blown away. I could hear more than I ever could. Mind blown! It sounded like I had taken the cotton out of my ears. The improvement was not just the High end or low end it was everything. I definitely could hear more of the drums, and I could hear the strings die out over a much longer period of time. I could hear the subtleness of the drummer, that I never heard before. I became aware of the drummer, I think using brushes to get a subtle effect that I never heard before. My favorite album is new again. I could hear more than I ever heard at home or at his concerts. The Tyr and the Rhythmic combine to give the finest sounding drums I have ever heard.

Next, I thought I should try an old, "normal", average, non-HD recording so I went to Leon Redbone from 1975. It was like hearing it for the first time, and I fell in love with his music all over again. I heard stuff that was never there before. It reminded me of the times I saw him live, and up close except I could hear more.

Next, I went to an old Windham Hill recording of Michael Hedges, Arial Boundaries. As he plucked the strings, they seem like they took forever to finally die away. His music seemed new again. It felt like someone turned on a slight reverb and the strings kept going. I could hear his guitar clearer than I could when I hear him when he started out in the local coffee shops in the SF bay area, and I was only a few feet away.

Next on to: Old and In the Way, with David Grisman and Jerry Garcia. Everything sounds new again. More to listen to, more to love.

Many of the musicians I love are gone now, but Tyr gives more more of them, even after their passing.

Warning: If I like your music, there is a strong chance you are going to die.

I did not go to the best recordings, I tried to find an examples of everything I liked, loved or knew well, and yet, I could not find a single album or song that did not sound better with Tyr, Midnight oil, Justin Johnson, etc, all were new again.

No matter what I threw at the Tyr amps, they made it sound better.

The last biggest prior improvement to my system was my Yiggy OG. (This as back before, we knew to call it OG). I loved it so much I told an audio friend about it and he said "I am old I would not be able to hear the difference anymore." I had him come over and listen to the Yiggy. He bought one. Later when we listened to his Yiggy we would comment "I never hear that xxx". We both could hear stuff we never heard before. Like a tambourine lost in the mix a subtle brush of a drum or a second guitar riff, or we could tell that percussive sound was a wood block. We could hear it was wood! His wife got so mad at us that, she told us we were never allowed to say "I never heard xxx before". However the Yiggy's magic did not work on every recording. It made many things sound better, but not all things.

So far, I have yet to find a recording that the Tyr did make sound better. and that I did not find something new that was lost in the "mix". "Mix" equals sound less than that of a a Tyr.

Maybe I am old, maybe I drank too much Laphroaig, maybe I drank too much of the Schiit Koolade, (probably better than eating Schiit.), but this is the single biggest audio improvement I have ever made to my moderate audio system. (I have archived audio moderation, only because more would have been excessive.)
Conclusion:
Vidar = Shemp
Tyr = Curly

It is 1AM I am going to bed...

The mentioning of the 3Stooges Curly and Shemp (who, along with Moe, were real life brothers!) alone is worthy of H.o.F. induction but to tie them together with Schiit and to do so with grace, style and humor as well as the respect due to both parties? *SNIF* *SNIF* Superb!

And so that all may know this is truly me posting...I hated (not personally) both Joe (Besser) and Curly Joe DeRita) with the former's incessant whining just flat out ruining the act.

Moe, Larry, Shemp and Curly were the Schiit. Those other two I would refer to as the 2Spooges. Ugh. But it is impossible to replace perfection and Curly was that personified. A good man and on top of that, from what I have read about him, he was a dog lover. I have a fond memory of getting into "trouble" because right after watching the 3Stooges I said to my parents in front of some of their friends, "I'm a victim of coicumcision!" My dad could barely contain his laughter until he had removed me from the living room, instructed me on correct pronunciation and sent me off to the 7-11 with 50 cents to buy what ever I wanted!

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