Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up

Jul 13, 2015 at 11:36 AM Post #6,946 of 194,864
That hot knob is not burying your finger, it's simply alerting you to the sweet sounds you're about to hear. I LOVE the fact that when the guys at Schiit Audio say "Class A" they mean "Class A" as I've always understood it to mean.  
 
Jul 13, 2015 at 12:30 PM Post #6,947 of 194,864
That hot knob is not burying your finger, it's simply alerting you to the sweet sounds you're about to hear. I LOVE the fact that when the guys at Schiit Audio say "Class A" they mean "Class A" as I've always understood it to mean.  


-Besides, if it is class A and gets too hot, just crank the volume up to 11 and feel the amp start to cool off...
 
Jul 13, 2015 at 12:31 PM Post #6,948 of 194,864
-Besides, if it is class A and gets too hot, just crank the volume up to 11 and feel the amp start to cool off...

 
Exactly, drive your planar cans with it and it'll cool down a bit. 
 
I didn't realize they went to 11:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc
 
Jul 13, 2015 at 12:43 PM Post #6,949 of 194,864
Here's the reality: we try to do our best, within the constraints we have (usually cost.) To do our best, we accept some tradeoffs. Tradeoffs like products that run warm, or switches on the back, or limited color choice to keep the number of product variations down.
 
And, at the same time, we try to be as transparent as possible about what we do, both via the site (which will clearly specify limitations of individual products, such as ringing with Vali, limited output capability of Valhalla 2 into low impedance loads, etc) and via support with Nick (he will not up-sell nor promise audio rainbows at increasing price levels, nor recommend what you don't need)  and via this book, which really does try to paint things as they are.
 
That said, we will screw up. If the screwup is big (as in the product doesn't work), we'll do our best to recall, repair, refund, or otherwise make sure everyone is as happy as they can be. If the screwup is smaller (as in, we missed a feature that people really want and need), you'll be sure to see it in a upgrade or next-generation production.
 
And, bottom line, no product is perfect for everyone. As Mike has said, even if we were to produce a theoretically perfect product, there will be misgivings about it (Ah, it runs dead-cold? Can't possibly sound good. It's so cheap, how can it be decent, so why bother even listening? It looks too good, must be about looks rather than performance, so let's skip it. It lasts forever and has an infinite warranty, what if I get bored? It's so flexible that it can do everything I want, well, it must be compromised.)
 
Perception is a funny thing. If what we make is something that works for you, wonderful, and thank you, as we continue to try to bring fun products that are true to the original source to the widest audience possible.
 
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Jul 13, 2015 at 12:46 PM Post #6,950 of 194,864
I didn't know Schiit want to release one product per quarter
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Is this in their strategic plan?

Agreed, nothing matters but the [REDACTED]. My prediction: at switch on it will instantly redact my entire collection of headphones, speakers, amps, DACs, source and digitally stored music.

Life will be so much simpler.

Well, ideally that's what Jason said in one of the chapters of the story. However, after reading said story I'm really not worried about them releasing something exactly every quarter. They need to run into a few problems with everything before they release it. 
I am really looking forwards to the R2R upgrade impressions for gungnir and bifrost. I'm personally getting the Yggy, but I hope that tons of people enjoy the sound. I'm wondering if the REDACTED will be anything I'm interested in. If not, at least I'll be able to read the FAQ. 
 
Jul 13, 2015 at 12:51 PM Post #6,951 of 194,864
  Here's the reality: we try to do our best, within the constraints we have (usually cost.) To do our best, we accept some tradeoffs. Tradeoffs like products that run warm, or switches on the back, or limited color choice to keep the number of product variations down.
 
And, at the same time, we try to be as transparent as possible about what we do, both via the site (which will clearly specify limitations of individual products, such as ringing with Vali, limited output capability of Valhalla 2 into low impedance loads, etc) and via support with Nick (he will not up-sell nor promise audio rainbows at increasing price levels, nor recommend what you don't need)  and via this book, which really does try to paint things as they are.
 
That said, we will screw up. If the screwup is big (as in the product doesn't work), we'll do our best to recall, repair, refund, or otherwise make sure everyone is as happy as they can be. If the screwup is smaller (as in, we missed a feature that people really want and need), you'll be sure to see it in a upgrade or next-generation production.
 
And, bottom line, no product is perfect for everyone. As Mike has said, even if we were to produce a theoretically perfect product, there will be misgivings about it (Ah, it runs dead-cold? Can't possibly sound good. It's so cheap, how can it be decent, so why bother even listening? It looks too good, must be about looks rather than performance, so let's skip it. It lasts forever and has an infinite warranty, what if I get bored? It's so flexible that it can do everything I want, well, it must be compromised.)
 
Perception is a funny thing. If what we make is something that works for you, wonderful, and thank you, as we continue to try to bring fun products that are true to the original source to the widest audience possible.

I think this thread is you saying exactly what you just said in a lengthened version. I'm sure all the people who you're appealing to already understand what Schiit is about, so you don't have to clarify except for the few very vocal dudes who ask the same question in a different way. No need to repeat your goals, everyone important already gets the drift! 
Keep up the cool/hot work dude!
 
Jul 13, 2015 at 1:01 PM Post #6,952 of 194,864
  Here's the reality: we try to do our best, within the constraints we have (usually cost.) To do our best, we accept some tradeoffs. Tradeoffs like products that run warm, or switches on the back, or limited color choice to keep the number of product variations down.
 
And, at the same time, we try to be as transparent as possible about what we do, both via the site (which will clearly specify limitations of individual products, such as ringing with Vali, limited output capability of Valhalla 2 into low impedance loads, etc) and via support with Nick (he will not up-sell nor promise audio rainbows at increasing price levels, nor recommend what you don't need)  and via this book, which really does try to paint things as they are.
 
That said, we will screw up. If the screwup is big (as in the product doesn't work), we'll do our best to recall, repair, refund, or otherwise make sure everyone is as happy as they can be. If the screwup is smaller (as in, we missed a feature that people really want and need), you'll be sure to see it in a upgrade or next-generation production.
 
And, bottom line, no product is perfect for everyone. As Mike has said, even if we were to produce a theoretically perfect product, there will be misgivings about it (Ah, it runs dead-cold? Can't possibly sound good. It's so cheap, how can it be decent, so why bother even listening? It looks too good, must be about looks rather than performance, so let's skip it. It lasts forever and has an infinite warranty, what if I get bored? It's so flexible that it can do everything I want, well, it must be compromised.)
 
Perception is a funny thing. If what we make is something that works for you, wonderful, and thank you, as we continue to try to bring fun products that are true to the original source to the widest audience possible.

Spot on Jason, and that is one of the reasons I have so many of your products. Besides sounding incredible, I love the perspective!
 
Jul 13, 2015 at 1:21 PM Post #6,953 of 194,864
I absolutely LOVE Schiit Audio's way of doing business, for one, selling direct is saving us A LOT of money. Another is, for the most part, they use internal power supplies and simple yet clean/elegant looking cases. Offering several types of circuit design rather than hanging their hat on one type as the "one and only way" of doing it right. 
 
Offering upgradable DAC's and then actually coming through with reasonably priced upgrades? Are you kidding me? At these prices, it's almost too good to be true. Flip through an Audio Advisor and see how many DAC's say they're upgradable, only to see it's replacement a year later. I realize some companies do offer upgrades, but not that many and none at the prices that Schiit Audio offers them. 
 
Back to Schiit Audio's cases, flip through most any issue of Stereophile or TAS and you'll see incredible casework that must have taken hours and hours on a CNC machine and leaving behind a ton of wasted/material that wasn't cheap. The case itself HAS to be the most expensive part of many of the high-end components out there today.
 
I can't think of another company that is offering as much for the money, on these types of components while being made in the U.S and covered for 5 years like Schiit Audio. 
 
Rant over...Oh, true "Class A" gear runs hot at idle. 
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Jul 13, 2015 at 2:08 PM Post #6,954 of 194,864

I know this is discussed many times here and some of the following posts after I posted that the the knob is too warm, did not get the purpose here.
 
The great thing with Schiit and especially Jason is that he and his company takes the posts seriously. Many other companies ignore feedback. That is also why i have 5 Schiit devices. I like the design, the sound and the ideas behind their product line.
 
A small company only can survive long term if they hear the voice of customer. And all these positive or negative feedback here I think will be fed into new development. I am engineer too, I developed many products in the medical business. So I know the restrictions of creating a new product. Time to market, cost, use cases ...
 
So please see my feedback as a voice of customer. Next time when you review with your engineering team the feedback, maybe one of your engineers has a easy and cost effective way of decoupling the knob. 
 
Jul 13, 2015 at 2:17 PM Post #6,955 of 194,864
I can't understand why people would want their knob to be cold.  I do anything I can to keep mine warm.  I like a warm knob.
 
Jul 13, 2015 at 2:23 PM Post #6,956 of 194,864
  I can't understand why people would want their knob to be cold.  I do anything I can to keep mine warm.  I like a warm knob.

 
+1 and the one on my Schiit Amp as well.
 
Jul 13, 2015 at 2:27 PM Post #6,958 of 194,864
Agreed, usually the problem of a device is in front of it and not inside ...
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Jul 13, 2015 at 2:29 PM Post #6,959 of 194,864
@Jason Stoddard No matter what you say, somebody is going to turn up the heat and you're gonna catch some Schiit. Thats the way audiophiles roll, so don't worry too much.
 
Jul 13, 2015 at 2:32 PM Post #6,960 of 194,864
I'm not worried...and we do hear you...but if there were easy solutions to some of our shortcomings, we would have applied them. Well, easy solutions that didn't require something ugly like a plastic knob, or aluminum-coated plastic knob. 
 
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