Jan 20, 2009 at 5:28 AM Post #316 of 486
So I've just order the Icon Mobile amp in black from Amazon. Will ship tomorrow hopefully. I'm ordering from Canada and hope I won't run into any problems with shipping, customs, etc.

Can't wait to try them out!
 
Jan 20, 2009 at 6:43 AM Post #317 of 486
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Originally Posted by demo1 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
So I've just order the Icon Mobile amp in black from Amazon. Will ship tomorrow hopefully. I'm ordering from Canada and hope I won't run into any problems with shipping, customs, etc.

Can't wait to try them out!



Please report back when you have used it. I'm pretty close to buying myself one though the shipping to New Zealand will take considerably longer.
 
Jan 20, 2009 at 9:18 PM Post #318 of 486
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Please report back when you have used it. I'm pretty close to buying myself one though the shipping to New Zealand will take considerably longer.


Don't mean to dissuade you, but I paid £26.77 (about $40.00) Importy Duty in the UK. NuForce will not mark item as gift with a low value, so you'd better be aware of this.

In total, including shipping charges & import duty, I spent about £175.00 USD
 
Jan 20, 2009 at 11:12 PM Post #319 of 486
FWIW I ordered my black NuForce from Amazon on Saturday the 17th. It shipped out Monday via USPS 1-3 day delivery, although the estimate at Amazon.com gives a delivery date between the 21st and 26th. I'm hopeful that it will show up tomorrow, Thursday or Friday at the latest. The total was $105.90. I will update when I get the unit and continue to do so through the burn in process. Can't wait!
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-sid
 
Jan 20, 2009 at 11:44 PM Post #320 of 486
I had another thought. Has anyone taken this thing apart yet and checked for mods that might improve sound quality? Apparently the D2 benefits greatly from changing it's opamps out for different ones. Is this possible with the Icon Mobile? Any DIYers out there?

-sid
 
Jan 23, 2009 at 12:13 AM Post #321 of 486
Perhaps against my better judgment, I've also ordered one of these, in silver. Thanks to head-fi, I have a few pairs of cans to try them with, from Panasonic HTX-7s to Bose in-ears ( gift! ) and, ultimately, k701s.

I'm also curious if anyone's using these with Shure SCL4s. I used to have the e4s before a little incident with a cab door, and I would consider rebuying them as there's a just stupid good price out there when theyre not backordered at Guitar Center.

So, basically, even though I know there are better amps out there for the 701s, I've never had a dedicated HP amp before. I currently use a vintage Marantz 2218 which is certainly powerful, but also too big for my small home office.

Basically, if the move to a dedicated DAC ( instead of my 2 Macs respective Audio Out ports ) is a noticeable improvement, and the IM has enough juice to compete with the Marantz HP out, and I'll consider the $99 a great bargain.
 
Jan 23, 2009 at 12:58 AM Post #322 of 486
My more modern Marantz CD5001 HP out is better than the Icon Mobile, but the icon mobile is better than the Mac headphone out. I have no idea how it will sound with a K701.
 
Jan 23, 2009 at 1:20 AM Post #323 of 486
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My more modern Marantz CD5001 HP out is better than the Icon Mobile, but the icon mobile is better than the Mac headphone out. I have no idea how it will sound with a K701.


Yeah, neither do I, and its been impossible to form an opinion just reading, so I figured I would just give them a try.

One thing worth mentioning is that this not a completely blind purchase. I've heard my 701s with the desktop Icon briefly and was impressed. At the same time, I've never heard a truly high end HP amp, and I'm not sure I want to, really.

If you handed me $1,000 to improve my headphones, I'd probably buy speakers.
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Jan 23, 2009 at 2:39 AM Post #324 of 486
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Yeah, neither do I, and its been impossible to form an opinion just reading, so I figured I would just give them a try.

One thing worth mentioning is that this not a completely blind purchase. I've heard my 701s with the desktop Icon briefly and was impressed. At the same time, I've never heard a truly high end HP amp, and I'm not sure I want to, really.

If you handed me $1,000 to improve my headphones, I'd probably buy speakers.
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Can you do me a favor and report back when you've heard the 701s with the icon mobile? I was about to buy a used pair until I read that they need big time amps to drive properly.
 
Jan 23, 2009 at 4:01 PM Post #325 of 486
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Can you do me a favor and report back when you've heard the 701s with the icon mobile? I was about to buy a used pair until I read that they need big time amps to drive properly.


Nevermind that. Just got mine and can tell you that at full volume on high gain the icon doesn't go as loud as my PA2V2 at halfway.
 
Jan 23, 2009 at 5:45 PM Post #326 of 486
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Nevermind that. Just got mine and can tell you that at full volume on high gain the icon doesn't go as loud as my PA2V2 at halfway.


Interesting. Are you saying its quiet enough that you need to do that to get sufficient volume, or just that it may seem underpowered out of the box?
 
Jan 23, 2009 at 6:02 PM Post #327 of 486
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Originally Posted by music_4321 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Don't mean to dissuade you, but I paid £26.77 (about $40.00) Importy Duty in the UK. NuForce will not mark item as gift with a low value, so you'd better be aware of this.

In total, including shipping charges & import duty, I spent about £175.00 USD



I didn't want to hassle with import duties so I ordered from tweaks4u in the netherlands. not cheap but everything went smooth. recommended.

Concerning the amp, I'm very happy with the purchase. Especially the synergy with my IE8 (icon somewhat bright - IE8 somewhat dark) is great
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Jan 23, 2009 at 8:44 PM Post #328 of 486
I’m the guy who started this thread with a preview look at a NuForce Icon Mobile prototype. I waited till NuForce started shipping the Icon Mobile in black to buy one myself, but I’ve had it now over a month. I thought I’d add a few thoughts to this excellent thread based on many hours of listening to the production version.

I started using portable headphone amplifiers over a decade ago because I found portable CD players (remember them?) unlistenable. In my experience, they even got worse over the years. I went through three generations of Headroom’s AirHead, each noticeably better than the earlier. Meanwhile, ironically it took a computer company to produce portable players with listenable audio. The iPhone 3G with lossless music sounds pretty darn good, a clear advance even over my 5.5G iPod. (I can’t retire my 5.5G any time soon, however, given how little data space for lossless music there is on an iPhone.) But a good headphone amp can still improve even the 3G. I can’t comment on the impressive arsenal of amps HA has tested, only the Total AirHead.

My initial listening suggested that if you put “audio quality” on a linear axis, the Total Airhead would land about half way between an un-amplified iPhone 3G and the Icon Mobile. My assessment has not changed. The Mobile Icon really stands out in terms of clarity and dynamics. I cannot confirm S/N of 98dB and THD+N at 0.054%, but listening makes those claims seem credible. I’m particularly impressed by how clear back-up voices and instruments sound, music that gets lost without the amp. I can hear room echoes that are just not there on the AirHead. On the high-gain setting with max volume and no signal, I can just barely hear the noise floor.

The Icon Mobile also noticeably improved dynamics. Attacks sound crisp but not exaggerated. The naked 3G and the AirHead sound a bit muddy in contrast, especially the naked 3G. But at something like 1/10 the volume and 1/10 the weight of the AirHead (and cheaper than a BitHead), frankly, the Icon Mobile didn’t have beat the AirHead for me to retire the latter. Better sound quality is a bonus on top of that.

For perspective, I did compare the Icon Mobile to my home stereo, a PS Audio Digital Link3 DAC and Rotel RC1082 pre-amp with a rather nice built-in headphone amp via USB. In sum, you won’t see my DL3 or RC1082 on eBay any time soon. The Mobile Icon just doesn’t have the effortless air of my home system, not that I expected it to. I suspect the biggest advantage of the home system is the DL3’s jitter filtering (with an ASRC), but I have no way to test that.

There are two features contributing to audio quality in the AirHead I will miss, and maybe NuForce can consider them for “v2.” Since most music is balanced for room listening, the AirHead rolls off the high end just a bit to get rid of some over-brightness. Second, the AirHead can cross-feed attenuated, delayed signals to each channel to noticeably improve staging and so the musicians don’t sound like they’re trapped between your ears.

The Icon Mobile definitely sounded better the more I listened to. I can’t deny the phenomenon of burn-in, as I’ve experienced it myself. Jason Lim at NuForce told me the non-audiophile employees in Taiwan on the Icon Mobile production line have noticed the phenomenon. But because I have yet to hear a physical explanation of how a solid state electronic component can change its sound quality over a relatively short time frame, I have to give credence to an alternative hypothesis that this genuine phenomenon is really a psychological process of familiarization. Seems there is a great experiment just waiting to be run by some psychology student with audiophile interests. If any of you have physical explanation that’s credible (e.g., skip the story about capacitor aging), I’m all ears.

I agree with HA that the Icon Mobile should be more than adequate to drive any in-ear monitor. I found it more than adequate on high-gain with my AKG K701s for any of the music I listen to. I tried an old pair of AKG K340s (passive electrostatics). They sounded surprisingly good with the Icon Mobile, but I think there would be times I’d want more volume. So your mileage may vary on whether or not the Icon Mobile can sufficiently drive a particular full-sized headphone.

The Mobile Icon is dramatically less sensitive to EMI from GSM mobile phones than the AirHead. This probably is due to the much higher level of integration into silicon of the Mobile Icon than any special shielding effort in the NuForce design, but the net effect is to reduce the impact from screams of auditory pain to “mere” annoyance and a rare one at that. The Apple did a dramatically better shielding job in taming the EMI beast with the iPhone 3G than Palm and BlackBerry did with the Treo 650 and Curve I’d previously owned, respectively. Still, I took HA’s lead and bought some inexpensive EMI shields from Quick Bridge (Quick Bridge Solutions - EM Shield for iPhone) They definitely work and do so almost all the time; EMI is no longer an issue. (Be sure you place them on the back of the iPhone, not the front, as Quick Bridge recommends.)

NuForce did a nice job on some of the physical details of the Mobile Icon as well. I often use my mobile system outdoors, running, yard work, or whatever. Moisture and dust are unavoidable. I had a lot of problems with switches and volume pots on my earlier two AirHeads (though not the current version). But I like the fact that the Mobile Icon just deleted the on/off switch as unnecessary. And the volume pot feels and behaves like a precision device unlike what is typical for consumer portable audio. The LED lights were also well thought-out. I like the fact that there are separate lights for USB power and USB link.
 
Jan 23, 2009 at 9:19 PM Post #329 of 486
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I’m the guy who started this thread with a preview look at a NuForce Icon Mobile prototype. I waited till NuForce started shipping the Icon Mobile in black to buy one myself, but I’ve had it now over a month. I thought I’d add a few thoughts to this excellent thread based on many hours of listening to the production version.


It's nice to read your feedback on the amp. Thanks!

Do you also feel it is a little brighter and more forward via line in than it is via USB? With USB I compare it side by side with my 3MOVE and it is only slightly brighter, slightly more forward and with only slightly less bass - but in that comparison it holds it's own vs more costly amps although not on the same level. But I was disappointed with Skylab's review because he used it mostly with his iMod and analog input and didn't like it as much as many of us do. I'm thinking, sure he loves the Meier with it near the top of his list, but the Nuforce isn't that much worse that it should fall at the bottom of his list. He did agree that when he listened to it the first time via USB with jvlgato and gato's RS-2 it sounded better to him.

In my case, 99% of my use with the Nuforce IM is via USB, and I have left it plugged into the iMac in the Kitchen so that I can use it any time I need without having to worry about the battery running down or plugging it into the wall. So, for me the difference in sound via USB vs analog is not an issue. Via USB I thought it sounds nice with a wide variety of headphones as well as most IEM - but in terms of synergy it's not as good with Grado or my AKG K240M as it is with my ESW10, Denon and Ultrasone. It was nice sounding with HD600 at normal volume, but a little underpowered for loud rock or electronic (which I don't do). It really rocks with my woodied re-cabled D2000.
 
Jan 23, 2009 at 9:45 PM Post #330 of 486
After reading impressions on the analog in I may just make this my permanent laptop amp. I was thinking of taking it with my ipod classic, but I'm so happy with my PA2V2 that I may just use that strictly for portable use. It's definitely brighter than anything I'm used to. I only had about an hour to test it before I left it to burn in.

The little I gathered (I'm not an audiophile so pardon my simple explanation) is that there's a balance. The way I mean that is if I'm listening to Coltrane on my PA2V2, the first minute of bass may sound perfect, but as soon as the trumpet kicks in I have to lower the volume cause it's way louder. On the Nuforce I can leave it at a single volume and all of the instruments are equal and there's no need to babysit the volume. The soundstage also seems a bit wider, even without burn in. There's definitely a loss in bass, but the PA2V2 is known for adding to the bass.
 

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