Schiit Gungnir DAC

[jcn3]

 
Your advice is contrary to everyone else's.
 
One of the big advantages of the Gungnir Multibit is the custom closed form oversampling filter.  Its output is correct at every point.
 
Comparisons have been done of the Jriver upsampling vs Schiit's closed form oversampling filter and the Schiit internal filter was found clearly better.
 
Note that minor inaccuracies can give apparently "improved" sound (much like boosting the treble can sometimes make recordings sound clearer).
 
All Jriver Output Format settings should be set to "No change" (except the ones below 44.1, and above 384).

 
hey, ymmv.  welcome to the internet and the world of opinions.

 

[jfoxvol]

Sorry, but you must conform.  Go Vols.

 

[jcn3]

  Sorry, but you must conform.  Go Vols.

 
definitely, Go Vols!

 

[TubemanRQ]

  Awesome, thank you. I'm following up the question from earlier because Nick at Schiit said it will work as long as the off amp doesn't short the inputs when off. I'm not sure how to tell if an amp shorts the input.

Hi!
 
    You can take a multimeter with the "continuity" setting and, assuming you are testing single-ended inputs, connect one lead to the ground of the input, outer part of the RCA connector, and the other lead to the center "hot" and see if you have continuity. Check this when you turn the amp off without any other connections to the inputs. This should give you an indication if they are shorted when you turn the amp off. I think it's rare that an amp does this, but I guess it is a possibility.
 
Cheers!

 

[hodgjy]

Hi!

    You can take a multimeter with the "continuity" setting and, assuming you are testing single-ended inputs, connect one lead to the ground of the input, outer part of the RCA connector, and the other lead to the center "hot" and see if you have continuity. Check this when you turn the amp off without any other connections to the inputs. This should give you an indication if they are shorted when you turn the amp off. I think it's rare that an amp does this, but I guess it is a possibility.

Cheers!

Awesome, thank you. Now I need to dig up my multimeter and see if it has those settings.

 

[kstuart]

This sentence from today's Computer Audiophile review of Yggdrasil, more eloquently explains why the Jriver upconverting might be more initially "pleasing" than the more accurate Gungnir internal filter oversampling:
 
" Another impression I received when comparing the Yggdrasil to the sound of other DACs, is that the other DACs reminded me of an old boombox I had in the 1980s that had a setting called ST-WIDE. The Toshiba boombox had a setting for Mono, Stereo, and ST-WIDE (Link). When using the ST-WIDE setting the sound grew much larger in an inauthentic manner that was pleasing for a little while and would have been really neat had I never heard what the normal Stereo setting sounded like. "
 
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/670-schiit-audio-yggdrasil-multibit-dac-review/

 

[Cha Cha Cha]

Gungir competitors?
Is there a DAC with similar characteristics (balanced/dual chip/ XLR/ upgraable) within the price range of the Schiit's?
 
Have only read about a Rotel model (though not much info about it) and out of my price range DACs like the Da Vinci or the MSB line.

 

[Cha Cha Cha]

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[hodgjy]

Gungir competitors?
Is there a DAC with similar characteristics (balanced/dual chip/ XLR/ upgraable) within the price range of the Schiit's?

Have only read about a Rotel model (though not much info about it) and out of my price range DACs like the Da Vinci or the MSB line.

Not quite all of your wants, but look into Wyred 4 Sound.

 

[Cha Cha Cha]

All the more impressive of the Schiit as a bargain, considering it's features.

 

[jcn3]

This sentence from today's Computer Audiophile review of Yggdrasil, more eloquently explains why the Jriver upconverting might be more initially "pleasing" than the more accurate Gungnir internal filter oversampling:

" Another impression I received when comparing the Yggdrasil to the sound of other DACs, is that the other DACs reminded me of an old boombox I had in the 1980s that had a setting called ST-WIDE. The Toshiba boombox had a setting for Mono, Stereo, and ST-WIDE (Link). When using the ST-WIDE setting the sound grew much larger in an inauthentic manner that was pleasing for a little while and would have been really neat had I never heard what the normal Stereo setting sounded like. "

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/670-schiit-audio-yggdrasil-multibit-dac-review/

Of course, that quote was not referring to jriver, up sampling, bit depth, over sampling or anything resembling that . . . The quote is comparing perceived air in sigma-delta converters vs. the Multibit architecture of the Yggy.

 

[kstuart]

It's an explanation of pleasing sound improvement that is not in the original recording .  The example is from an entirely analog device, the point is that it is a good example.
 
Only hours ago, the designer of the Gungnir stated in this very thread:
 
" The way the megaburrito filter works iis that it converts all 16 bit 44.1/48 files to 352.8/384 19 bit hi-res files of its own.  The reason it sounds the way it does is because our filter is better than the filter used to convert up 16 bit 44.1/48 to hi-res. "
 
I don't think he did hours of work so people could bypass his filter.

 

[jfoxvol]

It's an explanation of pleasing sound improvement that is not in the original recording .  The example is from an entirely analog device, the point is that it is a good example.

Only hours ago, the designer of the Gungnir stated in this very thread:

" The way the megaburrito filter works iis that it converts all 16 bit 44.1/48 files to 352.8/384 19 bit hi-res files of its own.  The reason it sounds the way it does is [COLOR=FF0000]because our filter is better than the filter used to convert up[/COLOR] 16 bit 44.1/48 to hi-res. "

I don't think he did hours of work so people could bypass his filter.

This and your last several posts are quite argumentative. Now we are at red and bold. Honestly, dude just said agree to disagree and then two more argumentative posts. Honestly, I think this is in bad taste and probably in violation of some forum rules. Let's keep it clean and polite.

 

[kstuart]

This and your last several posts are quite argumentative. Now we are at red and bold. Honestly, dude just said agree to disagree and then two more argumentative posts. Honestly, I think this is in bad taste and probably in violation of some forum rules. Let's keep it clean and polite.

I just think it is counterproductive, when someone asked for a recommendation on what to do with the Gungnir, and the answer was to bypass one of the most important features.
 
My post with the analogy taken from the Yggdrasil review did not mention any other posters.
 
At this point, I'm happy to let it stand at this, but I also am fine with everyone saying whatever they like in reply.

 

[jfoxvol]

Let's all have a beer and listen to some music