PC Enthusiast-Fi (PC Gaming/Hardware/Software/Overclocking)

[gopanthersgo1]

You don't need 8GB+ RAM for gaming. I only have 16GB for 3D work(although I do run out sometimes, so I keep debating a full dual hexcore workstation, if only headphones didn't suck up so much money).
I wouldn't even bother with a hard drive in a new build now with 480GB SSDs going for £200. I'm planning to go all SSD in my main rig in the new year. That and a new pump, current one is starting to die.

EDIT: Well, maybe a hard drive for hardcore archiving or a server.

I burn all my DVDs so putting ~600GBs of movies on a SSD isn't very reasonable, as I don't have a lot of money, but buy stuff when I finally save up for it. (8th grade)

 

[bowei006]

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You don't need 8GB+ RAM for gaming. I only have 16GB for 3D work(although I do run out sometimes, so I keep debating a full dual hexcore workstation, if only headphones didn't suck up so much money).
I wouldn't even bother with a hard drive in a new build now with 480GB SSDs going for £200. I'm planning to go all SSD in my main rig in the new year. That and a new pump, current one is starting to die.
 
EDIT: Well, maybe a hard drive for hardcore archiving or a server.

 
8GB is a good spot for gamming. 6GB is about right. 4GB will work. But 8 is recommended as it can be 2 dimms. 
 
480GB for $330 USD? Where?

 

[Tangster]

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480GB for $330 USD? Where?

Aria in the UK are selling the Muskin Callisto 480GB for £206 in their New Year sales. Not the fastest, but it's tremendous value.
 
Likewise, in the UK you can pick up a Sandisk 480GB SSD for ~£250 from Amazon UK.

 

[bowei006]

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Aria in the UK are selling the Muskin Callisto 480GB for £206 in their New Year sales. Not the fastest, but it's tremendous value.
 
Likewise, in the UK you can pick up a Sandisk 480GB SSD for ~£250 from Amazon UK.

Interesting. We have the same. NEver took a look at 480GB's. But that is a good thing I guess. But $350-$400 for Storage is a bit overboard in some views.

 

[TheKillerPiglet]

Bordelands 2 has been my game of choice over the last two months, It's been severla years since I've gotten intoa game, but this one had me totally hooked.
 
Running of i5-750 3.6ghz OC, 8 gigs, GTX 690, 2304 x 1440 @ 80hz Sony CRT. Still have not seen a panel screen that can touch this old beast of a monitor (24", 16:10, 90 lbs.) for gaming.
 
KP
 

 

[NamelessPFG]

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2304 x 1440 @ 80hz Sony CRT. Still have not seen a panel screen that can touch this old beast of a monitor (24", 16:10, 90 lbs.) for gaming.

 
Only the GDM-FW900 (or a few rebadged variants also based on the FD Trinitron G1W chassis) matches those specs. It's been 10 to 11 years now, and there still isn't a better gaming monitor on the market, which is rather sad given how much displays should have improved by now.
 
I needed a friend to help get it in place (I can just barely lift the 70 lbs., 21" FD Trinitron G1 monitors), but once we got it onto my computer desk, I wouldn't trade it for anything else.

 

[TheKillerPiglet]

The GDM-FW900 it is indeed.
 
KP
 

 

[bowei006]

http://claidheam-righ.deviantart.com/art/PC-Gaming-Master-Race-123190068
 
By Claidheam

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Pros of Consoles:

1. Cheap, can run gaming at $200
2. Very intergrated
3. No viruses
4. New updated interfaces
5. social programs (Xbox marketplace or kinect stuff and PS home)
6. Voice chat (consoles have most people voice chatting) built in
7. everyone has the same console when playing online
8. multi media station for media like netflix or programs
9. Also has news, and current updates

 
Cons of consoles

1. Power, they are weak
2. The require extra crap like wireless adapters
3. New versions make people buy crap
4. Xbox requires live gold subscription
5. Closed system
6. Everything is at a premium(20GB's for $40)
7. Company controls every step of it.

 
 

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Cons of PC

1. Consoles are "weak" compared to today's PC's in terms of power. But having a system that uses a faster design or chip base (Xbox's is based off ATI X1900T) doesn't mean it is similar to a computer using that card. Games are highly optomized for consoles today. Some games actually have worse performance on PC. The market is so profitable for consoles and where most game dev's are mainly that most games are simply "ported".
2. PC Gamers almost always use type chat. Most games don't support VOIP. Some use external programs but most don't. If some decide to use external program, they have to hope, other people in the place playing are using it too. Typing is slower.
3. While cooperative team playing is more prevelant on PC. Lack of an established voice chat system is a problem
4. Virsues
5. For a console, if stuff happens weirdly, its the game dev's and console company's fault. If something is weird on a PC. It introduces a huge other field of needing to fix what is wrong with your PC. Drivers, Driect X, Open GL, Microsoft 2008 Redistro, Physx
6. Very expensive
7. PC's are multi media too but are not as intergrated. Steam BIG Thing isn't a good alternative.(yet?)

 
PC pro:

1. Very powerful systems are possible
2. Very expensive also
3. it is also your computer
4. uber multi media options
5. Play in 1080p and with all the eye candy you want. Most X360 games are rendered in 720p. PS3 is half 720p with AA, and half 1080p with no bells and whistels.
6. Much cheaper games, and deals
7. Do what you want with it
8. Upgradeable parts
9. Manly and Glorious
10. Keyboard and mouse and their options for upping Gameplay. Monitors too.
11. Better surround sound/virtual sound IS a possibility. Most don't have a better audio system than what the consoles have but a possiblity of an upgrade is there
12. Options

 
 
So yeah, it is all up to you. Some like some  things, some don't like others.
 

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Tell me how that is guys.

 

[stainless824]

PC brah checking in.
 
i7 sandy bridge 2600k OCed to 5.2 under a corsair H100 topping out at 60 degrees
all my other specs are so so. 8gb 1600mhz ram, 60gb ssd as boot drive. Only going to upgrade for something like 2 gens after Nahalem. 

 

[bowei006]

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PC brah checking in.
 
i7 sandy bridge 2600k OCed to 5.2 under a corsair H100 topping out at 60 degrees
all my other specs are so so. 8gb 1600mhz ram, 60gb ssd as boot drive. Only going to upgrade for something like 2 gens after Nahalem. 

My Glorious PC Enthusiast sense are twinkling.
 
#Correction
8GiB 1600MHz
60GB(possibly GiB) SSD
 
Nice specs. I'm hoping for an SSD upgrade soon.

 

[Kirosia]

Kirosia is almost done ordering his PC parts, as planned:
 
Gigabyte GTX 670 OC
2x4GB Samsung low profile ram
Core i5
Crucial M4 256 SSD
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Seasonic 430w
Asrock Z77 Extreme4
 
If nothing go ones sale tomorrow,  I'll just pay normal price. Waited long enough as is.

 

[bowei006]

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Kirosia is almost done ordering his PC parts, as planned:
 
Gigabyte GTX 670 OC
2x4GB Samsung low profile ram
Core i5
Crucial M4 256 SSD
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Seasonic 430w
Asrock Z77 Extreme4
 
If nothing go ones sale tomorrow,  I'll just pay normal price. Waited long enough as is.

It has been brought up numerous times that the Intel Xeon 1230 V2 would be a better alternative than the 3550 or 3570k i5. It performs as well as the i5 does in gaming but in daily operations, will perform like an i7 ivy bridge does.
 
PSU and the amount of power they need to feed components is slightly over rated yes. I have a UPS with LCD power manager next to me and can monitor wattage being pulled by Power Supply. Obviously the Power Supply does use capacitators to store energy and to give it more power but none the less, the power draw is still aparent. Well what I mean is, it's over rated but I am a bit skittish when you are trying to put a OC Gaming GPU from Nvidia, after market cooler, and ivy bridge desktop CPU on a highly efficent PSU. But that's just me. I'm old fashioned. I know it's over rated but none the less. I wouldhave just bought a 700W for that to be safe. Say what you will. I'm ole fashioned with PSU and their power. \

 

[Kirosia]

Well I've been reading up, and a single-card, OC'd system probably won't even hit 400w. Unless you mean something else?

 

[bowei006]

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Well I've been reading up, and a single-card, OC'd system probably won't even hit 400w. Unless you mean something else?

No. I meant that. I was just referring to the usual power supply people get for these systems and how it is overkill. My system pulls 250W. But of course actual power needed is unknown as that is just direct power draw from my PSU from my home. Capacitators and rails and how much they themselves send is higher but it won't be too much higher. But do be careful.
 
See if the Intel Xeon V2 1230 works for you.

 

[deadlylover]

I wouldhave just bought a 700W for that to be safe.

 
The 670 OC has a TDP of 180W, and a mildly overclocked Ivy Bridge i5 will pull 100W tops.
 
150W of headroom left for the other stuff, easy peasy, 430W is perfect considering it will probably be running at maximum efficiency as well.
 
I think I've got a below average 3770k, it gets bloody hot on my Noctua D14, roughly 90C or so with IBT/linx @ 4.4ghz, stable at 1.23V or so. 

 
So I just run it at a mild 4.3ghz for daily use (watching Youtube).