Let the gaslighting begin.
Why do you have to begin the gaslighting again, it’s just trolling!
There is no difference, especially when you hear a massive difference.
The first part of that sentence is a lie that you just endlessly repeat and the second part; if you hear “
a massive difference” then it should be trivially easy to demonstrate that fact in a controlled listening test and if you can’t, that too is a lie.
Subjective hearing experiences only apply to the other side.
Correct and when you work out what “
the other side” is, then you won’t make such a fool of yourself. Here’s a hint: The “
other side” (as any rational adult should be able to work out) is us, human beings. It is not DACs, amps, cables and other audio components, which cannot have any “
subjective hearing experiences”, hence why “
subjective hearing experiences” are not included in measurements of these components!
So you should stop telling other people what they are or aren't hearing.
Science discovered what sound is hundreds of years ago and that sound is what people are hearing, it also discovered the thresholds of human hearing a century and more ago and therefore what people cannot hear. So according to you, we should “
stop telling other people” what science has proved in a science discussion forum. What do you think would be acceptable to tell other people in a science discussion forum, if not the proven science? Do you have any shred of sanity?
But let’s not pretend it’s anything more than a refuge for those who’d rather preach to the choir than engage with reality.
Sure, science doesn’t engage with reality, which is obviously why digital audio and DACs don’t exist in reality. Thanks for your expertise!
The average person untrained in music cannot reliably distinguish one chord from another—let alone subtle nuances in sound.
Sure, the average untrained person cannot distinguish one chord from another; so all chords must sound the same to them, they cannot perceive chord progressions and harmony is something only trained musicians can perceive. How much ridiculous nonsense can one person think up?
This underscores why generalized studies on human hearing thresholds are irrelevant when assessing the capabilities of trained musicians or seasoned audiophiles.
So, either you’re asserting that of the millions of people who’ve had their hearing tested over the last 140 years or so, not one of them was a trained musician or an audiophile (and therefore the ascertained human hearing thresholds do not include these people) or you’re asserting that trained musicians and audiophiles are not human (and therefore are not subject to human hearing thresholds)? Which is it?
Decades of deliberate listening and technical practice hone auditory perception to extraordinary levels. For professionals in music and sound, this expertise is not incidental—it is the result of rigorous, intentional development. To dismiss such cultivated skill is akin to disregarding the mastery of a concert pianist or the precision of a symphonic conductor.
And again, you just cannot grasp even the most fundamental basics! Professional musicians and and sound engineers spend years “
honing their auditory perception”, their listening skills, in classes unsurprisingly called “Listening Skills” but they spend absolutely no time at all honing their hearing thresholds because hearing thresholds cannot be honed. You really don’t even understand the difference between listening skills and hearing thresholds?
Our field demands specialized acuity, forged through years of dedicated effort. Recognizing this distinction isn’t elitism—it’s acknowledging the reality of expertise. … As a trained Musician and an experienced Audiophile......I trust my ears.
What do you mean “
our fields”, what is your field? You’re obviously NOT a trained musician because a trained musician should know the difference between listening skills and hearing thresholds and they would definitely know that “
the average person untrained in music” can distinguish differences between chords! Why does music contain chord progressions/harmony if the average untrained person couldn’t perceive it, is harmonic music only written/composed for other trained professional musicians to listen to? How would even a beginner musician not know this, let alone a trained/professional musician? You’re lying, you’re not a trained/professional musician, just another amongst all your other lies!
You state “
it’s acknowledging the reality of expertise” but demonstrate the exact opposite, you cannot even recognise, let alone acknowledge expertise! You dismiss and are ignorant of the expertise of both science and engineering, you can’t even answer the most basic questions (such as what DAC stands for or what it does), you clearly don’t know what expertise as a trained musician means and you have no idea of the expertise of those you’re arguing with.
Why all the lies, you’re not a trained/professional musician, you’re arguing with those who are (in fact very highly formally trained) and can therefore spot a bullsh*tter! Is it even possible to be so deluded that you’ll make-up so much BS and so many lies regardless of how obvious? Maybe it’s not just extreme delusion and trolling, maybe you’re continuing to waste your time making-up BS and lies, despite being called out at every turn, because you’re being paid to and the “
our field” to which you referred is being a shill? That’s the only thing that would make any rational sense at this point!
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