READ THIS: Serious flaws in ipod classic

[Buckster]

interestingly ... need more testing ...

but my Sennheiser PX200s sound great (and fairly warm) with the Classic ..

but my PX100s .. sound amazing with some tracks but very weird with others ! Almost like setting those horrible "sound expansion" environment settings you get on some mp3 players ...

not sure why.. perhaps my PX100s are faulty ..perhaps its an impedance thing ?

not sure

 

[bigshot]

Try pressing the headphones into your ears and see if it goes away. If so, it's the way the cans sit on your ears. You might be wearing them pointing into your outer ear instead of your ear canal.

See ya
Steve

 

[Buckster]

thanks bigshot - will try that in the morning (ears a bit tired atm)

one track - Sallys Song on a Nightmare Before Christmas - the female vocals sounded like they were behind me - was bizarre !

 

[jook]

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Originally Posted by Hifivoice /img/forum/go_quote.gif Quote: Originally Posted by jook And the attenuation looks remarkably similar to what was present in previous generations of the iPod but he does not seem to be aware of this. You thought I wasn't aware?

Yes. There is no mention on your page (maybe I missed it?) of the very evident bass attenuation problem in previous generations (most significantly in the 3rd gen and 4th gen, but also evident - although less so, in 5th gen measurements). One would think this is worth comparing to and checking if the other bass attenuation you measured was related to this problem (i.e.: whether the same problem persisted or was re-introduced, or made worse).

Also, seeing how more severe that previous problem was (both in actual measured frequency drop, and also in ear-to-ear perceivability), and that similar complaints have been published on the web and likewise, sent to Apple, and Apple have always ignored them and done nothing about it (because the majority user market - your average Mum and school kid who wears it for fashion and listen to ringtone quality music on it - simply doesn't care), your urge for yet another petition seemed to lack awareness of these previous attempts, and that you needed something a bit more than "these measurements indicate a problem" to be successful in yielding a response, let alone a reaction from Apple.

Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate you posting these measurements, and getting the word out there and striving for an improvement. But there's a bit more to the story that's missing.

 

[bigshot]

There was no problem with bass attentuation through the line out. iPods have remarkably flat response, as the test here indicates. The thin bass was only with mismatched headphones through the headphone out. That has become less of a problem since the 5th generation iPods.

See ya
Steve

 

[Skylab]

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Originally Posted by bigshot /img/forum/go_quote.gif There was no problem with bass attentuation through the line out. iPods have remarkably flat response, as the test here indicates. The thin bass was only with mismatched headphones through the headphone out. That has become less of a problem since the 5th generation iPods. See ya Steve

Indeed, the fact that the line outs were so good from the iPod is one reason that there has been an explosion in portable headphone amps.

 

[Buckster]

ok after a days use at work .. my feelings are mixed - and I'm still considering whether to send it back and get a 5.5G ..

(1) Bugs ... annoying and I hope they get fixed - some films I've encoded won't skip past certain chapters, unless I use the fastfoward then do it ...


(2) speed of GUI is fine in my opinion - not laggy at all - but seems very difficult with pad to select one item down or up .. IPOD only about 1/3 full though

(3) SQ - rather mixed here ... after extended listening - sounds very good - but a bit too bright in my opinion - it doesn't sound thin - the top tend is just too extended (and I'm ignoring the 0.1dB charts here ..). In fact A to B comparison with my Sony player and its brighter than that ... and Sonys are very bright ... Bottom end and mid-range is superb though - almost like listening to a standalone CD player. The top end being bright makes for fatiguing listening.. and seems to bring out certain intruments that shouldn't be brought out any more than others ... There is an EQ setting that is reduced treble - which sounds almost great - but too warm... if only there was an intermediate setting between this and flat - and I think the Classic would sound quite special ...

My PX200s are a bit warmer sounding than my PX100s so that helps the IPOD a bit- but still sounds bright.

so overall a bit good and bad really ... but the fatiguing sound is a bit annoying and may be a reason I return it.


Mark.

 

[MrFaust]

the biggest flaw I have found, Cover Flow sucks when it comes to Various Artist cds. Hopefully they will fix this issue soon.

 

[markopolo]

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Originally Posted by Buckster /img/forum/go_quote.gif (3) SQ - rather mixed here ... after extended listening - sounds very good - but a bit too bright in my opinion - it doesn't sound thin - the top tend is just too extended (and I'm ignoring the 0.1dB charts here ..). so overall a bit good and bad really ... but the fatiguing sound is a bit annoying and may be a reason I return it.

x2. The Classic is most definitely brighter than my 5G--not even by a close margin. It is borderline grating at times with any EQ setting that boosts that end of the spectrum. Unless your phones of choice are sufficient to counter, if you have an aversion to extra sparkly brilliance or are otherwise a creature of the dark, run far away (or at least hang on to your 5G for now). Just my 2 cents.

 

[YoungClayB]

This thread is fatiguing.

 

[Chu]

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Originally Posted by bigshot /img/forum/go_quote.gif And here is a test tone showing what 15kHz sounds like... http://ia301124.us.archive.org/0/ite...z_audacity.wav (Adjust your volume carefully before clicking. This can hurt if it's too loud.)

"meh, I listen to my headphones pretty quietly at the computer"

:click:

 

[lustaficko]

Ouch! That's one high pitched sound!

 

[bigshot]

If the iPod sounds too bright, try using a headphone amp through the lineout. It might be an impedence mismatch. The frequency response of the 6G is stone flat. That means that it's either the music, or the headphones. Either way, equalization would correct it.

See ya
Steve

 

[mirumu]

The Classic may be brighter than the earlier models but looking at the graphs it's still not what I'd consider artificially bright in an audible way, it's essentially a flat response and you can't get much better than that. My ears don't hear it as being any brighter when compared with other decent non-ipod sources either. I think some are just used to devices with more treble roll off. Nothing wrong with that of course if that's what you like but if the 6G is referred to as bright then people may buy it expecting it to actually be bright and to me it certainly isn't.

 

[Skylab]

I agree 100% mirumu.