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How do these compare to Denon 5000's?
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dspargo
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I compared the D5000 to the Edition 9 this afternoon. My friend, Jose, owns both. I think the ED9s were more refined in all areas.
| Originally Posted by dspargo /img/forum/go_quote.gif How do these compare to Denon 5000's? |
I compared the D5000 to the Edition 9 this afternoon. My friend, Jose, owns both. I think the ED9s were more refined in all areas.
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The problem with the Ultrasone Edition 9, as stated in all thread before, is that you need to spend time with them, and get used to their "new" presentation. That unfortunatelly for the ones who wants to try them to have just an idea, and that's it, is not possible at all, as it requires to spend some time with them, in other words, to own them, or at least get the long term loan, and dedicate maybe a couple of weeks to them alone, once you get used ot the "new" presentation you are all set...
Now to get them for comparison sake, and continuosly changging from one hepadhone to the next, and trying to form an opiniuon of them in one hour, just to compare the defiencies, anomalies or differences you may find with others, time after time, before getting used to it, will definitelly lead to a non satisfatory experience...Sad but true!!!
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You may be one of the exceptions of the rule, AFAIK, this is not the case in the majority of the cases I have heard of, and do not happen so frequently...but we all have different perceptions, and conception, on how a given recording may sound...Of course if you are comming from other Ultrasone heapdhone, that is not needed, otherwise, you are very lucky my friend, it took me a good month to get used to the S-Logic with the PROLines...
| Originally Posted by vcoheda /img/forum/go_quote.gif is that a real answer, b/c my question was. |
The problem with the Ultrasone Edition 9, as stated in all thread before, is that you need to spend time with them, and get used to their "new" presentation. That unfortunatelly for the ones who wants to try them to have just an idea, and that's it, is not possible at all, as it requires to spend some time with them, in other words, to own them, or at least get the long term loan, and dedicate maybe a couple of weeks to them alone, once you get used ot the "new" presentation you are all set...
Now to get them for comparison sake, and continuosly changging from one hepadhone to the next, and trying to form an opiniuon of them in one hour, just to compare the defiencies, anomalies or differences you may find with others, time after time, before getting used to it, will definitelly lead to a non satisfatory experience...Sad but true!!!
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| Originally Posted by ken36 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I agree. I found nothing about the E9 that required any kind of acclimatization. I opened the box, made the connections, cranked up my system and listened to music. What is so different about S-logic sound? Now, I am still not a believer, but it's early in the game. |
You may be one of the exceptions of the rule, AFAIK, this is not the case in the majority of the cases I have heard of, and do not happen so frequently...but we all have different perceptions, and conception, on how a given recording may sound...Of course if you are comming from other Ultrasone heapdhone, that is not needed, otherwise, you are very lucky my friend, it took me a good month to get used to the S-Logic with the PROLines...
i'm always open to giving headphones additional auditions or evaluations, but i guess my point was that the Ed.9 did not "wow" me or impress me enough upon initial listening to want to purchase or explore them further.
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That is possible, there is nothing wrong on that, and it could be possible also that it will never be your cup of tea neither, even after extensive auditions, it was designed by Florian, not God, and you may find limitations as in any other heapdhone...but it will not surprise me at all, if you ended liking it neither, after a more extensive experience. My point is, that never give up on an Ultrasone, based on the first audition, that was my case with the PROLine 2500, trust me on that, give them a second chance, if possible a good one...with more time and using a more familiar setup...
My personal opinion is that the UE9 is the kind of heapdhone that do not "wow" you, it simply immerses you in the music, rather than the sound, it makes all my recordings sound musical, I love it...
| Originally Posted by vcoheda /img/forum/go_quote.gif i'm always open to giving headphones additional auditions or evaluations, but i guess my point was that the Ed.9 did not "wow" me or impress me enough upon initial listening to want to purchase or explore them further. |
That is possible, there is nothing wrong on that, and it could be possible also that it will never be your cup of tea neither, even after extensive auditions, it was designed by Florian, not God, and you may find limitations as in any other heapdhone...but it will not surprise me at all, if you ended liking it neither, after a more extensive experience. My point is, that never give up on an Ultrasone, based on the first audition, that was my case with the PROLine 2500, trust me on that, give them a second chance, if possible a good one...with more time and using a more familiar setup...
My personal opinion is that the UE9 is the kind of heapdhone that do not "wow" you, it simply immerses you in the music, rather than the sound, it makes all my recordings sound musical, I love it...
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I've always found that if I have to get "used to something" in hifi, it either isn't right or it just isn't my sound. I eventually wind up getting rid of the product. Everyone hears thing a bit differently. I generally go by my own first impressions.
I'd love to hear the Edition 9's some day, especially with piano and classical.
I'd love to hear the Edition 9's some day, especially with piano and classical.
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Getting used in this context means to the presentation, nor the sound, the sound right, but the presentation is a little weird till you get used to it. First impressions with Ultrasone doesn't work, sorry!!!
The S-Logic offers a more natural presentation, that unfortunately we are not familiar with, for years we have been using headphones that offer the blob in the head, though why Headroom, Meier and some others, have been trying to develop Crossfeeds and all kind of artifacts, hardware and sofware based, to get a more natural presentation, or at least a more speaker like one, with more or less luck.
In that regard Ultrasone stepped forward with the S-Logic, as well, and created a presentation more like near-field monitors, creating a nearfield point inside the earcup that makes you feel more like monitors, speakers in front of you. They used a few tricks, displaced the drivers, partially cover them, angled them, and based in some studies, Florian got the things a little more natural...
If you compare them time after time with others you will be reinforcing again the non-natural presentation you are used to for years, that you are trying to correct, that is why the need of using them alone for some time...later on try any other, and you will find them with a more "artificial" presentation...
Now to what extend you are satisfied with either one, is the point, I like the Ultrasone approach a lot, I stopped using the cross-feed, sold them, and now use only their S-Logic, it is not prefect, but add this effect to the musicality of the headphones, and you will be in heaven...
| Originally Posted by tev /img/forum/go_quote.gif I've always found that if I have to get "used to something" in hifi, it either isn't right or it just isn't my sound. I eventually wind up getting rid of the product. Everyone hears thing a bit differently. I generally go by my own first impressions. I'd love to hear the Edition 9's some day, especially with piano and classical. |
Getting used in this context means to the presentation, nor the sound, the sound right, but the presentation is a little weird till you get used to it. First impressions with Ultrasone doesn't work, sorry!!!
The S-Logic offers a more natural presentation, that unfortunately we are not familiar with, for years we have been using headphones that offer the blob in the head, though why Headroom, Meier and some others, have been trying to develop Crossfeeds and all kind of artifacts, hardware and sofware based, to get a more natural presentation, or at least a more speaker like one, with more or less luck.
In that regard Ultrasone stepped forward with the S-Logic, as well, and created a presentation more like near-field monitors, creating a nearfield point inside the earcup that makes you feel more like monitors, speakers in front of you. They used a few tricks, displaced the drivers, partially cover them, angled them, and based in some studies, Florian got the things a little more natural...
If you compare them time after time with others you will be reinforcing again the non-natural presentation you are used to for years, that you are trying to correct, that is why the need of using them alone for some time...later on try any other, and you will find them with a more "artificial" presentation...
Now to what extend you are satisfied with either one, is the point, I like the Ultrasone approach a lot, I stopped using the cross-feed, sold them, and now use only their S-Logic, it is not prefect, but add this effect to the musicality of the headphones, and you will be in heaven...
jamato8
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I go back and forth between different headphones and while I do hear the great imaging and soundfield of the Ultrasones I have I have "never" understood the problems some people have with the S logic. I don't hear anything weird or unnatural, just a different presentation that took zero time to adjust to. I almost wish I could hear what some experience in finding the sound so different. The only thing I find very different is the ability to throw a nice soundstage but it doesn't mess with my head or hearing. I enjoy my HD650's also but I find the Proline 750's image much better with a cleaner outline to instrument or performer.
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Most of the people do have problems with that presentation, you can read a little in the huge Ultrasone thread and you will find a lot of opinions on the subject.
Maybe you feel not so weird, but I came from the CD3K, and it took me some time to get used to the PROLines 2500, IIRC James (jpleg) also experienced the same transformation, is was funny as at that time he called it "brain transplant" while we commneted on it, and we all laughted as a few weeks after, he was a "converted" after his brain was "transplanted" as well...
| Originally Posted by jamato8 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I go back and forth between different headphones and while I do hear the great imaging and soundfield of the Ultrasones I have I have "never" understood the problems some people have with the S logic. I don't hear anything weird or unnatural, just a different presentation that took zero time to adjust to. I almost wish I could hear what some experience in finding the sound so different. The only thing I find very different is the ability to throw a nice soundstage but it doesn't mess with my head or hearing. I enjoy my HD650's also but I find the Proline 750's image much better with a cleaner outline to instrument or performer. |
Most of the people do have problems with that presentation, you can read a little in the huge Ultrasone thread and you will find a lot of opinions on the subject.
Maybe you feel not so weird, but I came from the CD3K, and it took me some time to get used to the PROLines 2500, IIRC James (jpleg) also experienced the same transformation, is was funny as at that time he called it "brain transplant" while we commneted on it, and we all laughted as a few weeks after, he was a "converted" after his brain was "transplanted" as well...
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Sure I can understand the pathways in the brain adapting to a different type of sound, once you use headphones for some time and condition your brain to the sound of headphones but I have never experienced it. Yes I have read about it quite a bit and have puzzled over it. Well I guess you guys get to experience something I don't. Shucks. :^)
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I used Bose Quiet Comfort (v1) for 5 years before I found head-fi. I felt was not a headphone person, I was a speaker person, but I liked the QC1 every once in a while. I already had the Shure E2c and E4c before I found head-fi last summer, and started to use them more when my QC1 died last summer after about 5000 hours over 5 years. I replaced them with QC2 and not being very familiar with burn-in, I didn't like them as much as my 5 year old QC1. So, I came here when I wanted something in a headphone that was up to the sound of my Polk SDA CRS speakers.
Anyway, the first used head-fi cans I bought were the Ultrasone HFI700DVD that Florian owned and gave away (signed) at a meet in 2006. I was awed by them. They were well burned in, having passed among at least 4 head-fi'ers, and I loved them. I never had a problem adjusting to S-logic. It just felt natural to me, to the point that I am not so sure it is so much different from other cans that it should be vilified.
At this point, in the order of least good to best I have iCans, HFI700DVD, Proline 2500, HFI780, and Edition 9 but I like them all (iCans took 350 hours of burn-in before I found them acceptable).
I don't see what the big deal is about S-logic, because to me that adds to the experience, not takes away from it. And, I'm not an Ultrasone fanboy just because I have 5 headphones from Ultrasone - I have 7 STAX and 5 Grados too. Seems to me that if someone like me can enjoy both kinds of headphones (s-logic and not) then it means that anyone could enjoy them if they give them a chance.
Anyway, the first used head-fi cans I bought were the Ultrasone HFI700DVD that Florian owned and gave away (signed) at a meet in 2006. I was awed by them. They were well burned in, having passed among at least 4 head-fi'ers, and I loved them. I never had a problem adjusting to S-logic. It just felt natural to me, to the point that I am not so sure it is so much different from other cans that it should be vilified.
At this point, in the order of least good to best I have iCans, HFI700DVD, Proline 2500, HFI780, and Edition 9 but I like them all (iCans took 350 hours of burn-in before I found them acceptable).
I don't see what the big deal is about S-logic, because to me that adds to the experience, not takes away from it. And, I'm not an Ultrasone fanboy just because I have 5 headphones from Ultrasone - I have 7 STAX and 5 Grados too. Seems to me that if someone like me can enjoy both kinds of headphones (s-logic and not) then it means that anyone could enjoy them if they give them a chance.
jamato8
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Your a Fan boy!! Fan boy!!
I'm a fan boy of what sounds good. nothing wrong with that.
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Waiting for my Edition 9's to come in.
Look at that extravagant signature!
I'm a fan boy of what sounds good. nothing wrong with that.
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Waiting for my Edition 9's to come in.
Look at that extravagant signature!
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No wonder, as there is nothing in so called S-Logic that does not exist in other phones. Off center driver placement is not something revolutionary new and is not different from just wearing phones moved a bit forward. Based on recommendations on Meier Audio site, I've been wearing most my phones like that, the problem with Prolines is that in that position they do not sound right, moving them back somewhat alleviates that weirdness, but still does not help with metallic, painful highs, edginess, and hollow midrange, things I could not live with.
Denon D2000/5000 with centered drivers placement as well as ATH with angled ones, both make much more spacious and natural, "speaker like" sound field that does not require 1000 hours of drivers and mental burn-in to make it tolerable.
| Originally Posted by jamato8 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I go back and forth between different headphones and while I do hear the great imaging and soundfield of the Ultrasones I have I have "never" understood the problems some people have with the S logic. I don't hear anything weird or unnatural, just a different presentation that took zero time to adjust to. I almost wish I could hear what some experience in finding the sound so different. The only thing I find very different is the ability to throw a nice soundstage but it doesn't mess with my head or hearing. I enjoy my HD650's also but I find the Proline 750's image much better with a cleaner outline to instrument or performer. |
No wonder, as there is nothing in so called S-Logic that does not exist in other phones. Off center driver placement is not something revolutionary new and is not different from just wearing phones moved a bit forward. Based on recommendations on Meier Audio site, I've been wearing most my phones like that, the problem with Prolines is that in that position they do not sound right, moving them back somewhat alleviates that weirdness, but still does not help with metallic, painful highs, edginess, and hollow midrange, things I could not live with.
Denon D2000/5000 with centered drivers placement as well as ATH with angled ones, both make much more spacious and natural, "speaker like" sound field that does not require 1000 hours of drivers and mental burn-in to make it tolerable.
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So I guess you don't find the Ultrasones to your liking?
| Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT /img/forum/go_quote.gif No wonder, as there is nothing in so called S-Logic that does not exist in other phones. Off center driver placement is not something revolutionary new and is not different from just wearing phones moved a bit forward. Based on recommendations on Meier Audio site, I've been wearing most my phones like that, the problem with Prolines is that in that position they do not sound right, moving them back somewhat alleviates that weirdness, but still does not help with metallic, painful highs, edginess, and hollow midrange, things I could not live with. Denon D2000/5000 with centered drivers placement as well as ATH with angled ones, both make much more spacious and natural, "speaker like" sound field that does not require 1000 hours of drivers and mental burn-in to make it tolerable. |
So I guess you don't find the Ultrasones to your liking?
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