[m0ofassa]

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Originally Posted by milkweg /img/forum/go_quote.gif So does all Metal! Both genres are equally obnoxious and annoying.

what about neoclassical speed metal (eg Cacophony)?

or flamenco metal? (see: flametal)

 

[milkweg]

Shhh, I can't wind him up if you interfere.

 

[Jasper994]

LOL classic... The guy with the name metalhead666 starts a thread about hating rap...

I'm in the middle. Most of the new stuff is pretty terrible, but there are some real gems out there, many old, some new(ish).

 

[Taikero]

The only rap I really enjoy is stuff in the vein of artists like Immortal Technique. Relevant lyrics that make no bones about telling you what's up.

However, hip-hop/rap have taken a sharp downward swing lately. Even my friends who LOVE this sort of music have been mentioning that fewer and fewer really good songs (to them) are being released each year.

Basically, we went from Nate Dogg (a great supporting rapper) to Lil' Jon ("Yeeeeahhhh..!!!!!"). What the hell. (Please note my comparison is only about contrasting differences. If you like/dislike either of the above two names mentioned, I don't care.)

 

[uraflit]

wheres pac when you need him, lol

 

[milkweg]

It's time for rap to take a back seat no matter if it is good or not. It's only been around for about 25 years now. Time for some new music to take the front seat. What I don't like about rap is not the music so much but the mentality that goes along with it.

 

[sahwnfras]

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Originally Posted by Taikero /img/forum/go_quote.gif The only rap I really enjoy is stuff in the vein of artists like Immortal Technique. Relevant lyrics that make no bones about telling you what's up.

Alot of people always say this, but he really has a terrible flow and crap production. I find him hard to listen to and really get into and enjoy. If you really want to know 'what's up' then read a book, but i like to enjoy my music.

 

[iriverdude]

Can't stand rap either. Press a melody button a £30 keyboard and away you go...

 

[mbd2884]

I won't go as far as and say all rap or hip hop sucks.

But will say the following have no talent, orgininality, skill and just downright embarrassment to all musicians, musical artists.

Puff Daddy (Dumbass Name), Jay Z (Dumbass name again), Timbaland (Dumbass name again and most overrated producer), 50 Cent (Dumbass Name), Snoop Dog (Dumbass name again! With worst nasally high pitched voice, gross!), and plenty others.
- What I don't get most are their lyrics. The content and vocabulary is so poor, its as if they take pride in being dumbasses.

Would have to say among all the music I listened to, the above sicken and piss me off the most. I'd rather listen to Britney Spears, Ashley Simpson can't do it, she needs to be banned from all recording studios and concert venues.

Some Hip Hop I do like are collaborations with BT. Kimosabe and The Revolution off of the Emotional Technology Bonus Disc are fun to listen to, probably because I just like BT

 

[sahwnfras]

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Originally Posted by mbd2884 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I won't go as far as and say all rap or hip hop sucks. But will say the following have no talent, orgininality, skill and just downright embarrassment to all musicians, musical artists. Puff Daddy (Dumbass Name), Jay Z (Dumbass name again), Timbaland (Dumbass name again and most overrated producer), 50 Cent (Dumbass Name), Snoop Dog (Dumbass name again! With worst nasally high pitched voice, gross!), and plenty others. - What I don't get most are their lyrics. The content and vocabulary is so poor, its as if they take pride in being dumbasses. Would have to say among all the music I listened to, the above sicken and piss me off the most. I'd rather listen to Britney Spears, Ashley Simpson can't do it, she needs to be banned from all recording studios and concert venues. Some Hip Hop I do like are collaborations with BT. Kimosabe and The Revolution off of the Emotional Technology Bonus Disc are fun to listen to, probably because I just like BT

Are you serious with this post.

You know what The Beatles - what a stupid names there bugs, Rolling Stones - what kind of stones make music, the clash - clash this, and so on.

mbd - your not allowed to talk anymore

 

[928GTS]

Most of the good rap isn't in English...

 

[chinesekiwi]

***** it, time to listen to some of Jay-Z 'Black Album' (great album, mainstream or not and is actually quite an audiophile-standard album production wise) followed by some Metallica then maybe some MJ and Sigur Ros

Honestly, whoever judges music based on stereotypes, no matter what genre, is idiotic and ignorant and misses out so much on the richness of that genre.

Hip-hop is definitely one, if you delve into the history and meaning of it, one of the most interesting socially, of any music genre.

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What I don't get most are their lyrics. The content and vocabulary is so poor, its as if they take pride in being dumbasses.

*facepalm*

really....

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Papoose - Alphabetical Slaughter [DJ KaySlay] Aiyo it's DJ KaySlay the Drama King And for those of y'all that don't know I'm workin with a new artist, he goes by the name of Papoose And for those of y'all that didn't finish school Check this out, it's all good I'ma run y'all through this little, Thug-A-Cation right now And what we gon do, is we gon scream out the letters in the alphabet And every letter you hear screamed out, from A to Z My man Papoose gon break it down for you So what you do, is get your pens, your pads, and take notes Yo Papoose, let's go! [Papoose] (A!) Alert, assassins at large allegedly Automatic artillery, angrily aimed and aggressively Accurate AK's angled all ways Adversary afraid as active ammunition abraise Accumulated an alias after arrested Accompanied armed accessory, as an adolescent (B!) Bridge Benz brolic burner bringing brothers Betrayer's bodies briefly be body banged bleeding brothers Blades blasting brave bashing Brooklyn bullet busters Big biscuits barrels blazing be hating bitch boasts and bluffers Borough barricaders beat bringers brutally blast Bringin blood baths (C!) cover cowards corners collecting cash Confirmed convicts committing crimes clapping cats Creeping cashiers causing characters comas, capping crabs Chaos causing, clearly commanding Cee-Lo Cocaine capsule caps colored, capturing customer's C-Notes Confiscating combination, counting cream capulating Cocking calibur chromes creating casualties compensating (D!) Domination devoted dealer devastating Determination demonstrating, devine dedication Debating drug deals, demanding dough distributed Definitely dividing double-digit dollar dividends Drama declaring demolishing domain dozer Directing dumb-dumbs doing dummies dirty disarming Dojos (E!) Estimating earnings enlarged and economically Equally educating each exercising equality Eliminating, expiring enemies eradicating Erasing evidence every element evacuating (F!) Fake fraud faggots fronting for fame fleeing from flames Firing full-fledged four-fours forcing flesh from frames Fortune fanatic, follow formats for funds faithfully **** five felonies, furiously fighting for freedom fatally Frigidy, frantic fighting FEDS feeling fearful Finacially fortunate, flipping figures from fifty-fifty (G!) Gambles gathering grants, grabbing gauges, gangsta ganks geeks Getting green, Guess garments gleaming, greatly gaining G's Ghetto genius, genuine gestures gracefully guide Government generals gradually generating genocide (H!) Head hoodlum, hitting heads heavenly, hypnotizing Hire hitmen harnessly, holding heaters, hospitalizing High holding hammers hectically hitting herbs, homiciding Helicopter hijacking holding hostages, horrifying (I!) Intellectually infinite imperial idol infamous Inhale the Izm, injecting intelligence in ignorance (J!) Jungle jump juggler, jaw-jabbing jeopardizer Jacking jewelry jingles, jackknife jigging jittery jivers (K!) Konnivers, knowledge key, keep a king, keep a kingdom KKK killing, keenly keeping kosher (L!) Living legitimate, legal license, Lex' lasting longevity Luxury life, language lacing lyrical legacy Lighting L's, loudly lounging living large like Luther Loading long Lugers lethally lullabying losers (M!) Maneuvers, made miraculously, microphone majesty Music messiah mastered money making mathematically (N!) Naturally negative, Notorious, Naughty Nature Nasty New York nigga narcotic negotiator (O!) Observator, oppression obstructing originator Organized official officer oxen operator (P!) Plot participator, plan powder pushing premeditated Po-Po partners patrolin preventing payment Prosecuting penny pinchers, prison penalty permanent placement Packing powerful pistols punk plea and player's playing pavement (Q!) Quote – "Queen's qualifyed quantity quality" (R!) Rulers rule righteously rightfully royal rapology Real revolutionaries rather regulate rivalry Rampantly raising raiders rampagin relentless rivalry (S!) Semi-sub, snub slugs sniping sharp shooter Smacking soldiers silly severely shanking stupid (T!) troopers Terrorizing, terrible thorough thug terrifying Toting two tecs, taking territories thoroughly thriving (U!) Unifying ultimately uplifting uncivilized Unique understanding universally utilized (V!) Visualize vocab victoriously vocalized Versatile vice-versa verbals viciously victimize (W!) Wise willy witty wisdom waging wars wisely (X!) X-Con (Y!) yapping y'all yearningly (Z!) zig-zag Z! [DJ KaySlay] Hold on hold on My nigga Papoose just took y'all, through the whole alphabet A to Z, now we bout to flip it backwards, Z to A Yo Papoose, get at these niggaz man, let's go! [Papoose] (Z!) Zig-zag zigs involved weighing Zambian Zaires Zodiac zone and Zulu's, Zion's zap a zillion zillionaires (Y!) Yo you yeah, yesterday's youth yearning your yen You yellow-bellied Yankee ying-yang yelling "yes"-men (X!) X-rated, ex-African, X-Man Ex-leaders, ex-Clarence, X-Malcolm, X-Clan (W!) We want war, World War, world-wide warning Walking with weapons we wacking walkie-talkie wearing wardens We with whatever, want what whyling wherever war went Warlock, warpath, warfare, warriors and Warren's – wait, what, why? [DJ KaySlay] Hold up hold up, yo I'm just playing Yo chill, yo chill chill chill man, chill man We gon save that for your album, Thug-A-Cation Papoose, coming soon A&R's, holla at me now, or suffer later

Or for a more mianstream artist:

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Eminem - Who Knew I never knew I.. I never knew I.. Mic check one-two I never knew I.. Who woulda knew? I never knew I.. Who'da known? I never knew I.. ***** what a story I never knew I.. Mother*****er comes out I never knew I.. and sells a couple of million records I never knew I.. And these mother*****ers hit the ceiling I never knew I.. [Eminem] I don't do black music, I don't do white music I make fight music, for high school kids I put lives at risk when I drive like this {*tires screech*} I put wives at risk with a knife like this (AHHH!!) crap, you probably think I'm in your tape deck now I'm in the back seat of your truck, with duct tape stretched out Ducked the **** way down, waitin to straight jump out put it over your mouth, and grab you by the face, what now? Oh - you want me to watch my mouth, how? Take my *****n eyeballs out, and turn em around? Look - I'll burn your *****n house down, circle around and hit the hydrant, so you can't put your burning furniture out (Oh my God! Oh my God!) I'm sorry, there must be a mix-up You want me to fix up lyrics while the President gets his dick sucked? {*ewwww*} ***** that, take drugs, rape sluts Make fun of gay clubs, men who wear make-up Get aware, wake up, get a sense of humor Quit tryin to censor music, this is for your kid's amusement (The kids!) But don't blame me when lil' Eric jumps off of the terrace You shoulda been watchin him - apparently you ain't parents Chorus: Eminem Cause I never knew I, knew I would get this big I never knew I, knew I'd affect this kid I never knew I'd, get him to slit his wrist I never knew I'd, get him to hit this bitch I never knew I, knew I would get this big I never knew I, knew I'd affect this kid I never knew I'd, get him to slit his wrist I never knew I'd, get him to hit this bitch [Eminem] So who's bringin the guns in this country? (Hmm?) I couldn't sneak a plastic pellet gun through customs over in London And last week, I seen a Schwarzenegger movie where he's shootin all sorts of these mother****ers with a uzi I sees three little kids, up in the front row, screamin "Go," with their 17-year-old Uncle I'm like, "Guidance - ain't they got the same moms and dads who got mad when I asked if they liked violence?" And told me that my tape taught 'em to swear What about the make-up you allow your 12-year-old daughter to wear? (Hmm?) So tell me that your son doesn't know any cuss words when his bus driver's screamin at him, *****n him up worse ("Go sit the ***** down, you little *****n prick!") And **** was the first word I ever learned up in the third grade, flippin the gym teacher the bird (Look!) So read up, about how I used to get beat up peed on, be on free lunch, and change school every 3 months My life's like kinda what my wife's like (what?) ******* up after I beat her *****n ass every night, Ike So how much easier would life be if 19 million mother*****ers grew to be just like me? Chorus [Eminem] I never knew I.. knew I'd.. have a new house or a new car A couple years ago I was more poorer than you are I don't got that bad of a mouth, do I? ***** crap ass b*tch c*nt, shooby-de-doo-wop (whoops!) Skibbedy-be-bop, a-Christopher Reeves Sonny Bono, skis horses and hittin some trees (HEY!) How many retards'll listen to me and run up in the school shootin when they're pissed at a teach -er, her, him, is it you is it them? "Wasn't me, Slim Shady said to do it again!" Damn! How much damage can you do with a pen? Man I'm just as ******* up as you woulda been if you woulda been, in my shoes, who woulda thought Slim Shady would be somethin that you woulda bought that woulda made you get a gun and shoot at a cop I just said it - I ain't know if you'd do it or not Chorus [Eminem] How the ***** was I supposed to know?

And when a Nobel prize winning poet praises Eminem....

Nobel poet proclaims his respect for Eminem's 'verbal energy' - Media, News - The Independent

Honestly, you're digging yourself a hole with that ignorance of yours. I listen to all genres.
Also, anyone who views Eminem's lyrics with an English academic sort of view will realised the amount of complexity in Eminem's lyrics. My former English teacher, who was female, appreciated Eminem and his clever lyrics and in fact, used it in high school English.
And no, I don't dress like a homie either.
In fact, most people that I know of who appreciate good rap are run-of-the-mill everyday middle-class white people.
If you haven't noticed already, I'm Chinese. And yes, I know of Jin. And yes, his studio albums are a joke but his freestyle = good and no, I'm not a 'Gangsta Asian'.

 

[chinesekiwi]

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Originally Posted by 928GTS /img/forum/go_quote.gif Most of the good rap isn't in English...

what?......

 

[Calexico]

Yeah seriously. While I don't like any of those rappers listed, to judge them based on names is judging them on the most superficial level possible.

Also, chinesekiwi, when was Alphabetical Slaughter recorded/released? Blackalicious has a rap with the same exact concept. They were both released in 1999 according to Wiki, but I don't know what dates.

BUCK 65 - SQUARE ONE LYRICS
This is the best rap song I've ever heard.
[size=xx-small]"I know a man who was born with his heart on the outside
Every mans worst fear he also had heavy hands
He couldn’t touch his lovers face
He couldn’t hold a baby
He would never desert them
But he was worried he would hurt them maybe
Mad at the world his face turned hot pink
The best he could do was just try to not think
But he was to bothered
So he would only try rarely
He read the last page of every book in the library
He lacked the charisma
Of a true revolutionary crime fighter
Would try to write but kept breaking his typewriter
He preaches manifesto militant radical
Was diligent but his greatest mistakes were gramatical
If he only spent more time rehearsing and preparing
There wouldn’t have to be so much cursing and swearing
Eyes on fire
His volume was blistering
No one had taught him about the power of whispering
He is dynamite
Blows kisses
Eats dirt
His mouth of a volcano
He is a t-shirt
He stands on stilts
But doesn’t stand for funny stuff
Ask me
He just hasn’t been around the sun enough
He paints self-portraits
With a roller
Only eats corn
And then tries to sell his own soul
On a street corner
He always remembers everyone’s numbers
And sometimes cries into his own cumbersome hands"[/size]

 

[wobzerM]

Rap and pop music are terrible, but there is some really good hip-hop out there.