Paen to Edition 9's

[e-dub]

i don't think so. i've noticed him slagging ultrasone headphones in every ultrasone thread i've read lol.

eric b

 

[Andrew_WOT]

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Originally Posted by jamato8 /img/forum/go_quote.gif So I guess you don't find the Ultrasones to your liking?

I was "okay" with HFI-650 until I got something better, but could not stand Prolines, they were just too aggressive and uneven. Never had problem with S-Logic either, except that initial 3-D illusion was short lasting.

 

[jamato8]

I have read that the HFI780 really evens out the frequencies. It might be worth a listen.

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

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Originally Posted by jamato8 /img/forum/go_quote.gif So I guess you don't find the Ultrasones to your liking?

Where is the "stoic" smiley when you need it?

:-|

 

[jamato8]

Sometimes it is just inferred.

:^)

 

[jpelg]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif IIRC James (jpelg) also experienced the same transformation, is was funny as at that time he called it "brain transplant" while we commneted on it, and we all laughted as a few weeks after, he was a "converted" after his brain was "transplanted" as well...

Yes, now on my third pair after trying many others before and in between. My brain is permanently transplanted, I guess

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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT /img/forum/go_quote.gif Off center driver placement is not something revolutionary new and is not different from just wearing phones moved a bit forward. Based on recommendations on Meier Audio site, I've been wearing most my phones like that

Definitely not the same thing. Simply wearing the driver/cup off axis from your ear does not approach the Ultrasone configuration. Quote:

ATH with angled ones, both make much more spacious and natural, "speaker like" sound field

No Audio-Technica's ever sounded natural at all to me. Quote:

that does not require 1000 hours of drivers and mental burn-in to make it tolerable.

Most cans require burn-in. Some more, some less. 200hrs or so is where the very rigid titanium drivers begin to settle into their normal performance range. A small price in only time to get one of the best drivers available, imo.

 

[Andrew_WOT]

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Originally Posted by jamato8 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I have read that the HFI780 really evens out the frequencies. It might be worth a listen.

I was thinking more of HFI-680, not a big fan of bassy phones myself, but they are not available in States.

 

[Andrew_WOT]

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Originally Posted by jpelg /img/forum/go_quote.gif Definitely not the same thing. Simply wearing the driver/cup off axis from your ear does not approach the Ultrasone configuration.

Please explain how is it different, I just fail to see it.
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Originally Posted by jpelg /img/forum/go_quote.gif No Audio-Technica's ever sounded natural at all to me.

Just making sure you mean soundstage, not sound signature.
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Originally Posted by jpelg /img/forum/go_quote.gif Most cans require burn-in. Some more, some less. 200hrs or so is where the very rigid titanium drivers begin to settle into their normal performance range. A small price in only time to get one of the best drivers available, imo.

The emphasis here was mentioned "mental" burn in, to get accustomed to S-Logic, drivers burn in has nothing to do with it.

 

[tev]

Does the presentation of S-Logic sound roughly the same on all Ultrasones, just in terms of soundstage only?

An HFI-2000 is the only experience I had with Ultrasone, and I didn't notice anything different about the soundstage, comparing it with most other mid-level cans. Is the soundstage benefit of s-logic more dependent on the model than the s-logic technology itself? In other words does the benefit of s-logic really scale up with the higher models?

 

[Andrew_WOT]

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Originally Posted by tev /img/forum/go_quote.gif Does the presentation of S-Logic sound roughly the same on all Ultrasones, just in terms of soundstage only? An HFI-2000 is the only experience I had with Ultrasone, and I didn't notice anything different about the soundstage, comparing it with most other mid-level cans. Is the soundstage benefit of s-logic more dependent on the model than the s-logic technology itself? In other words does the benefit of s-logic really scale up with the higher models?

I guess that's because HFI models do not feature offset drivers like Prolines. Looks like from that respect ED9 shares more similarities with HFI than Proline.
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/akg...enture-163575/
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Originally Posted by gcharma The mids and highs unfortunately were the downfall of these cans. While I practically came every time the intro bass rumble of Bassment Jaxx's "Good Luck" floated by, I missed the high-end definition of the AKGs, and the mids seemed swallowed up like some Jonas in the baffles of the offset drivers. Oh yes, and the offset drivers! First off, don't let anybody tell you that the Proline's aren't worth the extra moolah. They come with (smaller than the HFIs) 40mm gold-plated drivers, which look pretty neat when you crack open the bowls, but which also provide much more definition than the 50mm mylar drivers of the Ultrasone HFI series. I had a chance to A/B them both in store (not broken in, of course) and there is a significant difference. As well, according to DansData, the HFI drivers aren't offset. The Proline's most certainly are, and this aids the "S-Logic" malarkey they'd love to have you believe was the Holy Grail of soundstage. Let me be clear; it does make a difference. The drivers are positioned close to the bottom-front of each bowl. The end result is (when compared directly to the HFIs) is that with the sound coming at your ear from a diffrerent direction, it gives the impression that you are listening to positional audio. The problem is, this is a gimmick. Eventually, your ears adjust, and the effect is gone. This is not true soundstage; one more element these cans lack. hile things never felt claustrophobic, they felt extremely "linear", i.e. I could feel exactly how far away to the left or right things were, but I never got the feeling anything was to the front or behind me. I was never "surrounded" (take that, S-Logic!). This design also professes to allow you to listen to music at lower volumes and still get the same effect. Honestly, I put these cans directly beside the A900s at the same volume, and really didn't feel like there was any difference. Lowering the volume made them sound quieter (makes sense), and making the same adjustment to the A900s had the same effect. Maybe because the A900s have a slightly lower impedance (hence, easier to drive, ergo actual decibel levels were better matched to the slightly harder to drive 650s?), I dunno.

EDIT: Actually I just checked DansData and HFI-650 does have slightly offset drivers and HFI-550 has dead centered ones, not sure about HFI-2000. But still offset is not as severe as on Prolines.
HFI-650

Prolines

 

[fld777]

I had the opportunity to listen to the Ultrasone Edition 9 today ad boy i was in for a real treat. For me these are the best cans i've heard which bested the ff i heard: HD600, AD2k,W5000, RS1.
Just something about these cans that are so magical. Hard to describe in words by they sound "right".

Which Ultrasone come close to the sound of the Edition 9s ?

 

[e-dub]

looks like these could.

eric b

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

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Originally Posted by fld777 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I had the opportunity to listen to the Ultrasone Edition 9 today ad boy i was in for a real treat. For me these are the best cans i've heard which bested the ff i heard: HD600, AD2k,W5000, RS1. Just something about these cans that are so magical. Hard to describe in words by they sound "right". Which Ultrasone come close to the sound of the Edition 9s ?

These http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f70/ul...1/#post3852673

Read my review there. They aren't Edition 9, but they are closer than most other cans.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by fld777 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I had the opportunity to listen to the Ultrasone Edition 9 today ad boy i was in for a real treat. For me these are the best cans i've heard which bested the ff i heard: HD600, AD2k,W5000, RS1. Just something about these cans that are so magical. Hard to describe in words by they sound "right". Which Ultrasone come close to the sound of the Edition 9s ?

Absolutelly none...period...to get that sound you must get them...the 780 uses gold coated drivers which sound different, they do not evne use the same type of drivers...

 

[ken36]

They are starting to sound pretty good.