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Samsung S10

Discussion in 'Portable Source Gear' started by psikey, Feb 22, 2019.
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  1. bobbooo
    Unfortunately not. No other apps can either, due to Spotify's DRM restrictions. Neutron can however steam from a http server, so I'm currently trying to get a ridiculously convoluted method working where I stream the audio output of my PC while playing Spotify on there, via a virtual sound card and a http server to Neutron. Hasn't worked so far though...
     
  2. UprightMan
    Hi - I have 10+ Snapdragon. Looking to get a dac/amp combo so I can listen to my fostex 900's around the house (away from desk) with Spotify being primary source. Thinking IFI black or Chord mojo... Do either of these work? I can't find a place to test locally and see there are a lot of issues with DACs and this phone... thanks!
     
  3. bobbooo
    With a low impedance and high sensitivity, the Fostex 900 are easily driven to satisfying levels by the S10+, and the DAC in the Snapdragon variant that you have is likely transparent within audible limits, so it's highly doubtful there will be any audible improvement with another DAC/amp.
     
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2019
  4. Wes S
    Not sure I completely agree with this, as I have been experimenting with my S10+ for weeks. The S10+ sounds really good on it's own, but I do believe you can get improvement, with a DAP or dongle.
     
  5. bobbooo
    With what device did you hear an improvement? Do you have the Snapdragon or Exynos S10+? And what is the impedance of the headphones you're using?
     
  6. UprightMan
    Hey all - thanks for chat, but I am simply asking if external dacs will work or not. (not enough volume from phone is point, and without line out I don't want to double amp).

    So - will ifi black, chord mojo, or similar work please?
     
  7. Colors
    Anyone know what DAC the S10E Snapdragon uses? I tried searching around but could not find.

    It’s surprisingly hiss free even with my Andro. Sounds pretty good too.
     
  8. bobbooo
    My XtremPro X1 USB DAC that I use with my laptop works fine with my Snapdragon S10e. Don't have experience with any others though.

    Strange you don't get enough volume on your THX 900s, as they have a decently high sensitivity and low impedance. Actually, the low impedance might be causing the S10 to run in low voltage (0.5Vrms max) mode, so that might be the cause.

    @QuadraKev said the S10 outputs 0.75V into open loads (i.e. the very high input impedance of an external amp) which is close to line level isn't it? So wouldn't that be equivalent to a line-out?
     
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2019
  9. bobbooo
    Ifixit's teardowns showed that all the Snapdragon S10 variants have Qualcomm's excellent Aqstic WCD9341 DAC inside: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/wcd9341

    I'm not surprised you can't hear any hiss - the Snapdragon S10 series' noise floor (measured here) is very low, below the absolute threshold of audibility (-120dB) in fact.
     
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2019
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  10. Colors
    Thanks you’re awesome!
     
  11. CosmoCat
    Hi!
    I'm planning get a S10 or S10+ Exynos version.

    My question is:
    Are they good with UAPP and Hi-res driver?
     
  12. bobbooo
    Not particularly no, as I said earlier in this thread:

    I'd get the Snapdragon variant over the Exynos. The Exynos version has poor audio implementation in comparison, as shown by Anandtech here (bottom of the page): https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/16. The Snapdragon variant is also sightly faster, more efficient (better battery life, stays cooler), and with sightly better camera performance. You also get an FM radio and dual-band GPS as a bonus.

    I'd also personally use Neutron Player over UAPP, as it has a higher quality audio driver and the added bonus of high-quality DSP with a 30-band parametric equalizer.
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2019
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  13. CosmoCat
    Ahh to bad. I live in Sweden and can get the Exynos easy. I will wait for better offers then.
    Thank You for quick reply :)
     
  14. bobbooo
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2019
  15. psikey
    I'm finding the S10 Exynos sounds great with my SE846's. I prefer it with Dolby Atmos enabled.

    Stopped using external DAP and Dragonfly Red.
     
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