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Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up

Discussion in 'Jason Stoddard' started by jason stoddard, Jan 23, 2014.
  1. belgiangenius
    We are in a similar boat. When I started with DACS 10 years ago, I was building my own from engineering evaluation boards. Then I rebuilt and reworked some vintage Adcom GDA600/700 units. From there, as my budget became less restrictive, I messed around with some early Lampizator units - that's where I learned that tubes can have a heavenly (or awful) effect on sound. Once I tried a Yggdrasil, I bought one and that ended my experimentation with source equipment.

    Then Freya appeared, so I grabbed one, eager to have tubes somewhere in my system. My Freya is connected to my Yamaha B2/NS-1000M combo, which have been completely rebuilt and improved by me.

    So, yeah, we're probably not Schiit's typical customers. But when you make schiit as good as they do, we show up to try and buy your gear. And, yeah, I can sometimes be a pain in the ass. :beerchug:
     
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  2. judson_w
    Issues with making improvements that change structure are making sure that they are backwards compatible and getting manufacturers to adopt the new method. Of course, if it is backwards compatible, they will not need to adapt, and thus you spent time developing something with limited effect. If you make it not backwards compatible, you annoy a lot of customers unless they get adapters (which would still annoy them), and there probably would still be resistance from manufactures to adopt your new methods.
     
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  3. Paladin79
    You should visit the Vali tube rolling thread if you have not. There is a gentleman there from Belgium who gets some very good deals on 6sn7 equivalents from Europe. Old Deaf Donkey out of Brussels.

    https://www.head-fi.org/threads/vali-2-tube-rolling.793982/page-181#post-14989230
     
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  4. Robert Padgett
    Sorry that you now think anyone who does not agree with your assessment of an Average Schiit customer has pent up hostility.

    I have no hostility and I am an "older and more experienced" audio reviewer and critic. Prior to that, a Photojournalist for the British News Agency, Reuters.

    Let me make a comparison in something you may be able to understand. The German firm, Volkswagen AG produces a car that is targeted for people who want a modern version of the Iconic "Bug", first designed under Hitler by Ferdinand Porsche as the "people's car". That corporation produces the following Premium Marques:
    • Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A. ...
    • Bentley. ...
    • Bugatti Automobiles S.A.S. ...
    • Porsche AG. ...
    • and licensed their trademarks for rights to the Spirit of Ecstasy and Rolls-Royce grille shape trademarks from Volkswagen AG to BMW AG.
    So what is the average VW customer?
    The Bugatti Veyron at $2 million each or the VW Golf or Beetle buyer?

    The Freya is a $900 pre-amp with a tube hybrid buffer. A brand new 6SN7 from Slovakia's JJ-Electronic costs $17.95, and you simply cannot tolerate a tube that costs less than extremely expensive, vintage vacuum tubes.

    "Snobbish attitude" is the expectation that a company whose "average customer" buys quality audio gear in the $99 - $350 price range should install a switch on their least expensive Tube Pre-amp ($299) so as to not have to turn the power off when you are choosing to not listen.

    The Co-founder of that company explained that implementation of the switch on the Freya, the $900 version, was problematic and would be difficult to implement in the smaller form factor $300 Saga.


    Snobbish? Actually, I think you describing yourself as an "idiot" was self-evident and I said so. Prima facie means 'on first sight.'

    I only confirmed your self-diagnosis, and as The Affordable Audiophile, I can at least recognize that if you want the functionality of the $900 unit, then pony up $1200 and buy four vintage, rare and acceptable to you valves and enjoy.

    Try writing the CEO of Volkswagen, Herr Herbert Diess, and admonish him because the Buggati V-12 engine isn't an option on the Beetle...

    www.nytimes.com/1998/07/29/news/bmw-wrests-rollsroyce-name-away-from-vw.html
     
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  5. Pietro Cozzi Tinin
    Huh? It isn't?
     
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  6. Robert Padgett
    @Jason Stoddard My Vali 2 arrived in December, so all of my tube experience has been in an intensive, steep learning curve over the past six months. And yes, I never gave your choices of stock tubes a fair shake before wanting to roll in other glass. Then something happened and I decided to put the stock 6BZ7 back in the Vali 2 and used the 6N6P and stock 6N1P in my new Valhalla.

    I was determined to use a pair of 1951 ribbed plate Fotons on the Valhalla--despite the need for stacked socket-savers and an adapter. Folks told me they needed 100 hours to break-in so after over 150 hours I said "fuggedaboutit" and put in your choice of 6N1Ps and now I appreciated the choice you made in "voicing" VH2.

    I determined that if you intended using 6SN7 on the input stage, you would have designed it that way. My collection of 6SN7s sound great on the Vali 2-- all $20 worth (for six tubes).

    Have you considered sourcing your new tubes from JJ-Electronic from Slovakia?
    They make both a 6922-type and their ECC99 is working in place of the 6N6P on my Valhalla currently (no pun intended). I am enjoying their ECC82 (12au7) with adapters, and rolling in a 6DJ8 set for a different flavor, but I still like the "house sound" of the Russian Rockets, 6N1P.
     
  7. Gazny
    Judging by the picture, and looking at the bottom of the monitor it appears that the picture is just flipped.
    Here is what it should look like.
    Screen_Shot_2019-06-07_at_2.26.42_PM.png
     
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  8. White Noise
    Don't undersell Bugatti - they use a W-16 in their cars :p I don't know how that gets power through a single transmission to all 4 wheels, but I assume that's where some of the price comes from XD
     
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  9. Robert Padgett
    I'll stand corrected, certainly no room for four more cylinders in the Beetle... and what Tubes does the Veyron use?:ksc75smile::ksc75smile:
     
  10. jimmers
    "wowzers"
    Perhaps it would not be your favourite in Australia
    (although we spell it with an S not a Z, of course, English language) :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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  11. jimmers
    I think they are tubeless (tyres),
    Are you having a bad day? :worried:
    DUH!
     
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  12. wabe
    Maybe it's a Southern Hemisphere version of the Freya to minimze the coriolis effect? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  13. golfbravobravo
    I'm sitting looking at mine, which is the right-handed variant. It was intended as humor. Though the video does have the the whole thing flipped.


    :)
     
  14. golfbravobravo
    That why my music swirls the other way!!!!

    And, I assume, the left channel music come out of the right speaker. I should ask my son........
     
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  15. Ableza
    Hand-rubbed Russian monk tubes. Sounds like a great name for a band.
     

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