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Headphoneus Supremus
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- For the "buying land" point, I wasn't making a point to the effective right to get a political power relative to the ground ownership. The point was that it is certainly not a way to be recognized as legitim owner in the eyes of the local population.
- Indeed, the UK is quite coward. Far more than France which lead two pretty long wars before going out of its colonies. We must however admit that they were often right to go out of things that couldn't have controlled anyway.
- For the repatriation, I must sadly repeat : what people wants is leaving under the tree they've grown under, not in a country even free. That's the difference between locality and nationality. The first one is often stronger. Pretty interesting to see btw that the first Jews had the opposite position : country matters, not place. It would be interesting to see how it is now.
- Your probably right about the foundation of Israel, but I would state it in another form : the world was too weak to prevent it.
- To destroy the houses is quite a good idea on the paper. But now everybody sees it doesn't work, it is only one more proof that the conflict has deep hate's roots. It just infuriates the neighbor who'll go the local section of the Hamas the next day.
- Wanna know ? I've always had a deep admiration for the Israel state. When I read books about the successive wars, my sympathy goes to the Tsahal troops. There is a kind of greatness in this story. But when I try to get a colder view of the situation, I can only see the other face of the medal.
We need some maps (sorry if they're in french, it should be easy to read anyway) :
Jerusalem
I was speaking of the eastern suburbs. Certainly not in hand before 1969.
Charm-El-Cheik treaty
What to do with the colonies ? There is no palestinian state possible if cut into small parts.
- For the "buying land" point, I wasn't making a point to the effective right to get a political power relative to the ground ownership. The point was that it is certainly not a way to be recognized as legitim owner in the eyes of the local population.
- Indeed, the UK is quite coward. Far more than France which lead two pretty long wars before going out of its colonies. We must however admit that they were often right to go out of things that couldn't have controlled anyway.
- For the repatriation, I must sadly repeat : what people wants is leaving under the tree they've grown under, not in a country even free. That's the difference between locality and nationality. The first one is often stronger. Pretty interesting to see btw that the first Jews had the opposite position : country matters, not place. It would be interesting to see how it is now.
- Your probably right about the foundation of Israel, but I would state it in another form : the world was too weak to prevent it.
- To destroy the houses is quite a good idea on the paper. But now everybody sees it doesn't work, it is only one more proof that the conflict has deep hate's roots. It just infuriates the neighbor who'll go the local section of the Hamas the next day.
- Wanna know ? I've always had a deep admiration for the Israel state. When I read books about the successive wars, my sympathy goes to the Tsahal troops. There is a kind of greatness in this story. But when I try to get a colder view of the situation, I can only see the other face of the medal.
We need some maps (sorry if they're in french, it should be easy to read anyway) :
Jerusalem
I was speaking of the eastern suburbs. Certainly not in hand before 1969.
Charm-El-Cheik treaty
What to do with the colonies ? There is no palestinian state possible if cut into small parts.