Gee, all the excitement! It’s just a headphone, people! (Although one of the world’s current best
in my opinion.
)
Re: the whole measurement discussion: I actually don’t care either way because it just does not concern me; I feel that it is of an academic interest at best. The situation as it is presents itself to me something like this: Some people have said that apparently this headphone that I happen to like very much has to sound really bad because of some measurements someone did, the process behind which I don’t even begin to understand. There has been talk of certain „ringing“. So what do I do? I try to listen for it. I then find that I just can’t hear anything remotely bad. What I do hear are the outstanding qualities of this headphone. I’ll reiterate: Its terrific resolution and open, airy sound combined with the great bass extension make this a very serious contender for one of the best headphones in every category period. Should there be any flaws in other departments, then perhaps these abovementioned qualities, which are extremely important to me as a listener, are redeeming enough to render these alleged flaws immaterial.
I am therefore faced with the curious situation that someone wants to tell me that reality is different from what I perceive. Should I believe them? Being a gentleman and a scholar, I would be inclined to do so, could they provide me with sufficient data to support their claim. However, this headphone game is not hard science. Listening is personal, and nobody will be able to measure exactly what
I hear. For anyone interested in how subjective this whole thing really is, this video from the „Binaural Head-Fi meet“ has really opened my eyes and ears to how much even the smallest differences in the anatomy of our ears affect what we hear. Food for thought when it comes to „objective“ measurements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrObN8YIRq8
But even ignoring this important point, let us take a look at the "facts" they present us with and see if they might be sufficient to sway me (or anyone):
- I have no insight into the measuring method that was used. For all I know, the equipment used could have been faulty, or the person doing the measuring could have been a nitwit. I just don’t know and have no means to find out. Btw, Tyll has recently announced that he has been using faulty equipment for a while which has influenced measurement results in a negative way. To my knowledge, he has been remeasuring some, but not all the headphones that may have been affected. Again, food for thought.
- One point of data is not enough. How many people have conducted this experiment? Have they reached the exact same results? I am honestly interested in this.
- Who says that what is measured is actually audible? From my own observations, I am inclined to believe that whatever critical points these measurements are supposed to show are blown way out of proportion. I tend to have a critical approach towards my purchases and believe me, I really have tried to listen critically for any „ringing“, I really wanted to hear it. I couldn’t for the life of me.
- Is it feasible that the people who have tuned this headphone actually knew what the were doing and have tuned it in such a way that it may look lackluster on paper but sound just splendid in reality? Perhaps what others call „distortion“ will have a nice effect on the sound as I perceive it. Again, there’s nothing wrong in politely pointing out peculiarities in any measured data in a helpful spirit. Providing information is always a good thing. But it should be left to me what to make of it. If you’re insulting me, you’ll only lose me as an ardent listener.
Well, I don’t have anything more to add to this discussion. Perhaps it's just my ignorance that saves me from realizing what a horrible device it is I find so much joy in. In that case, ignorance would
truly be bliss!
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I just finished my move and the SE-M1 will be coming out tonight
During the move I kept my Shure 1840 out or daily listening. Its no slouch but going from Z1R and SE-M1 to it was a 'audible' downgrade. Keen to hear the M1 tonight. I also managed to get Sony TA-ZH1ES amp (just came in today at office) so tonight should be very interesting
Phonomat - any impressions with the balanced cable that you can share?
Sadly, no. Mea culpa. I have three new things that I have to come to terms with: the WM1A, the Z1R and the balanced Pioneer cable. Since I still have to decide if I'm going to keep the Z1R, this is the top priority right now. My evaluation method is that I try to listen more or less exclusively to one device for a prolonged period, which I now do to the Z1R (mostly via WM1A), only here and there changing back to the SE-Master1 for a quick comparison on a certain track. To add the balanced cable would just confront me with one more variable, and it's hard enough as it is. The Master1 is clearly the better headphone for me, it trumps the Z1R in all aspects except maybe bass. Also, I don't really
need a complement. And yet, there is a certain "guilty pleasure" quality about the Z1R. It's ... fun, even if it sounds almost, well, mid-fi compared to the SE-M1 due to its closed nature. (Chill, people, I said "almost", lol.) I see it as a great upgrade for the TH-900, but I probably have become too accustomed to the SE-M1's open, airy sound. I think I
might keep it nonetheless to have a closed-back alternative when need be. How do the two compare in your opinion?
@AppleheadMay, how do you think they stack up?
I think we might have more or less collectively slammed this review a couple pages back. And going back to it now, I have to say that almost nothing in it adds up, unfortunately.
See this as a prime example of a typical troll post for future reference. It is arrogant and childish and does not add anything to the discussion.
another example of what lan647 has called out. all too predictable and so tiresome.
to be fair, he was describing how it sounded to him and his friends. it's also apparent from his post that he is exasperated, and with good reason.
it's always frustrating when folks take criticism of the cans they own personally, and respond by misrepresenting what you post and your motive for doing so. ignorance is one thing, but repeating the same point after folks have taken the time and effort to explain why it's misguided is more than inexcusable, it's reprehensible.
He/she has not called out anything. He/she is simply a WUM. Anyone who says any headphone sounds like s**t, as far as I am concerned, has forfeited their right to be taken seriously and entered troll territory and should not even be addressed at all. So why do we even bother? Because it is just so
wrong, lol! First of all, s**t does not even make a sound!
Second of all, even if we take the claim less literally for a second, it is a crass exaggeration. If you’re using hyperbole for extra clarification as your weapon of choice in a dispute, you will reap exaggerated contradiction. It is simply necessary for the other side to even out the battleground. Third of all, by making a broad, absolute claim like that, you’re basically saying that I and everyone else who likes to listen this headphone is an idiot because we like to listen to s**t. It’s rude, and I don’t like that.
If someone partakes in a public forum like this and we have the possibility to react to their post, the first thing we should ask ourselves is, do they want to enter a fair and open discourse? In the case of lan647, he/she is very palpably biased against this headphone -- much more, I feel, than I as an owner am biased
for it. Which makes his/her opinion not really worth my while. As his/her judgement is clearly impaired by this bias, there is not much I expect to learn from it. What's even worse is that he/she behaves in a hostile manner, is very easily aggravated and overly antagonizing and apparently suffers from insufficient impulse control, which leads me to the conclusion that he/she is either indeed a minor or an adult with issues. (I know we're not supposed to get personal, but in a case like this, it’s hard not to factor this in.) There is a German proverb saying: „Wer schreit, hat unrecht“, which roughly translates to „He who shouts is wrong“. I think this merits consideration. There’s no harm in politely pointing out peculiarities in any measured data in a helpful spirit. Providing information is
always a good thing and most certainly appreciated. But it should be left to me what to make of it. If you’re insulting me, you’ll only lose me as an ardent listener. Resorting to namecalling or rudeness as he/she has in answer to
@AppleheadMay, for example, in my eyes devaluates everything he/she has to say on a factual basis. Democracy and freedom of speech go a long way, but that doesn't mean we have to take s**t from some random stranger on the internet. Rant over.