Scary News About Super Audio CD!
Sep 16, 2005 at 1:17 AM Post #31 of 115
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Originally Posted by JefferyK
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Jeffery



I can tell that much of what's selling well are those pop and rap titles which are mostly filler. And most of those new titles which is made of good (or "real") music have sold relatively poorly.
 
Sep 16, 2005 at 2:23 AM Post #32 of 115
The medium is too schizoid to maker a dent.what does it want to be ? The ultimate in sound for the audiophile with a good system or a multichannel gimmick aimed at the mass market consumer level "surround sound in a box" market ?
Redbook can sound damn good on proper gear and better than anything before it on crap gear so the average consumer is happy as things are.
The audiophile is always dipping into the esoteric and the new (like my early Betamax and SQ forays. Just had to have it to be cool !
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) but at the same time fine tuning or "rediscovering" the old as musical taste matures.
The calling to vinyl and analog tape is a strong one when the systemn is up to it and is truly "hi res" but only if the equipment is of a level to portray it properly so the new is only a partner format for those with a certain level of system refinement and not a replacement for what they have already.

The multichannel aspect of the new formats is no more than another shot at "quadraphonics" and a gimmick.Since the first Hafler Dynaquad there has been the attempt to add multiple channels to increase the apparent size of a recorded performance in the attempt to recreate something of the live experience.Problem is,if the recording is a overdubbed studio recording it already has no relation to any live performance so the attempt at manipulation sounds artificial-as it should.
So what good is multichannel sound ?
Well for movie viewing on a big screen an absolute "must have".Theaters have known this since the thirties and if i remeber right Fantasia had full surround way before it was even a word.the images on the screen being larger than life need "IN YO FACE" larger than life sound or there is a disconnect and the illusion falls flat.Even on the small screen the artificial directional cues are a plus and not detriment to the total experience.

Music though is not the movies and we may not have been in a movie but at one time or another we have heard live music even if it was just singing the national anthem in school.We know which direction a sound should come from and if something not there is added artificially.No amount of manipulation no matter how dramatic sounding will fool the average human into thinking the space of the room has been increased and that is why Dolby Headphone has never taken hold like many thopught it would.
Great for movies with headphones but other than a few headphone geeks not too many watch movies with cans sitting on their head.
Music ?
Sucks.Has no relationship to reality and is in fact an effect having no relationship with reality.Far better suited to gaming or teenagers with a boombox but not for serious music listening.There IS a proper use for multichannel music and that is the recreation of an actual live performance where the microphones are placed according to some locked in stone standard so the end user is a known quanitity with a particular number of loudspeakers placed in a "standard" array.when this is known the mics can be placed accordingly and when played back with this in mind WILL recreate the original space.the only thing standing in the way would be visual cues.That is where your ears are telling you the listening area is HUGE but your eyes are telling your brain "uh uh bub.No way".No way around that otyher than closing your eyes.
So not only would we need a standard format but an actual standard playback format as in the initial Dolby Surround that finally brought multichannel to the home to stay for the first time in audio history ulike all the whacky formats that went before and were semi-compatible but still all over the map.
Live recordings made with that standard in mind to make multichannel music go.To transcend the two dimensional and bring 3D sound home but in a realistic manner.Anything less fools no one so why bother spending the extra loot other than for the "gotta have it" syndrome ?
It is new,it is there,it has potential so no matter what the cost or how limited the software library there will always be enough folks buying in to keep a trickle of the technology alive until it is supplanted by "the next big thing" as in the DVD player killing not the VCR ,which it cohabited with for many years, but the laser disc which has to this day many who have extensive collections of software or the vinyl disc which was largely supplanted by the CD.


BTW-what worries me most is if this does take hold the slope is down after that.All early first and second generation machines of any format are pretty much all out efforst in the attempt to suck in the consumer but once they take the hook the rush is to shave dollars while offering so called "features" all in a package meant to last only a couple of years before it self destructs.no longer is gear built for the long haul and the lack of a serious warranty is evidence enough how much faith the manufacturers place in their own equipment.Gone will be 90% of the actual metal and "heft".gone will be designer parts to be replaced with the cheapest available.Gone will be the individual ciruit blocks to be replaced by a single large-scale-integration (LSI) chip which by its very existance means comprimise.
Then we will have mass market crap sold widely to the masses while at the same time over priced "audiophile" gear sold at a ridiculous markup just so the ones who care can actually have a piece of gear good enough to stack up to the promise.
We also would need to start amybe liscencing recording engineers.Some minimal proof they actually have a clue.Considering how badly some screw up two channels i hate to think what they would do if they had access to six or eight or ten or..........................................



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Sep 16, 2005 at 3:24 AM Post #33 of 115
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Originally Posted by JefferyK
Okay, okay. But LP made the music business less money than DVD-A and SACD combined!


The Sextet from Lucia with Caruso and Ferrar sold in 1914 for $4.50. That was almost a weeks wages for one four minute song! If you adjust for inflation, 78s made more money than LPs and CDs combined. 78s were manufactured for sixty years. That's a LOT of records!

See ya
Steve
 
Sep 16, 2005 at 4:13 AM Post #34 of 115
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Originally Posted by rickcr42
There IS a proper use for multichannel music and that is the recreation of an actual live performance where the microphones are placed according to some locked in stone standard so the end user is a known quanitity with a particular number of loudspeakers placed in a "standard" array.when this is known the mics can be placed accordingly and when played back with this in mind WILL recreate the original space.


And then there was ambisonics...

What a tragedy that is. It basically solves all the problems with surround sound audio... you don't have to design for some particular number or placement of loudspeakers. It's less bandwidth-intensive: with 2 channels you can achieve very nice horizonally-surround effects, with 3 channels you can get complete horizontal surround, and with 4 channels you can full, "with-height" surround. It's fully scalable: you don't have those stringent standards and number and placement of speakers, you tell the decoder how many you have, and where they're located in the room.

It's pretty cool stuff, you guys should check it out:
http://www.ambisonic.net/
 
Sep 16, 2005 at 5:21 AM Post #35 of 115
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Originally Posted by rickcr42
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BTW-what worries me most is if this does take hold the slope is down after that.All early first and second generation machines of any format are pretty much all out efforst in the attempt to suck in the consumer but once they take the hook the rush is to shave dollars while offering so called "features" all in a package meant to last only a couple of years before it self destructs.no longer is gear built for the long haul and the lack of a serious warranty is evidence enough how much faith the manufacturers place in their own equipment.Gone will be 90% of the actual metal and "heft".gone will be designer parts to be replaced with the cheapest available.Gone will be the individual ciruit blocks to be replaced by a single large-scale-integration (LSI) chip which by its very existance means comprimise.
Then we will have mass market crap sold widely to the masses while at the same time over priced "audiophile" gear sold at a ridiculous markup just so the ones who care can actually have a piece of gear good enough to stack up to the promise.



Really? First and second generation machines are better?
I am glad I own the first, mass-market, multi-channel SACD/DVD player made by Sony. It does have pretty decent audio capability. With proper power conditioning it sounds almost identical to my DAC1 for redbook. Rumor has it that Sony sold early SACD/DVD players with zero profit to attract customers.
 
Sep 16, 2005 at 3:30 PM Post #36 of 115
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Really? First and second generation machines are better?


Absolutely !

When a consumer technology is introduced it is geared to the High End audio show and the review magazine.The company is trying to show off what they have comne up with so the early models are built as they should be.Once this "new thing" is accepted by the populace (after being convinced by the "experts" they MUST have this !) the entire line is re-engineered for ease of assembly and increased profit margins.
Consider the "show and tell" stages as just another part of R&D and market evaluation.Offer crap and no one notices.Build in unreliability and the entire technology will get a bad rap if one or a few break on the reviewer or in the middle of a show.So they build the best unit they can while keeping the price at least semi-reachable for the affluent consumer.Those who always buy the latest and the greatest because they have the means.
But that will not float an entire class of products and like the VCR,like Surround sound and like the DVD player only when the technology enters the living room of joe nameless does it become the norm and accepted as a standard.That means a streamlined assembly line using unskilled workers.that means lower cost at the consumer end and that means cutting corners in the quality and reliability areas.

Gone is the heavy metal damped chassis.A device formerly weighing in close to 20-30 pounds will now be shaved down to seven or five by replacing metal parts with plastic.By replacing individual circuit cards with a single chip.By taking the high end chassis isolation feet off and internal chassis damping out.By removing the former heavy face plate and replacing it with a piece of injection molded plastic.
These things are understandable because like I said,it is the mass market that determines what is accepted as the norm and not a few audiophiles/videophiles or those with enough disposable income" to have their toys.
When the VCR was introduced most were huge top loaders going for what would be around $3K in adjusted dollars.Beautiful machines that had a solid feel and a mechanical integrity that screamed relaibility.It is my thought that many would still be in use if not fo the fact that they pre-dated VHS- Hi-Fi which enabled the "Home Theater" to take hold (mono audio).
Being that expensive only a select few could purchase them so it was mostly a "fringe" technology for the elite.The companies knowing they were on to something that if marketed right would be a cash cow began the "add features/shave cost" phase of the design (once the format wars were over anyway
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).Second and third generation machines were smaller and lighter but still retained that "high end gear" feel due to the build quality.As the technology began to shake out and the big players knew what direction it was taking in came the mass production all-in-one chips,the cheasy mechanisms that would eat your tapes,the low profile front loading casing that would allow stacking with other componants for WAF and living room integration.Plus added features no one ever needed .
What was once a platform that not only could be depended on to last reliably for 20+ years,that had audio level meters and volume attenuators for making high quality audio recordings (spelled death to open reel in the home),that had user controls for every aspect of the transport now was an easily integrated small black box with all controls in a hand held remote.
The cost savings from removing ACTUAL features and hardware replaced by VIRTUAL features no one used or could figure out all in a chip controlled from a hand held remote allowed the technology to be within the reach of anyone that could afford to own a TV.
This began a decades long process where not only did the cost continue to fall (along with quality hence the days of the warranty are no more) but allowed for the creation then expansion of the Video Store and in home surround sound Home theater.Without the VCR there would have been no Blockbuster.Unlike music where you buy the software and play your favorites many times you may watch a movie only one time so the cost vs. value to consumer not good.Especially since the early tapes went for $50-$70 !!!!!
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This low cost "movies at home" is now a stable worldwide.So went the CD.So went the DVD.Maybe hi-res digital though the future does not look bright considering the length of time it has tried and failed to enter the average home.
Being somewhat a witness to audio and video trends and also being one that payed attention to those trends the timeline goes somethong like this :

QAURAPHONICS :

1-Good idea in theory bad in athe actual implementation.They never figured out if they wanted it to be a "gimmick",a special efect or the attempt to recreate the live performance.

2-Format wars.CBS SQ Matrix,Sansui QS Matrix,Electro Voice "Universal Matrix",Hafler "passive" matrix.All semi compatible,all very confusing to the consumer.To make matters worse we also had "Discrete Quadraphonics" competing with "Matrixed Quadraphonics" and more confusion added to the consumer who does not want to THINK but DO !

3-The "Tate" steering logic is added to the matrixed formats to increase the apparent effect.

4-Format wars continue and the public loses interest.Bye bye.

AMBIENCE RECOVERY AND SIMULATION :

Convinced that multichannel audio is the way of the future companies begin research into "Venue Acoustics" and the attempt to recreate the concert hall in the home by adding a rear channel delayed electronically to portray the distance to the back wall (or lack of) of the live event venue.
Realising that stray "out of phase" (left minuas right) information was being recorded along with the "in phase" (left and right) information a simple L-R "difference amp" could be extracted (see Hafler Dynaquad from above
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) then electronically delayed by a specific amount to recreate the size of the original event.If the back wall of the concert hall was fifty feet away then just add 50ms of delay to the L-R rear channel to recreate the original right ? Well not exactly....................
There is no SINGULAR reflective surface in a concert hall but MANY paths where the sound is bouncing around,being attenuated,phasing changing,some signals being reinforced by the walls/ceiling,etc. so a single delay path would be no more than a gimmicky sound.it would in reality be "reverb" and not "ambience" so two addtional speakers would not cut it.

It was also realised that high frequency attenuation takes place and that more extreme as the acoustic path lengthened so some high frequencty limits need to be imposed or the rear channel would be heard not as a diffuse ambient field but as a distinct sound source competing with the left and right main channels.That was the weak spot of the original Hafler Dynaquad.Having no ability to get the speakers far enough away for the delay effect and having no upper frequency cut-off they not only competed directly with the front channels but usually being closer to the seated position would be the first sound heard so taking precedent !

Acoustic Research (AR) along with several other interested parties around Cambridge Mass. went about creating a "Travelling Ambience Extraction Demo System" that consisted of 16 channels with each level further from the listener having more electronic delay but less high end.The speakers were mounted high up rather than at ear level and aimed at each other across the room rather than at the listener so in effect not a direct but an indirect sound,as it should be with any enhancement which should NEVER be the dominate sound.
It worked and it worked exceedingly well but this was an excercise to push technology and understanding but no way would the industry ever be able to convince the consumer to add another 14 speakers and 14 more amp channels driven by 14 delay devices in a living room setting for a "gimmick" that only appealed to the audiophile and scientist no matter how good the end result.
A company named Audiopulse whittled the system down to only 2 additional channels by using a "Digital Delay Line" for the overall distance delay then adding "taps" at preselected intervals along that delay then mixing them together at the output plus "crossfeeding" the left and right delays to simulate the original 16 discrete channels of the all out AR system.It worked and well but at $1200 (around $3500 in 2005 dollars) and had fairly complicated but limited controls.Not for the masses so a Model 2 was introduced.This unit was slightly less complex,simplified the control structure and added the rear channel amp internally so one less thing to purchase and all for this $500 !
It sold fairly well (I still have mine
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),well enough that others took notice and introduced their own versions so an niche industry was born right ?
Again wrong.
This technology only worked with live recordings (and very well i can say from experience) so next up was the "Ambience Simulator" !!!!
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This was an attempt to make the dry studio recording sound like a live recording and from my perspective doomed from the start (as it is still to this day).Adding something artificial to music that was never there just does not work but they do try and this particular attempt was a play off the "Ambience Extraction device" and was created by taking the delayed signal of the above device and feeding it back to the input of the other channel.Rather than delaying the natural L-R signal being picked up accidently by a live microphone this new device was taking a L+R mono signal,delaying it,feeding it to the other channel after some phase manipulation and then feeding THIS to the rear speakers !
No better than the spring reverb of the fifties but hey,this is audio and a sucker is born every minute so they gave it a shot anyway.
Once this was grabbed onto by a large amount of manufacturers we had Ambience Extraction Devices,Ambience Simulation Devices,Combination Devices and consumer confusion.How the hell would joe nameless know the difference and not knowing the difference how would he adjust it for natural sound ?
The entire format ttook the hit and slid from view even though backed by some serious companies (Audiopulse,AR,Yamaha,Advent,Sony,ADS,KOSS and many many more).
Again format wars raised its ugly head and again the consumer lost interest there being no defacto standard.We like to sit on the sidelines while it gets sorted so we do not get stuck with a Betamax while the industry goes with VHS
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SURROUND SOUND :

A brilliant marketing job mated to the early pioneering concepts mentioned above.Instead of keeping this in the music domain where only the audiphile nut jobs take notice this was aimed squarely at the living room and movie viewing ! Who in the house does not watch a movie ? What wife would bitch about the addtional channels being added when the end result is bringing the movie theater experience into the home ?
Who could justify NOT buying in when "all you need is a crappy set of "anyspeakers" and another amp and you too can receate the movies in your home"
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The combination of the VCR format wars ending (with the inferior technology winning due to default of having stereo first !) and Hi-Fi VHS arriving this was a natural matchup.
Take the original Hafler Dynaquad matrix and add the Audiopulse Digital Delay extraction method and you have Dolby Surround !
The only thing not taken from the earlier methods is the Center Channel but this was directly taken from the movie theater !
Since the early thirties all theaters were three channel systems with a left,a right and a center channel.
All Dolby Surround did was add the rear "Delayed Dynaquad" channels to the original three channel theater set up and we have a new (old) medium.
The idea brilliant,the intended target consumer brilliant but that alone is not what made it go.What allowed Dolby to become the standard is there was NO format war !
No competing methods meant evey surround recording was made to a single standard as were all decoders.No longer did the consumer need to choose between competing formats but only competing manufacturers and as competition grew the prices (and quality in many cases as is witnessed by "surround sound in a box" systems) dropped and the semiconductor manufacturers wheedled the multiple circuits down into a single LSI chip again reducing manufacturing/consumer cost.Standards mean large scale manufacturing and competition which always equates to reduced cost and accessability.Nothiong is successful until it is commonplace and attainable by the average non-technical/non-audiophile person.

As was the CD player.As was the DVD player.

Until there was ONE standard for each the technolgy was stalled and could not get a toe hold.Having hi-res format wars and for so long says to me the outlook is bleak for any standard now and in fact I fully expect this to remain a fringe technology that will have its followers and those who will preach the merits but until the mid level or average consumer has a product they can purchase,one that offers something in return for the addtional cost as did surround sound,will be mostly ignored in the mainstream
The winner does not have to be the BEST alternative as Betamax and Redbook CD have proved but just a standard.Any standard so the major companies can get to mass production and lower cost rather than trying to impress audio review magazines or trade show reporters.
Things that have absolutely nothing to do with the average citizen who could not give a crap what Stereophile recommends.Could not care less what impressed at the last CES.They have no use for techno babble or feature laden add copy but want to know the bottom line ;

"so what does it do,how do I work it and how much does it cost"

I don't see a market for something that only aims for the elite user.Multichannel is nothing-they already have surround sound.Being a disc is nothing.We already have a CD player or DVD player.The added "supposed" sonic quality is meaningless when the average consumer thinks the MP3 is the full equal to the CD because at their level of system sophistication it IS !
Not willing to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$ on an entire system upgrade just to enjoy the benefits means the new formats will most likely go the way of Quadraphonics,maybe to be resurrected down the road as another thing as in the Dolby Surround example.

Just my opinion but history is a good teacher and usually dead on when it comes contemplating the future and probabilities.
Read the past-see the future
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Sep 16, 2005 at 4:48 PM Post #38 of 115
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Rick, I said it before and I'll say it again: I really enjoyed reading your post!


thanks man.nice to know someone actually reads my posts and gets something from them
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Are you sure you're not a writer or a columnist of some sort?


Heh.Construction worker.I like to get physical and swinging a hammer has a way of getting the kinks out.
Besides.I would drive a proof reader nuts when they tried in vain to correct my spelling and grammer errors !

I can see it now : Former professional at the top of their game doing the "Thorazine shuffle" at the Arkham Asylum 'cause the rickmonster drove them insane with his rambling style of error laden discourse .
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Arrrrgggghhhhhh ! I Run away ! Run away Quick ! Never look back ! Not safe !


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Sep 16, 2005 at 5:30 PM Post #40 of 115
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Wow Rick that was very informative!


This part ?


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Construction worker.I like to get physical and swinging a hammer has a way of getting the kinks out.



Just kidding zanther but no way could I resist the opening
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Sep 16, 2005 at 5:46 PM Post #41 of 115
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Originally Posted by rickcr42
This part ?





Just kidding zanther but no way could I resist the opening
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Hahahah, too funny
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Sep 16, 2005 at 6:35 PM Post #42 of 115
Multi-channel music is inevitable. SACD and DVD-A won't be the formats that deliver it, though.

For those who oppose multi-channel for whatever reason (still a mystery to me, but I'm sure there were people who cried foul when stereo was introduced, I mean what's wrong with good ol' mono?), there will always be a two-channel mix of all music for us to enjoy unless headphones, portable radios/digital music players go the way of the dinosaur and I don't foresee that in my lifetime, anyway. A two-channel mix for those applications will always have to exist.

And if it takes multi-channel to be the hook that finally gets people to adopt whatever new hi-rez format of the future, what's wrong with that? Two-channel folks will still get a hi-rez stereo version piggy-backed on top of it for free. Sounds like a good deal to me, everyone is happy.

Stereo folks who long for a hi-rez digital format that beats CD should pray for the rapid adoption of multi-channel music in the car and the home, it's the only way we'll get something better than 16-bits. SACD and DVD-A have proven that hi-rez sound quality alone will not sell a new format, and that's sad, but what can you do?

Go go "gimmicky" multi-channel!
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Sep 16, 2005 at 7:43 PM Post #43 of 115
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For those who oppose multi-channel for whatever reason (still a mystery to me, but I'm sure there were people who cried foul when stereo was introduced, I mean what's wrong with good ol' mono?), there will always be a two-channel mix of all music for us to enjoy unless headphones, portable radios/digital music players go the way of the dinosaur and I don't foresee that in my lifetime, anyway. A two-channel mix for those applications will always have to exist.


I doubt there is a member of head-fi that does not have a multi-channel surround sound system somewhere in their home whether in the main TV room or at their computer but that does not mean they will buy into multi-channel music which is mostly a dismal affair.
Doing a CES demo with the best equipment and software selcted specifically to showcase the medium has absolutely no relation to what takes place in the real world of mid-level audio systems and studio mixes where folks have a hard enough time getting two channels right.

From my personal perspective the only valid use of multichannel format home audio reproduction is live recordings using the same exact number of microphones as the final format has loudspeakers.Having a known baseline in the playback makes recording for a predetermined end result possible and would allow for a realistic recreation of the "space" in the home.Used as a special effect multichannel music is no ore than a gimmick and no better than the former quadraphonic sound efforts which were all over the map from good to abysmal.Humans may be easy to fool but only some of the people some of the time and never in history all of the people all of the time so adding things not preset in the performance,as in sythesizing a space never in reality,has always been perceived and rightfully so as no more than a gimmick.A gimmick that when a "new thing" is exiting by the nature of its newness but over time when the novelty wears off relagated to "also ran" status.
This has been the history of home audio since its inception and the audio graveyard is full of products that attempted to make something from nothing.One to three ,maybe five years of falling sales then Chapter 15 for the smaller operators that tried to cash in.

There is a reason binaural works so well and can be startling when listened to and that is the end use is a known quantity.Knowing exactly how a thing will be played back (in this instance stereo headphones) is the only way to record the actual "space" of an event in a natural manner.Everything else is comprimise.
Where does artificial work ? Theater surround.These on screen events never were an actual live thing so the illusion is one that must be created.The difference is we expect and maybe even want special effects in a movie.We want to be entertained.We do not WANT real or we would just watch the news in monophonic sound.
"Larger than life" works on the big screen because it is escapism and not reality based.when the camera stops rolling the "dead" rise up and grab lunch !
Accuracy in reproduction is the goal of an audio specific system so any attempts at artificial signal manipulation looked at for the reality of what they are.I also find it a bit comical that so called "audiophiles" who run away from any manipulation of the signal at their end (tone controls,filters,crossfeed mechanisms) have no problem at all with adding something in that is a totally artificial event having nothing to do with reality while the former only "tweaks" what is already there.Seems to me that is giving to much control to others who may or may not have a clue as to what my personal prefernces and audio sensibilities may be.

Multichannel audio should be reserved solely for the recreation and recording of an actual live event or at best as an enhancement to the "one take" studio performance but never never ever to the multitrack dubbed music track.Giving the engineers another toy to play with means they will and most don't know what to do with "all those pretty knobs" they already have
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personal opinion of course but if hi-res multichannel was ever going to go mainstream it already would have and history proves the public loses interest over time when those trying to push the new can not themselves get thier crap together and provide a united front with a cohesive argument for why you "need this now".
Multichannel audio ? I would be happy with two well recorded channels though will not be holding my breath waiting for that either............
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Sep 16, 2005 at 8:50 PM Post #44 of 115
Last night we went to go see Batman Begins in our local IMAX theater. It was *unbelievable*
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Forget about the incredible picture quality, it was the sound system that really blew us all away. I barely ever go to movies anymore since getting my own home theater set-up, and I know the movies are hurting for that very reason (among others).

After the movie we were all enthusing about it and I said I thought if all movie theaters converted to a system equivalent to what we just experienced, it would single-handedly save the movies by giving people a reason to go back to the theater, make it worth their $10, and offer them something they couldn't get anywhere else. But then some others said that there would be no reason to see a movie like Million Dollar Baby like that, and I have to agree, it wouldn't necessarily enhance a movie like that as much as Batman Begins.

I see multi-channel the same way. There are certain artists whose work just screams out for a multi-channel treatment, and others who would barely benefit. Personally, I often enjoy music with complicated mixes, lots of objects moving around in space, voices and instruments appearing out of thin air here and there. Music that's consciously not trying to create a "realistic" presentation, but exists in a sort of musical hyperspace, where no rules apply, a world of its own. I don't see any problem with taking stuff like that and instead of being limited to moving elements along in a plane if front of me, expanding the possibilities to have elements move around over my head, behind me, and on all sides. I like multi-channel music in general of what I've heard in my own system. If it's too much, or badly done, I can always revert to the simpler 2-channel mix, no harm done.

Is it appropriate to do that with a recording of a guy and his guitar? Would that enhance it any way? Probably not.
 
Sep 16, 2005 at 9:29 PM Post #45 of 115
My main system is a A/V setup with multichannel, but not everyone listens to music in the same rig that they listen to movies. Some folks are beginning to move the A/V system to a back bedroom along with the computer, and just have a stereo in the living room. As long as they keep the systems separate like that, multichannel audio isn't going to get far with them.

The way most people listen to music is different than the way they watch movies too... Watching movies is a primary focus, while many people listen to music while they eat dinner or read the newspaper. Having sounds fly all over the room wouldn't really suit that style of listening.

I like multichannel audio, but it isn't the same as stereo was to mono.

See ya
Steve
 

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