Pro-Ject Pre Box S2 Digital Impression Thread

Dec 9, 2017 at 12:45 PM Post #166 of 784
Okay I downloaded the new firmware. I clicked on it. It seemed to unzip,less than a second. The Prebox is still 2.10. How do I get the new firmware there? I’m using a Mac.
Thanks

You'll need WinDoze to run the firmware updater, sorry. Beg, borrow, or steal a PC. Or use a virtual machine like Parallels.

P.S. Audio Adviser is now selling this in the US. $399

It's also on Amazon, possibly placed there by Audio Adviser too: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref....

As a recommended add on they are listing an upgrade ac power cable. Guess they haven’t opened the box yet

Maybe they're trying to sell you an upgrade to the existing adapter? I do recommend using the included power adapter instead of USB power alone. Some say upgrading to an iFi iPower or another "cleaner" improves the sound further, but I don't hear a difference.
 
Dec 10, 2017 at 3:56 PM Post #167 of 784
I picked up one of these units on a recent trip to the UK. That was largely motivated by a desire to see what Pro-Ject were able to ring out of the ESS 9038 vs. some of the other, much more expensive, options that have been trickling in from China. That it is a dual-converter design, has MQA support (a point of interest/experimentation for me, even if I remain extremely skeptical about it), a feature-list that belies its diminutive size, and comes in just under $400, made it more interesting still.

The thing is tiny, for sure. Small enough that I could almost see throwing it in with my primary laptop when I am not trying to travel light. It easily bests the performance of the AudioQuest Dragonfly Red or Meridian Explorer 2 that I tended to use for that role.

The headphone output seems suitably transparent, if a bit anemic (though totally reasonable for the size/price/target market of the unit) ... not something I'd pair with anything demanding. With this in mind I first gave it a try using the ATH-M50x, a pairing that sits very well and is unexpectedly enjoyable. I wound up listening to the thing all-day in that configuration without fatigue or issue. Surprising given my normal TOTL setup and a generally more miss-than-hit set of experiences with ESS based units.

Pairing with (stock), 2016-era, HD650 was very agreeable (and plenty loud). Even feeding the Focal Utopia (directly) things remained enjoyable - and while probably not a typical, nor ideal, combination, I didn't see a good reason not to try them - nor did I find any obvious issues while doing so.

Different filters options bring about, for the most part, audible differences, though sometimes they're very subtle.

It is a nice touch on a unit at this level to have multiple options to power it. It sounds very good just fed both signal and power off a single USB connection. Performance improves in a reasonably-easy-to-audibly-discern manner/level by using the included outboard PSU. I also tried the unit with external iFi Power and Teddy Pardo power-supplies and, in both cases, I was only able to tell the difference when using the unit as a DAC feeding my "proper" amp and into my HD800S, Abyss and Utopia cans. Using the built-in headphone output, PSUs other than the included one did not exhibit a difference I could detect.

Other thoughts ...

On pre 2.12 firmwares, there were some irritating issues with the unit with mixed DSD samples rates and mixed DSD/PCM playlists. Pops and clicks being the principal issue. This is a very common thing with a lot of DSD-capable units (feed even a Chord DAVE via USB and this happens here and there). These seem to have been eliminated in v2.12.

I have experienced no other issues with DSD playback.

Even on v2.12, however, with MQA content, fed from Audirvana+ and sourced via TIDAL, there are, sadly, still some drop-out issues. The situation is improved, but not fixed completely. An MQA track will be playing, and then suddenly the volume will drop noticeably, the MQA indicator will go out, and a few moments later the MQA light comes back on, the volume comes back up, and all is normal. It's annoying, but not frequent ... sometimes you could go several albums without this happening. And it's definitely improved from earlier firmwares, though there's still a little way to go here.

It is worth saying that this MQA dropout issue has NEVER occurred using the Meridian Explorer 2, and that's from the same sources and chain (the only difference being the USB cable, but I'm 100% sure that's unrelated).

Presentation is neutral and detailed (without the exaggerated "sharpening" of detail I've heard on much more expensive ESS units).

The MQA support is that of a full decoder, rather than the software-assisted renderer model of, say, the iFi Nano iDSD BL. MQA content, via TIDAL, remains a bit of an enigma. Some albums sound better compared to the CD-rips I own ... but it's impossible to tell if this is down to the MQA version simply using a better/different master vs. it actually being anything to do with the technicalities of MQA itself. Though, if all MQA got me was access to better masters in some cases, that would be interesting in and of itself, and doesn't necessarily need an MQA-capable DAC to take advantage of.

I expected to be underwhelmed by the "Pre Box S2 Digital" ... instead I think this is actually a rather worthy unit. Value is very high. Performance is solid. I like it quite a bit better than a couple of either higher-profile or oddly-hyped, more expensive units based on the same basic chipset.

If you don't need/want DSD or MQA support, and don't mind using a couple of boxes instead of one, and/or have more demanding cans, I think the Schiit Modi MB/Magni 3 offer a somewhat better overall result, with better drive-capability and dynamics. And the iFi Micro iDSD BL will yield more power, more control, work better with demanding cans, but with no (current) MQA support (if you care), and a somewhat more engaging presentation (for me) ... though the iFi has channel balance issues that were an issue with more sensitive full-size cans (e.g. Fostex TH-X00 PH ... which were otherwise a lovely combination).

YMMV
 
Dec 11, 2017 at 1:26 AM Post #168 of 784
S2 drives hd800s quite good imo.
 
Dec 11, 2017 at 12:34 PM Post #170 of 784
If you don't need/want DSD or MQA support, and don't mind using a couple of boxes instead of one, and/or have more demanding cans, I think the Schiit Modi MB/Magni 3 offer a somewhat better overall result, with better drive-capability and dynamics.
What about Pro-Ject + Magni 3 vs Modi MB + Magni 3?
 
Dec 11, 2017 at 3:09 PM Post #171 of 784
What about Pro-Ject + Magni 3 vs Modi MB + Magni 3?

That really comes down to personal preferences (e.g. do you value "clarity" over "dynamics" or whether you have a specific tonal preference) and whether you need/want DSD and/or MQA support within the DAC itself.

For the headphones in your signature, the Magni 3 is definitely not needed (not to say it wouldn't have benefits) with the Pro-Ject box. And both DACs have, different, traits that will complement your headphones nicely, albeit in different ways. Both options offer very high levels of performance for the price. If you don't care about DSD, or are willing to convert it on the fly to PCM, and/or don't care about MQA, then I'd lean towards the Schiit stack (which is also cheaper, at least in the US).

The value in the Pro-Ject box, for me at least, is in being able to handle all DSD and PCM, without fuss, while being able to further experiment with MQA, in a single box. I picked one up out of academic interest, but might just stick it in my laptop case for when I travel. It'd win there over the Schiit stack on the basis that it's smaller and doesn't need a pair of outboard power-supplies rather than any sonic delta.
 
Dec 15, 2017 at 6:32 AM Post #172 of 784
I am looking at using the Pro-Ject Pre Box S2 Digital with a TV connected via coaxial and a chromecast audio connected via optical. Finding a quality remote controllable pre-amp that costs under £200 is difficult outside of importing from china, including a high quality dac and a beautiful design for only £300 seems like a good deal! Will this box auto switch to active inputs or do I have to manually select inputs, even if one of the inputs is not active?
 
Dec 15, 2017 at 11:45 AM Post #173 of 784
I am looking at using the Pro-Ject Pre Box S2 Digital with a TV connected via coaxial and a chromecast audio connected via optical. Finding a quality remote controllable pre-amp that costs under £200 is difficult outside of importing from china, including a high quality dac and a beautiful design for only £300 seems like a good deal! Will this box auto switch to active inputs or do I have to manually select inputs, even if one of the inputs is not active?

You mean will it automatically switch from coax to optical upon detecting a signal? No. You will have to manually select inputs. That button is not on the remote, only on the face of the box. There are automatic switchers you can add to your system though, like this one. Never tried that myself.

(I should also point out that this DAC only decodes MQA via USB. As far as I know, for a DAC that decodes MQA via S/PDIF, the nearest in cost is much larger and 5 times the price: the Mytek Brooklyn.)
 
Dec 16, 2017 at 11:40 AM Post #174 of 784
hi @Left Channel you are godsend to all the forums regarding S2 Pre Dac ... at least 4 different ones i've been following :) !!! Think you have helped dozens if not more people decide for it !!!
However, though i have never connected Coax or Optical - arrows up and down on the remote do select different inputs (allow you to cycle through - USB/Coax/Optical) ... so my guess @squ1gs you can switch inputs via remote and if you have universal/learning remote i bet you can teach it to do it for you as well :)
 
Dec 16, 2017 at 12:24 PM Post #175 of 784
Thanks @gahabana! Maybe I'm getting overwhelmed, but I don't know why that didn't work yesterday. Maybe my remote needs a new battery. Or my brain needs a new battery. I just tried it now and the remote worked; still not sure about my brain.

OK @squ1gs, sorry, the remote does switch the input. For automatic switching I still recommend the accessory box I mentioned above. I use an automatic HDMI switcher to connect devices to my TV and it works great; sounds like you already have experience with something like that.
 
Dec 20, 2017 at 5:59 PM Post #177 of 784
Hi, thank you for all the helpful posts about the S2. I understand the benefits of using a linear power supply, but looking at the back of the unit, where do I plug that in? I understand the DAC can take power off the USB port and here is also a micro-USB port that is labeled 5V. Are there linear power supplies out there that can plug into the micro-USB port? Or via some sort of adapter? I have a LPS that I used with my Squeezebox Touch, but the plug on that is a round plug. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A picture would be helpful if that is possible. Thank you!
 
Dec 20, 2017 at 6:11 PM Post #178 of 784
Hi, thank you for all the helpful posts about the S2. I understand the benefits of using a linear power supply, but looking at the back of the unit, where do I plug that in? I understand the DAC can take power off the USB port and here is also a micro-USB port that is labeled 5V. Are there linear power supplies out there that can plug into the micro-USB port? Or via some sort of adapter? I have a LPS that I used with my Squeezebox Touch, but the plug on that is a round plug. Any help would be greatly appreciated. A picture would be helpful if that is possible. Thank you!

Glad to help! I'm using this adapter: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019CXCHNS/

You'll need to be check whether your wall-wart has a 2.5 mm or 2.1 mm plug.
 

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